Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[FossilFree]

Evokers probably have a blue dragon spec and that is the spec that is causing arcane mages to be revamped. I'm sure they are taking some key aspect from arcane to make it, otherwise arcane wouldn't need a revamp. It's probably evocation and mana management if I had to guess. Mages will become a class that doesn't manage mana anymore (using procs like fire and frost), with evokers being the mana focused class.

While blue will likely be direct damage, they could also have a red dragon healing spec and a green dragon poison dps dot spec. Arcane mages could be the ones to get a few bronze spells worked in during their revamp, since I'm betting the time magic stuff remains with mages (like I don't see time warp going to evokers).

I'm sure it will be all new stuff though. Demon hunters the class are nothing like metamorphosis locks OR the glyph of demon hunting warlocks had.

[Das Thora]

But Dragonsworn does not?

A dragonsworn tells you roughly what its theme is in the name (which is a theme that's boring to me, but that's beside the point). An evoker just sounds like Mage 2.

[Wangming]

A dragonsworn tells you roughly what its theme is in the name (which is a theme that's boring to me, but that's beside the point). An evoker just sounds like Mage 2.

But it is both boring and cheesy.

[Fartlas]

Yes, but that's a thing. Heavensward was released in 2015. They had ample time to rip it off and replace all the emotional weight with rule of cool nonsense.

But as much as I like to laugh at the similarities between the basic premise of Shadowbringers and Shadowlands, they had far less time to copy it. Unless they really do have spies.

Simple reason for the similarities is because Yoshi-P has time and time again said that WoW has served as a huge inspiration for his rework of XIV, he was a big WoW nerd himself.

[Hitei]

I guess i will laugh then and return to playing a game i have fun with.

So much fun you spend your time whining on another game's forum, eh?

[Das Thora]

But it is both boring and cheesy.

And a death knight doesn't sound cheesy?

[Syegfryed]

This is another 'leak' from reddit I haven't seen posted here. u/BlizzconMurloc

This is, by far, the most stupid leak we had, and yet, prob the most possible to be true, which speak volumes about the devs.

It made em remember that leak that said kalegos and Khadgar were the same person

[horizon nowhere]

Dragonsworn has firm roots in Warcraft lore and it sounds cool and makes sense as a name for a dragon-themed class (unlike Evoker, which is too vague).

Either way I see it as an opportunity for the team to bring in new lore. Maybe that means expanding on or a retcon of the speculated dragonsworn currently in game.

[Scaleface]

Yeah I totally agree. Maybe scaleface was exaggerating when he said that his first thought was we already have mages. That could just mean the new class has a cool ranged spellcasting spec/s.

That was my idea when i read a name of spec "Evoker" and thought wtf because as I playe mage sometimes first reaction was like I said And hints about mage spell was exactly evocation.

[Syegfryed]

Dragonsworn has firm roots in Warcraft lore and it sounds cool and makes sense as a name for a dragon-themed class (unlike Evoker, which is too vague).

they would also not miss the opportunity to make a class starting with D again

[Chickat]

Making my final point and prediction on this now, so there'll be no need for the classic "I told you so" post after the announcement.

The Vrykul and Odyn will have a very large focus in the next expansion. A dungeon and a raid at the very least. A presence in several zones, Ruby for sure, most likely Black and Blue, as well as the Titan facility predicted to be on the Dragon Isles. I could also see a huge Norse/Vrykul/Draconic city in the mountains as our Suramar style city/endgame area.

Main villains of the expansion will be Murozond, Odyn, some sort of Vrykul King and Chromatus. Xal'atath in a minor yet notable role, as a hook for the future. Azshara showing up om 50/50 on - I don't see her as a boss of a dungeon or raid regardless of if she shows up. She strikes me as more of a reoccurring character these days - an uneasy ally as she consolidates power for the future. Maybe she could be the hook into a pre-sundering Kalimdir expansion with Murozond being the final boss of Dragonflight.

Galakrond is giving me either world boss or penultimate boss of a raid vibe. I don't see him as the big bad at all.

Drakonid race, links to the Vrykul.

Dragonsworn class, mail armour with specs Spellblade(MDPS), Invoker/Evoker(RDPS), Chronomancer(Healer).

Loreth'Aran as our capital city in the Green zone.

Timewalking as a permanent and expanded feature.

The evolution of Mage Tower, Visions, Torghast as a Bronze Dragonflight/Timewalking style boss feature of classic WoW bosses with extra abilities.

Class Skins.

These are my final predictions.

No tank spec?

[ercarp]

To debunk Evokers, all you need to do is look at all the currently existing classes and see if their class name correlates with their class fantasy in a way that makes sense.

Warrior: Plate-wearing melee that hits things angrily. Checks out.
Rogue: Stealthy, roguish fella that hides in the shadows and stabs people. Checks out.
Priest: Wears white robes and heals people using holy magic. Checks out.
Warlock: Practices "witchcraft" and consorts with demons. Checks out.
Paladin: A holy knight. Checks out.
Mage: Casts spells and does other wizardly things. Checks out.
Hunter: Has a bow and a pet, tames and tracks beasts. Checks out.
Druid: Practices druidism, closely connected to nature. Checks out.
Death Knight: A knight that is dead and uses death magic. Checks out.
Demon Hunter: Hunts demons and also is a demon themselves. Checks out.
Shaman: Closely connected to the spirits and elements. Checks out.
Monk: Hangs out in monasteries and practices meditation. Checks out.

