Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Soulwind]

They come with backpack-whelps as part of their class aesthetic, and the whelp can take a mortal form you choose for some minor useful things like personal transmog access.

Better, but I'm going to need some details on the "whelp" thing. For legal reasons.

[Super Dickmann]

They should really focus on fixing the classes we have instead of throwing another one on the pile tbh

This is the only correct opinion. Other opinions need not apply.

[ercarp]

They should really focus on fixing the classes we have instead of throwing another one on the pile tbh

Both a new class and fixing the current classes is a completely viable option too. No need to settle for one or the other.

[Buliwyf the Omen]

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Yep, the biggest MMORPG from one of the biggest gaming companies, they surely cannot do both.

This would be plausible if they were a indie studio with limited resources. Blizzard with its millions of millions is far from that.

[Teriz]

This is the only correct opinion. Other opinions need not apply.

If you want to slowly kill the game, sure.

[Makabreska]

People acting like a class makes or breaks expansion (well, one guy acting has a specific and known class fetish). Would a new class save SL with all issues it had?

[Teriz]

People acting like a class makes or breaks expansion (well, one guy acting has a specific and known class fetish). Would a new class save SL with all issues it had?

Is it a coincidence that every expansion that has released a new class is considered top tier among WoW expansions?

Nah.

[Makabreska]

Yep, the biggest MMORPG from one of the biggest gaming companies, they surely cannot do both.

This would be plausible if they were a indie studio with limited resources. Blizzard with its millions of millions is far from that.

And again, Blizz having millions of millions does not mean WoW has. Each game has limited budget and limited dev time.

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Is it a coincidence that every expansion that has released a new class is considered the top tier of WoW expansions?

Nah.

I am not even gonna engage your fetishized class ravings. Just don't star flipping shit tomorrow pls if we don't get any.

[Kiivar86]

50 some pages in a day that I was away. Anything new?

[Soulwind]

People acting like a class makes or breaks expansion (well, one guy acting has a specific and known class fetish). Would a new class save SL with all issues it had?

It doesn't make or break anything, but it's a permanent addition to the game, and a new(ish) way to play it. Its gameplay effect is much deeper than any expansion-specific system. So it's understandably something that people can get excited about. If Dragonsworn or whatever is announced, it doesn't matter if Dragonflight is shit, the next expansion could be good, and you could still play a Dragonsworn and enjoy that.

[Teriz]

I am not even gonna engage your fetishized class ravings. Just don't star flipping shit tomorrow pls if we don't get any.

If there's no new class in 10.0, I'll simply be disappointed and hold off pre-ordering the next expansion.

I doubt I'm alone in that. Customizations and new covenants aren't going to carry an expansion, just like it didn't in Shadowlands and BFA.

If they can't devote enough resources to a new class, they sure as hell can't devote enough resources to make good quality expansion. So yeah, I'll pass. Don't need another bfa/sl

Exactly... it would be sheer laziness and greed, pure and simple.

[Makabreska]

It doesn't make or break anything, but it's a permanent addition to the game, and a new(ish) way to play it. It's gameplay effect is much deeper than any expansion-specific system. So it's understandably something that people can get excited about. If Dragonsworn or whatever is announced, it doesn't matter if Dragonflight is shit, the next expansion could be good, and you could still play a Dragonsworn and enjoy that.

Sure, but we have people here who claim that not implementing any in 10.0 kills the game.

[Raxacorico]

I am not even gonna engage your fetishized class ravings. Just don't star flipping shit tomorrow pls if we don't get any.

If they can't devote enough resources to a new class, they sure as hell can't devote enough resources to make good quality expansion. So yeah, I'll pass. Don't need another bfa/sl

[Lady Atia]

People acting like a class makes or breaks expansion (well, one guy acting has a specific and known class fetish). Would a new class save SL with all issues it had?

Yes, because a class is a box feature that stays forever. Shadowlands' features are a one and done thing, and that feels just bad because you start the expansion knowing that you will have "systems" that will be abandoned as soon as 10.0 prepatch hits. That's why having new races, classes or stuff like pet battles is a huge win - it's evergreen stuff that stays forever and will be supported forever. Not like covenants which are glorified reputations with bad implementation (at the start).

