Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Dracullus]

Why would the Sepulcher be in the Life realm and not somewhere in the Shadowlands? If it is in the Shadowlands then there would be zero reason for Elune to be there.

5 Covenant leaders have key to that realm, obviously it's connected to SL. Btw, do we know if Arbiter even existed before Zovaal's fall? Maybe he was supposed to be Judge, but after he went mad others took his sigil and made Arbiter construct from it?

[Raetary]

Btw, do we know if Arbiter even existed before Zovaal's fall?

The fact that she disappears when Zovaal takes the orb and he calls it "his" suggest that no, she did not exist before his imprisonment.

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Well return of Medivh would be cool.
Maybe if We don't seem in SL, he's alive?

He IS alive.
We and Khadgar interacted with him in Return to Karazhan, then he flew off into the TW.

[Revamp Man]

So according to watcher the time dilation only works one way in the shadowlands
But we are going to a place that is different from the ordinary shadowlands

I think we are seeing time skip in 10.0 if we don’t go back to Azeroth in 9.3
My reasoning is….devs lie
We were told hellscream would be a boss in WoD
We were told TF wouldn’t be removed
We were told that the “pantheon of death” wasn’t really a pantheon

I truly believe something we do in this expansion will be used to explain a time skip of 10 years

This gives time for the scarlet crusade to gain power and represent a threat
This gives the naga time to regroup
This gives the horde a chance to develop its new council
This gives the alliance with the new leader a chance to develop the possibility of the end of a monarchy
This gives Wrathion time to find the dragon isles

I’m ready to be done with this BS lord of death lead into the expansive universe garbage and get back to punching dragons in the face

[sador]

My take is we are deifinitely going to see more of the light in 10.0, and Zovaal will pratially succeed, and a time jump is probably gonna happen as well.
Also I think given the huge negativity with current lore, I feel that they'd want to wrap up some things and start from fresh in the next few years.
The dreadlord thread is also interesting, wonder what that will lead to.
But if we defeat Zovaal, it seems that 3 cosmic forces, death (without Zovaal), life, and order are "on our side", at least not trying to do some major invasions, or against us.

So what I could see
9.2 Zovaal fight, but he manages to start some restart process, it will take some time, slowly resetting the cosmos as we know it. It is revealed that to either stop it or maybe contact the first ones to help, we need all 6 cosmic forces to unite (or maybe similar to the current seals, take something key-like from each cosmic force).
10.0 We return to Azeorth for our Titan, and find that light invaded. We have to get back into power, and also make light see what's at stake etc, and they are either joining us or we just take something from them.
10.1 We visit the void lords for the first time, and same as before
10.2 Same with disorder, we find out what happend without Sargeras, and they either join or we take something.
10.3 Final battle for stopping reset, maybe Zovaal was not defeated, just stopped for a bit, and it's him we have to deal with, or something else. Anyway, we win and either some betrayal happens (dreadlord thing for example) and everything is remade to their ideas and with a hard reset like this 11.0 or wow 2 will jump into this world a bit later, or we just succeed, some temporary peace, and again, we'll start with a new char a bit later.

I could also see Medivh coming back for this one, he's off doing some more important cosmic stuff (right?), some cool character development for Sylvanas and Anduin.
I think it's possible, that in the end Anduin will just not be able to live with what he's done, and make some sacrifice to save Sylvanas, and Sylvanas will have to learn to finally live with her complete soul(?) and make amends.

[Ivarr]

I hope this The Light expansion comes with dark mode.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Still hoping we come back to an Azeroth that, in our absence, it is revealed N'Zoth's actual plan was for us to be out of the picture and an onslaught of the Void could occur. And because the champions (us) and major lore figures were away for so long, both factions had to resort to radical steps to combat the threat.


Turalyon goes full blown Dictator of the Light and transforms Stormwind into a beacon of RIGHTEOUS FIRE TO SMITE THE SHADOW... and the Horde just exists.

[Gaidax]

Still hoping we come back to an Azeroth that, in our absence, it is revealed N'Zoth's actual plan was for us to be out of the picture and an onslaught of the Void could occur. And because the champions (us) and major lore figures were away for so long, both factions had to resort to radical steps to combat the threat.


Turalyon goes full blown Dictator of the Light and transforms Stormwind into a beacon of RIGHTEOUS FIRE TO SMITE THE SHADOW... and the Horde just exists.

It's really time to put old gods into a box, lock it and lose a key.

IMO, that part of WoW as far as Azeroth itself is concerned is done. After all said and done, they are nothing more than lieutenant level bois. The next Void expansion we should be dancing with Ethereals and Void Lords on K'aresh.

[Ivarr]

Still hoping we come back to an Azeroth that, in our absence, it is revealed N'Zoth's actual plan was for us to be out of the picture and an onslaught of the Void could occur. And because the champions (us) and major lore figures were away for so long, both factions had to resort to radical steps to combat the threat.

Yes, faking their own death would be such an Old God thing to do.

[Fahrad Wagner]

So according to watcher the time dilation only works one way in the shadowlands
But we are going to a place that is different from the ordinary shadowlands

I think we are seeing time skip in 10.0 if we don’t go back to Azeroth in 9.3
My reasoning is….devs lie
We were told hellscream would be a boss in WoD
We were told TF wouldn’t be removed
We were told that the “pantheon of death” wasn’t really a pantheon

I truly believe something we do in this expansion will be used to explain a time skip of 10 years

This gives time for the scarlet crusade to gain power and represent a threat
This gives the naga time to regroup
This gives the horde a chance to develop its new council
This gives the alliance with the new leader a chance to develop the possibility of the end of a monarchy
This gives Wrathion time to find the dragon isles

I’m ready to be done with this BS lord of death lead into the expansive universe garbage and get back to punching dragons in the face

I agree, depending on how SL ends it would give the perfect window for a time skip. And they've been building up a lot of sub-plots which have lead nowhere at the moment over the past few years. Sure, they could all be leads to future expansions... but I like the idea that it might be amounting to something more. Zovaal having a Thanos moment would be neat.

