Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AngerFork]

This is what Mechagnomes should've been.
This is what everyone wanted them to be.

Everytime people discussed potential subraces before BfA, Mimirons clockwork gnomes were prime contenders.
Yet instead of giving us them, with their unique aesthetic, we got midget cyborgs in diapers.

It's so damn sad.

There was no good reason for them to avoid this model. The story of Mechagon showed it as a possibility, even with the comic turning the guy into one. They wouldn't have had to turn off specific limbs if they'd gone with this & just had it wear clothes. The voices could've been great. Instead, I feel like they put in more effort to give us a worse result.

[Syegfryed]

That doesn't mean that Mages now get to command ships, though. Magni's new abilities aren't Mountain King abilities, they are the abilities of the Speaker.

Many people confuse abilities of a class and abilities of a individual. While sometimes an individual can represent a class, other times he can just do something because of his race, his outside power, or a corruption, or even because he "multiclass" not rly because is part of the actual class

One of the reasons most requests for class are merely "class skins" in this case, individuals who do something out of the normal

[Delekii]

Isnt this what happened anyway? People that dont like Elves were essentially shafted, the only famous allied races are Void Elves and Lightforged to some extent on Alliance and for Horde its Zandalari and Vulpera.


The rest of the Allied Races? I barely see them, with the worst contenders being Mechagnomes for alliance and Nightboring for Horde.

So they made... 2 hit races for each faction? And all of them use the same rig anyway apart from Kul Tirans?

Biggest waste of resources.

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Blood Elf 20.23%
Night Elf 9.50%
Orc 9.46%
Human 9.01%
Troll 6.65%
Tauren 5.47%
Undead 4.87%
Zandalari Troll 4.36%
Void Elf 3.62%
Vulpera 3.27%
Pandaren 2.94%
Draenei 2.64%
Mag'har Orc 2.33%
Nightborne 2.19%
Goblin 2.06%
Worgen 1.95%
Dwarf 1.78%
Highmountain Tauren 1.77%
Dark Iron Dwarf 1.60%
Gnome 1.51%
Lightforged Draenei 1.19%
Kul Tiran 0.97%
Mechagnome 0.63%

Allied races make up 16.47% of all counted characters, with some of them having significantly higher representation than some non-allied races. With gnomes at 1.51% and dwarves at 1.78%, you'd be hard-pressed to consider any of the current allied races an abject failure, even with mechagnomes at 0.63%.

Let's put it this way; of the 10 allied races so far, 3 are more popular than Pandaren and Draenei, 5 are more popular than Goblems, Worgens and Dwarves, and 7 are more popular than Gnomes.

If I were pressed to guess, I'd imagine that Blizzard considers allied races as a concept astoundingly successful, because they have been. After accounting for the elf factor, as well as ~10 years of character creation prior to them existing, the representation of most allied races vs. the effort to create them is astoundingly good in most cases. It's certainly better than many of the stand-alone races that have been released after the burning crusade.

Okay definitely mad about a random person on the internet's opinion. Ok bro lol

What in either of the posts you have quoted indicates to you that the person replying to you is mad? Just curious. Discussing opinions (including when they are stupid) is literally the point of a discussion forum.

[Berkilak]

Some people probably disagree but mechagnomes are soo bad..

I don't know how people that are a fan of Mechagnomes as a concept can he happy with their actual implementation.

[Vakir]

I don't know how people that are a fan of Mechagnomes as a concept can he happy with their actual implementation.

Diapers!

Seriously, low effort, especially compared to the Vulpera. I get why people don't like Vulpera, completely, tonally and due to furry bullshit. But the effort disparity is pretty big other than maybe their heritage set.

[Teriz]

There was no good reason for them to avoid this model. The story of Mechagon showed it as a possibility, even with the comic turning the guy into one. They wouldn't have had to turn off specific limbs if they'd gone with this & just had it wear clothes. The voices could've been great. Instead, I feel like they put in more effort to give us a worse result.

Yep. Honestly if they would have gone the Titan-route, Mechagnomes would be up there with Vulpera IMO.

