Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Super Dickmann]

Quick, tell me one prominent Evoker character in Warcraft. If you do, I will immediately admit defeat and shill for Tinker 11.0.

I'll make it easier and axe the prominent part, it can be a quest mob from 10 years ago.

Actually, cut even that, just the use of the term in connection to dragons will do.

[Nymrohd]

The fact that most people dislike Evokers makes this new class more likely to happen, IMO.

Most people out of the 30-40 people active in this thread. We have no idea what the reception will be, especially if the presentation is suitably cool.

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Quick, tell me one prominent Evoker character in Warcraft. If you do, I will immediately admit defeat and shill for Tinker 11.0.

I'll make it easier and axe the prominent part, it can be a quest mob from 10 years ago.

Actually, cut even that, just the use of the term in connection to dragons will do.

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...hanics/invoke/

I still don't think it's likely at all but this might be the inspiration.

Damn the League of EVIL would be such a better villain than Zovaal . . .

[Hitei]

Quick, tell me one prominent Evoker character in Warcraft. If you do, I will immediately admit defeat and shill for Tinker 11.0.

I'll make it easier and axe the prominent part, it can be a quest mob from 10 years ago.

Actually, cut even that, just the use of the term in connection to dragons will do.

The caster Hellfire orcs along the path of glory in Outland are Evokers.

[KayRule]

The patrolling mobs in OG Deadmine which were the largest source of Dungeon wipes until TBC were Defias Evokers

[Vakir]

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...hanics/invoke/

See, this, this makes way more sense than EVOKER. It might be a language barrier for Scaleface.

Still a bad name, but a more sensible bad name.

Invoker honestly makes me also think of the mechanics behind the Revenant in GW2 (i.e. channeling spirits and thus abilities of past lore characters) which feels like a thing they'd crib, just with derginz.

Adding fuel to the fire, the Evokers listed as past NPCs are all normal fucking casters doing Mage stuff.

[Scaleface]

See, this, this makes way more sense than EVOKER. It might be a language barrier for Scaleface.

Still a bad name, but a more sensible bad name.

Invoker honestly makes me also think of the mechanics behind the Revenant in GW2 (i.e. channeling spirits and thus abilities of past lore characters) which feels like a thing they'd crib, just with derginz.

Adding fuel to the fire, the Evokers listed as past NPCs are all normal fucking casters doing Mage stuff.

Its not barier, its in files.. later today i Will post some artwork and riddle about other game... Now im out for a while.

[Nymrohd]

See, this, this makes way more sense than EVOKER. It might be a language barrier for Scaleface.

Still a bad name, but a more sensible bad name.

Invoker honestly makes me also think of the mechanics behind the Revenant in GW2 (i.e. channeling spirits and thus abilities of past lore characters) which feels like a thing they'd crib, just with derginz.

Adding fuel to the fire, the Evokers listed as past NPCs are all normal fucking casters doing Mage stuff.

Just make it a two word class name. Dragon Invoker or Draconic Invoker and now it makes perfect sense.

[KayRule]

or just keep it as Evoker and it still makes sense because you're evoking the power of the aspects and don't have to be a dragon to do it.

[Vakir]

Its not barier, its in files.. later today i Will post some artwork and riddle about other game... Now im out for a while.

Lots of prospective classes that went absolutely nowhere are in the files, as Mar observed. It means nothing.

The fact that you're so assured based on barriers just tells me you're working backwards - making guesses and assumptions of class identification based on looking in the name restrictions.

Instead of being cute, explain the class.

or just keep it as Evoker and it still makes sense because you're evoking the power of the aspects and don't have to be a dragon to do it.

Still possible, just a trash name.

[Nymrohd]

or just keep it as Evoker and it still makes sense because you're evoking the power of the aspects and don't have to be a dragon to do it.

I mean, that's a very poor use of the word. Evoke as a verb isn't something particularly active, it pretty much means "bring to mind".

[Hitei]

So what do you think it is? Yes, i make fun of blizzard. They deserve it. I also criticize them. And give ideas how to make it better. They deserve it as well. Do i know better than them how to design WoW? I think any other game designer would know better how to design WoW than the guys who are in charge currently.

An extremely unhealthy inability to let go.

[Teriz]

Except a few points

1.) You said Tinker was 100% the next class because every class comes from WC3, that didnt seem to happen so:
2.) You bounced to No I meant HOTS! Not WC3! So its a dragon class!
3.) You said Demon Hunter was never ever going to happen

So I wont take your word for it for now.