Still hoping we come back to an Azeroth that, in our absence, it is revealed N'Zoth's actual plan was for us to be out of the picture and an onslaught of the Void could occur. And because the champions (us) and major lore figures were away for so long, both factions had to resort to radical steps to combat the threat.

Turalyon goes full blown Dictator of the Light and transforms Stormwind into a beacon of RIGHTEOUS FIRE TO SMITE THE SHADOW... and the Horde just exists.

Yes, faking their own death would be such an Old God thing to do.

I could definitely see this happen, but Blizzard being Blizzard, they will probably miss the mark on that one.

I just hope 10.0 is Azeroth related, and then ideally a revamp. The old world deserves some love, and I'm a bit tired of expansions which all fit into their own little suitcase, if I may say. But again, I'm preparing myself to be very disappointed with whatever is announced for 10.0, definitely not getting my hopes high after how Azshara AND N'Zoth were butchered last expansion.

We'll see I suppose...

[Nyel]

One's probably part of the last leg of the campaign, I imagine, wouldn't it?

Yeah. It's called "What lies ahead" and I'm still hellbent on the necropolis cinematic, so I expect it right there.

By the way, a time skip due to how time behaves differently in the Shadowlands makes zero sense from a lore point of view. So they have to find another reason for a time skip.

[Ivarr]

We were told hellscream would be a boss in WoD

I still think they genuinely wanted him to be one but he got dropped due to ... 'constraints'.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Yeah. It's called "What lies ahead" and I'm still hellbent on the necropolis cinematic, so I expect it right there.

By the way, a time skip due to how time behaves differently in the Shadowlands makes zero sense from a lore point of view. So they have to find another reason for a time skip.

Why does it make zero sense from a lore point of view exactly? Not trying to throw shade, I am genuinely asking.

[Raetary]

A time skip can be implemented at any time, anywhere.
They do not need to have any sort of grand, in-universe, time mumbo-jumbo reason to enact one.

We defeat Zovaal, come back to Azeroth and the next expansion just picks up 5-10 years after.
Boom, you have a time skip.

All that's left is filling those 5-10 years with lore.

[Fahrad Wagner]

A time skip can be implemented at any time, anywhere.
They do not need to have any sort of grand, in-universe, time mumbo-jumbo reason to enact one.

We defeat Zovaal, come back to Azeroth and the next expansion just picks up 5-10 years after.
Boom, you have a time skip.

All that's left is filling those 5-10 years with lore.

True! I mean, I'd still prefer us having a lore reason or some major event introducing the time skip, but if they really want to do one... they could just do it, without any explanation.

[Ivarr]

Still need an explanation as to why these meddlesome superheroes haven't been involved in major events in the world.

[Nyel]

Why does it make zero sense from a lore point of view exactly? Not trying to throw shade, I am genuinely asking.

Because we're basically going back and forth between the Shadowlands and "reality". At least we brought our allies here. There's a portal to Stormwind / Orgrimmar as well in Oribos.

So it would make simply no sense if we return to Azeroth in 10.0 and just realize "oopsie daisy, 10 years instead of 10 days have passed".

I'm not arguing against a time skip, I'm just saying the explanation "because time in the Shadowlands behaves differently" makes no sense as a reason for a time skip.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Because we're basically going back and forth between the Shadowlands and "reality". At least we brought our allies here. There's a portal to Stormwind / Orgrimmar as well in Oribos.

So it would make simply no sense if we return to Azeroth in 10.0 and just realize "oopsie daisy, 10 years instead of 10 days have passed".

I'm not arguing against a time skip, I'm just saying the explanation "because time in the Shadowlands behaves differently" makes no sense as a reason for a time skip.

Except the last step of the Jailer's plan could 1. trap us in the Shadowlands for some amount of time 2. distorts the way time operates between different realms. So because we are able to go back and forth the Shadowlands and Azeroth and time doesn't behave differently, does not mean this will be the case later in the expansion.

Who knows, stepping into the Sepulcher could be the trigger for that. Imagine a place so ancient and so sacred that not even time exists there, or at least behaves very differently? This could happen (it probably won't but you get my point).

That being said the whole portals to Orgrimmar and Stormwind thing was mainly introduced for gameplay purposes. If the game was strictly lore-driven and less accomodating, we'd be stuck in the Shadowlands and all mechanics to escape them would be pure gameplay mechanics with no lore backing them up.

[ExiHext]

Of course you can explain a time skip without problems just like you can explain the next big baddie being Ronald McDonald. You just need a proper story. The thing is they won't do a timeskip because they are perfectly content with lore and environment. It's just players that want a time skip/revamp.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Of course you can explain a time skip without problems just like you can explain the next big baddie being Ronald McDonald. You just need a proper story. The thing is they won't do a timeskip because they are perfectly content with lore and environment. It's just players that want a time skip/revamp.

... Players are sort of the ones paying the bills.

The devs have been happy with plenty of things, yet changed them as a result of player reaction. Flying is one such event. The devs were removing it completely, players rioted, now we get flying every expansion all the same, just at a later date.

[huth]

True! I mean, I'd still prefer us having a lore reason or some major event introducing the time skip, but if they really want to do one... they could just do it, without any explanation.

Well, lore "reason" could be as simple as "nothing of interest happens for the next x years". Azeroth certainly is due a break.