And now compare all of the above to Evoker.

Evoker: ?????????????? dragons??????????? Does NOT check out.

What the class is should be immediately clear from just reading the name. The fact that everyone's here speculating about what Evoker should be is already a clear sign that it's complete bullshit.

[Chickat]

It sounds cool but I wouldn't like it personally. I already get annoyed just switching between Cat and Night Elf when I'm playing a Resto Druid. I was never a fan of the hectic form swapping you have to do to play "optimally", and it's also why Druid will always be my least favorite class to play.

You should play a tbc feral druid. Cancel form macro every 5 seconds.

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I think 5 specs is too many personally. I would combine them into just 3:

Black = Tank
Green & Red = Healer
Blue & Bronze = DPS

The problem is, Green feels thematically very similar to Restoration Druids and Blue is basically just Frost/Arcane Mages.

Bronze, Red, and Black are the dragonflights with the most potential for unique abilities. Incidentally these are also the ones they based Heroes on in HotS (with Chromie, Alexstrasza, and Deathwing), but that's besides the point.

IM a fan of 4 specs. 5 is too many and unnecessary IMO.

Black-tank
Red-healer
Blue-MDPS
Green-RDPS
Bronze weaved in through most specs. I think a Green dps caster would be fun. We don't have anything like that anymore.

[Raxacorico]

You're right, it should've been named Invoker as in invoking the powers of dragonflights

[Nymrohd]

11.) Jeremy Feasel tells us everything about world questing and why we will have to send all those gnomes into the fire, mainly in already existing regions with new phases. And existing assets.

I'd like to know more about how I can assist in the gnome holocaust.

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Dragonsworn has firm roots in Warcraft lore and it sounds cool and makes sense as a name for a dragon-themed class (unlike Evoker, which is too vague).

Though to be fair, Dragonsworn in warcraft lore mostly have some blessing from their dragonflight and largely keep their own powers, e.g. the Bronze Dragonsworn Watchers gain immortality. Jorad still fought as a paladin (well fallen paladin until he found the Light).

[FossilFree]

I also think dragonsworn will be the name of the covenant system in Dragonflight. That's probably why they went with a different name for the class. The "sworn" part of dragonsworn fits right in with swearing your allegiance to a dragonflight.

[Teriz]

To debunk Evokers, all you need to do is look at all the currently existing classes and see if their class name correlates with their class fantasy in a way that makes sense.

Warrior: Plate-wearing melee that hits things angrily. Checks out.
Rogue: Stealthy, roguish fella that hides in the shadows and stabs people. Checks out.
Priest: Wears white robes and heals people using holy magic. Checks out.
Warlock: Practices "witchcraft" and consorts with demons. Checks out.
Paladin: A holy knight. Checks out.
Mage: Casts spells and does other wizardly things. Checks out.
Hunter: Has a bow and a pet, tames and tracks beasts. Checks out.
Druid: Practices druidism, closely connected to nature. Checks out.
Death Knight: A knight that is dead and uses death magic. Checks out.
Demon Hunter: Hunts demons and also is a demon themselves. Checks out.
Shaman: Closely connected to the spirits and elements. Checks out.
Monk: Hangs out in monasteries and practices meditation. Checks out.

And now compare all of the above to Evoker.

Evoker: ?????????????? dragons??????????? Does NOT check out.

What the class is should be immediately clear from just reading the name. The fact that everyone's here speculating about what Evoker should be is already a clear sign that it's complete bullshit.

This is correct. Which is also why Blizzard utilizes their major lore figures as examples of any new class. If I tell you that the new class will be based on Illidan from WC3 and HotS, you can easily play WC3 pr HotS to get a feel for the general concept of the upcoming class. And that builds hype. The same applies to future classes based on Gazlowe or Alexstraza. If Blizzzrd announced an Alexstraza-styled dragon class players could get a preview (of sorts) by playing HotS Alexstraza. Once again, that generates hype.

In addition, major characters like Alexstraza and Gazlowe have established fan bases.

Evoker has none of those benefits.

[Hitei]

Well, part of my fun here on the forums is to watch Blizzard trying without being successfull. And to react to it. You may not like that, but here we are. Believe me, if they ever should become reasonable again, i would stop laughing. I really would like to watch a great lore on youtube. Instead of dying robots and redone "Return of the king"-moments.

It is all up to blizzard to design a game for their players.

Ah, yes. The always very believable "it's just a goof".

[Nymrohd]

Suspicious is a way to say I remember the cinematic of Anduin being a literal rip-off from a Final fantasy cinematic

Eh, I can find that exact same scene all over fantasy fiction decades before Final Fantasy. There is nothing particularly original about it.

[Das Thora]

This is correct. Which is also why Blizzard utilizes their major lore figures as examples of any new class. If I tell you that the new class will be based on Illidan from WC3 and HotS, you can easily play WC3 pr HotS to get a feel for the general concept of the upcoming class. And that builds hype. The same applies to future classes based on Gazlowe or Alexstraza. If Blizzzrd announced an Alexstraza-styled dragon class players could get a preview (of sorts) by playing HotS Alexstraza. Once again, that generates hype.

Evoker has none of those benefits.

Even an Alexstrasza class doesn't seem right to me. if we're going off of classes being in part based on lore characters, which imo is a good point I hadn't considered much before, I don't really see Alexstrasza having a unique, iconic set. Monks/Brewmasters/Chen prove they don't need to be POPULAR but his was VERY unique compared to anything we had currently.