You don't have to believe anything I've said in this thread. However, Demon Hunters were also from WC3, just like Tinkers. In addition, Blizzard didn't begin to actively utilize HotS abilities in WoW until Legion, so up to that point, HotS was not considered a legitimate source of canon material for WoW. The reason I've moved HotS into a canon source for classes is because they used HotS for the Demon Hunter class in Legion, and they've used HotS abilities in multiple classes and WoW NPCs since that time.

So yes, the calculus has changed in the last seven years.

[Buliwyf the Omen]

An extremely unhealthy inability to let go.

Most folks played this game for almost two decades, cant blame them for being angry at Blizzard for ruining something that was amazing before and is super easy to fix.

Also, watch Scaleface just troll the entire forum because he had a lucky guess back in Legion.

[ercarp]

I just figured something out...

EVOKER
TINKER

EVO + TIN + KER = ET INVOKER

The new race is an extraterrestrial invoker, a.k.a Ethereals. Checkmate.

[Das Thora]

So since there's people who think a world revamp or partial revamp would come in Dragonflight... What dragony related things could be happening in Lordaeron, Quel'thalas, Elwynn, Ashenvale, Barrens, etc?

[Soulwind]

super easy to fix

Now, I don't use the term "armchair developer" often, but...

So since there's people who think a world revamp or partial revamp would come in Dragonflight... What dragony related things could be happening in Lordaeron, Quel'thalas, Elwynn, Ashenvale, Barrens, etc?

If the theme is healing the world, any zone could feature some of that.

[Hitei]

Most folks played this game for almost two decades, cant blame them for being angry at Blizzard for ruining something that was amazing before and is super easy to fix.

Most folks get bored, stop playing, and get on with their lives, not obsess over trying to "fix" a video game they don't like anymore in some weird, desperate bid to recapture a feeling they had when playing that game years ago.

Also, watch Scaleface just troll the entire forum because he had a lucky guess back in Legion.

If nothing else, I can respect his commitment to the bit. Most people drop a """leak""" on a burner account, post a few times for 30 minutes and maybe show up once more, he's all in.

[ercarp]

So since there's people who think a world revamp or partial revamp would come in Dragonflight... What dragony related things could be happening in Lordaeron, Quel'thalas, Elwynn, Ashenvale, Barrens, etc?

Hopefully nothing:

It was exciting to see the old zones in a new light but I feel like the novelty of it wore off pretty quickly and we were left with a destroyed Azeroth that was permanently on fire in many places...

They also messed up big time by making every zone connected to Deathwing or the Twilight Cultists in some way. If they had designed each zone with self-contained storylines in mind instead of "OMG DEATHWING!", they wouldn't feel as dated as they do now.

So when/if they do another revamp of the old zones, that's what I want to see. Self-contained storylines that don't constantly make references to the current expansion.

[Scaleface]

Lots of prospective classes that went absolutely nowhere are in the files, as Mar observed. It means nothing.

The fact that you're so assured based on barriers just tells me you're working backwards - making guesses and assumptions of class identification based on looking in the name restrictions.

Instead of being cute, explain the class.



Still possible, just a trash name.

There is no info how it works, Just that pure text about few things like race Name, class Name, ui and talents. Its a preview pack, no Press pack yet available.

As for a race, Yes it have a tail. Wings model is similiar to netherdrakes with a bit transparency. Also dragon form dont look on screens as it have weapon model showed, there is "Just" a dragon form which look like channeling something. "human" form wearing armor similiar to mail armor.

With talents i can write that it looks like we will have finally posibility to Save talent setup. There is something like around 40 points to left side and maybe 30 or something like that to right one which is probably to spec and left to class but its based on what i remember since last monday. Simply looks like its close to wotlk talent trees mixed up into 2 instead of 3 columns.

There is alexa with one ugly guy

[Nymrohd]

So since there's people who think a world revamp or partial revamp would come in Dragonflight... What dragony related things could be happening in Lordaeron, Quel'thalas, Elwynn, Ashenvale, Barrens, etc?

I think most of the World Revamp team expressly hopes that a world revamp would NOT have anything to do with the current expac and would mostly be about world building and self contained storylines. If you tie it to the xpac at hand, it stops making sense as soon as you get out of it. Plus I think there is a consensus in the community that we'd rather see something about restoration and construction instead of more destruction like Cataclysm did.

Still the traditional dragon zones should have draconic questlines. Winterspring for Blues, Tanaris for Bronze, Wetlands/Twilight Highlands for Reds, Blackrock for Blacks and Swamp of Sorrows plus Feralas/Ashenvale and maybe Hinterlands/Darkshore for Greens.