Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ercarp]

A new class called the "Envoker". Ranged DPS spec, and a healing spec. I just know the healing spec uses healing flames ala Red Dragons.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the new class is a misspelling of both Evoker and Invoker.

[horizon nowhere]

Which leak would you all LIKE to be true (even if it 100% isn't)?

Personally I liked the EoA leak the most.

[ercarp]

Which leak would you all LIKE to be true (even if it 100% isn't)?

I think most of the written leaks this year have been pretty subpar, so I guess none of them.

[Syegfryed]

Which leak would you all LIKE to be true (even if it 100% isn't)?

Anything that include a draconic class and a humanoid race, and anything that exclude elves

[Wangming]

I think it's also important for every team leader to enter the acquisition from MS with a success. While devs and writers are probably safe on the medium term, leaders are at best safe on the short term and they need the better negotiating position to not get the chop.

Also yes. I mean I don't want to put all the blame on him, but the first expansion where Ion had full control and no hand holding from the old guard was BfA. He doesn't have a very good track record. As raid designer? Yes. As director? Nope.

[Tiradon]

Would be really nice if we had thread marks to know what it's going on. Been off all weekend due to easter, any new 'leaks' or 'rumours' going?

[Wangming]

See this is the issue. Races are not people. They are entire races. It started in Wrath but got worse ever since; specific characters are meant to be the hooks for entire races, even when several of their storylines are entirely personal. Nothing Liadrin does in Legion has to do with the blood elves. The actual Blood Elf lore in Legion is for the fire mage artifact. Not even Thas'dorah since that scenario is focused on the Legion itself and Alleria to an extent. We do not explore the history of the Doomhammer to retrieve it, we don't even go to Outland; it's all in Deepholme. Tuure is strongly linked to Draenei history but we don't find out it was left in Karabor and try and find it in the Black Temple with Akama; we find it in the same spaceship used for 2-3 other artifacts. I could go on for several of your examples.

So the fact that you are making these parallels is problematic.

Yeah I get that. But it is the best we can hope for. Whenever there is focus on a race as a whole it is inevitably something tragic like the loss of a leader or a homeland.

Which leak would you all LIKE to be true (even if it 100% isn't)?

My own.

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Oh yeah, I'm sure the new class is a misspelling of both Evoker and Invoker.

And Endwalker.

[ercarp]

Would be really nice if we had thread marks to know what it's going on. Been off all weekend due to easter, any new 'leaks' or 'rumours' going?

Nothing major. Scaleface dropped by to say a couple more things over the weekend, but you may have been here for it.

[Das Thora]

Shadowbringers (announced 2018, released 2019)
Shadowlands (announced 2019, released 2020)

Endwalker (announced early 2021, released 2021)
Eternity's End (announced late 2021, released 2022)

End of Dragons (announced 2020, released 2022)
Dragonflight (announced 2022...)

Blizzard you did it again

[Teriz]

I believe if we’re getting a new class next expansion, it’ll be one of these classes;

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...pt-2018-(long)

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-Concept-2022

WoW expansion classes are always directly based on lore characters, and pull abilities directly from those characters. Blizzard has also always given players the ability to play those characters in their other WC-related games before bringing them into WoW.

I don’t see this situation as being anything different.

[KayRule]

I believe if we’re getting a new class next expansion, it’ll be one of these classes;

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...pt-2018-(long)

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...s-Concept-2022

WoW expansion classes are always directly based on lore characters, and pull abilities directly from those characters. Blizzard has also always given players the ability to play those characters in their other WC-related games before bringing them into WoW.

I don’t see this situation as being anything different.

Well hopefully they finally break that mold and give us something cool and good and not restrict themselves to bizarre rules and restrictions the fanbase has concocted.

[Wangming]

Shadowbringers (announced 2018, released 2019)
Shadowlands (announced 2019, released 2020)

Endwalker (announced early 2021, released 2021)
Eternity's End (announced late 2021, released 2022)

End of Dragons (announced 2020, released 2022)
Dragonflight (announced 2022...)

Blizzard you did it again

Kinda suspicious. Granted they can't make an expansion in a few months so some of it is coincidental. But I do expect a few more Endwalker ripoffs during 10.0

[Teriz]

Well hopefully they finally break that mold and give us something cool and good and not restrict themselves to bizarre rules and restrictions the fanbase has concocted.

You really think an Arcane mage clone is cooler than a class that allows you to be like Alexstraza or Wrathion?

[KainneAbsolute]

My theory is all the mmo companies spy on each other.

[ercarp]

I don't mind if Blizzard takes a few notes from FFXIV as long as they don't bring in their infinitely long cutscenes that suck away both your time and your soul.

[Wangming]

Well hopefully they finally break that mold and give us something cool and good and not restrict themselves to bizarre rules and restrictions the fanbase has concocted.

Like how all the FFXIV jobs were previously used in the series....before Reaper. and Gunbreaker being a borderline example.

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I don't mind if Blizzard takes a few notes from FFXIV as long as they don't bring in their infinitely long cutscenes that suck away both your time and your soul.

Hey, at least they warn you it will be long so you know when to prepare a relaxing supper to go along with the cutscenes.

[Syegfryed]

Kinda suspicious. Granted they can't make an expansion in a few months so some of it is coincidental. But I do expect a few more Endwalker ripoffs during 10.0

Suspicious is a way to say I remember the cinematic of Anduin being a literal rip-off from a Final fantasy cinematic

Blizzard always follow trends and change then if they see fit, like making Zandalar basically wakanda because the success of black panther. If dragons is the popular thing in the moment they will milk that

[horizon nowhere]

You really think an Arcane mage clone is cooler than a class that allows you to be like Alexstraza or Wrathion?

Arcane mage is already lame tbh, hopefully we don't get a clone.

[Das Thora]

I don't mind if Blizzard takes a few notes from FFXIV as long as they don't bring in their infinitely long cutscenes that suck away both your time and your soul.

I know this is probably blasphemy but I wouldn't mind XIV's cutscenes if their cutscenes always were cutscenes because they NEEDED to be cutscenes, not just because they felt like they needed to do a cutscene there. That being said I don't really trust Blizzard's writing to do it justice either if I didn't really get into Square's attempt at it (don't get me wrong, I like the story of some of the single player Final Fantasy games). Personally I'd prefer WoW to move away from big storytelling since Blizzard seems to think the only good storytelling is 'follow around [LORE CHARACTER] to see what they feel about everything' instead of telling stories about the world, cultures, civilizations, etc-- hell, even just ORDINARY people who aren't the High King or Archmages.

[Wangming]

My theory is all the mmo companies spy on each other.

So we should ask Yoshi-P for a leak? If 10.0 is a bigger more expanded 6.1, we are in for a treat.