[keygy]

"fix the classes before adding others" that's one of the most meme arguments that we have in the wow from the beginning, having a new class is not gonna do that your class is worst, people need to start to think a little;

Is like the argument of "blizzard need to get less mount in the shop and fix the game" like you are stupid? the people working at blizzard have different sections and works for differents things in the game, the people that create mounts for the shop, is not the same people that balance the classes, and the people that make new classes is not the same that design zones like korthia or zereth mortis.

This is one of the things that happen each expansion and is really sad, that people dont know how works this after so many years, World of warcraft have a lot of devs that are distribuited in multiples sections, we need to stop using stupid arguments like the class thing.

[Syegfryed]

If we dont get a new class, what are they doing all these months? What's the big feature that gets you to buy the Expansion then?

TBC had Blood Elves & Draenei.

WotLK had DK's and the Story around Lich King luring a lot of people in.

Cata had Goblins & Worgen.

MoP had Pandaren & Monks.

WoD had nothing.

Legion had Demon Hunters & Illidan as a big posterboy to get you back.

BfA had pretty much nothing imo, Allied Races are a failure with its low customizations and no effort rig stealing.

Shadowlands is the pinnacle of nothing however.

So what will 10.0 offer, feature wise, thats the major selling point? 4 new zones and a Raid?

Wod had the update models, and shadowlands was the ''big'' customization revamp that was supposed to be something they would implement the entire expansion, but alas.

I don't think blizz will get away with trying to sell the same shit like "more race customization", so it will either be a class or class skin

[AngerFork]

If we dont get a new class, what are they doing all these months? What's the big feature that gets you to buy the Expansion then?

TBC had Blood Elves & Draenei.

WotLK had DK's and the Story around Lich King luring a lot of people in.

Cata had Goblins & Worgen.

MoP had Pandaren & Monks.

WoD had nothing.

Legion had Demon Hunters & Illidan as a big posterboy to get you back.

BfA had pretty much nothing imo, Allied Races are a failure with its low customizations and no effort rig stealing.

Shadowlands is the pinnacle of nothing however.

So what will 10.0 offer, feature wise, thats the major selling point? 4 new zones and a Raid?

I'd argue this isn't quite a fair way to describe a few of these expansions. WoD updated every race model in the game, an extremely necessary task even if it wasn't something new to unbox. I'd hardly call Allied Races a failure given how many people play some form of Allied Race today: https://wowanalytica.com/statistics/region/us Shadowlands had "customizations" which might've been nice had they not just seemingly quit on some races partway through. Still though, I agree that they need a box feature that brings real excitement & the feeling of opening up something new to play with, not just an enhancement to something we already have.

There's literally no excuse beyond greed and sheer laziness to not add a new class at this point. The team is larger, and they're still taking in tons of money. If smaller companies can pump out new classes, Blizzard can too.

What's funny about that to me is that greed would honestly favor adding in a new class rather than not. It's a box feature much like races are, something that will generate excitement & get people interested in trying out the new thing. I'd argue they'll almost certainly see more pre-orders with a new class as part of the feature set than without.

[horizon nowhere]

Uh-oh new class deniers

[Das Thora]

we might not even get a class, I really hope we do though

I could 100% see us not getting a race since
A) We have an EverQuest amount already.
B) Shadowlands added a bunch of customizations.

Meanwhile a class or specs or class skins are all very needed.

[Lady Atia]

Yes, because a class is a box feature that stays forever. Shadowlands' features are a one and done thing, and that feels just bad because you start the expansion knowing that you will have "systems" that will be abandoned as soon as 10.0 prepatch hits. That's why having new races, classes or stuff like pet battles is a huge win - it's evergreen stuff that stays forever and will be supported forever. Not like covenants which are glorified reputations with bad implementation (at the start).

Oh and also, that's why Legion's borrowed power was the best iteration of that system - because when they announced it no one knew that they would abandon artifact weapons going forward so you could get all hyped by it. When Shadowlands got announced we already knew that both Torghast and Covenants will be an one and done thing, which again, just feels bad to begin with.