[Das Thora]

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Blood Elf 20.23%
Night Elf 9.50%
Orc 9.46%
Human 9.01%
Troll 6.65%
Tauren 5.47%
Undead 4.87%
Zandalari Troll 4.36%
Void Elf 3.62%
Vulpera 3.27%
Pandaren 2.94%
Draenei 2.64%
Mag'har Orc 2.33%
Nightborne 2.19%
Goblin 2.06%
Worgen 1.95%
Dwarf 1.78%
Highmountain Tauren 1.77%
Dark Iron Dwarf 1.60%
Gnome 1.51%
Lightforged Draenei 1.19%
Kul Tiran 0.97%
Mechagnome 0.63%

Allied races make up 16.47% of all counted characters, with some of them having significantly higher representation than some non-allied races. With gnomes at 1.51% and dwarves at 1.78%, you'd be hard-pressed to consider any of the current allied races an abject failure, even with mechagnomes at 0.63%.

Let's put it this way; of the 10 allied races so far, 3 are more popular than Pandaren and Draenei, 5 are more popular than Goblems, Worgens and Dwarves, and 7 are more popular than Gnomes.

If I were pressed to guess, I'd imagine that Blizzard considers allied races as a concept astoundingly successful, because they have been. After accounting for the elf factor, as well as ~10 years of character creation prior to them existing, the representation of most allied races vs. the effort to create them is astoundingly good in most cases. It's certainly better than many of the stand-alone races that have been released after the burning crusade.



What in either of the posts you have quoted indicates to you that the person replying to you is mad? Just curious. Discussing opinions (including when they are stupid) is literally the point of a discussion forum.

Okay dude, go take a breath.

[ercarp]

This is what Mechagnomes should've been.
This is what everyone wanted them to be.

Everytime people discussed potential subraces before BfA, Mimirons clockwork gnomes were prime contenders.
Yet instead of giving us them, with their unique aesthetic, we got midget cyborgs in diapers.

It's so damn sad.

Exactly. I remember the Mechagnome discussions vividly to this day. Clockwork gnomes are what people wanted, not the diaper abominations we got.

But even the Junker Gnomes we got could have been a pretty good addition if executed better. Like why can't we just choose to have one arm or leg replaced with a robot part? That would be so much cooler if we could do that.

[Stricks]

If there's no new class in 10.0, then we're waiting until around 2025 for the next possible WoW class.

A lot of people won't be around by then.

True I wasn't thinking about it like that.

[Civciv]

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Blood Elf 20.23%
Night Elf 9.50%
Orc 9.46%
Human 9.01%
Troll 6.65%
Tauren 5.47%
Undead 4.87%
Zandalari Troll 4.36%
Void Elf 3.62%
Vulpera 3.27%
Pandaren 2.94%
Draenei 2.64%
Mag'har Orc 2.33%
Nightborne 2.19%
Goblin 2.06%
Worgen 1.95%
Dwarf 1.78%
Highmountain Tauren 1.77%
Dark Iron Dwarf 1.60%
Gnome 1.51%
Lightforged Draenei 1.19%
Kul Tiran 0.97%
Mechagnome 0.63%

%3 Void Elf

[Syegfryed]

I think mechagnomes are way better than normal gnomes

[KayRule]

That doesn't mean that Mages now get to command ships, though. Magni's new abilities aren't Mountain King abilities, they are the abilities of the Speaker.

Why can't Speaker be a spec for Mountain King....

[Berkilak]

Exactly. I remember the Mechagnome discussions vividly to this day. Clockwork gnomes are what people wanted, not the diaper abominations we got.

But even the Junker Gnomes we got could have been a pretty good addition if executed better. Like why can't we just choose to have one arm or leg replaced with a robot part? That would be so much cooler if we could do that.

They should have been options for expanded core Gnome customization. They don't even have the cultural distinction that would necessitate the creation of an Allied Race. They're just Gnomes.

[huth]

Allied races make up 16.47% of all counted characters, with some of them having significantly higher representation than some non-allied races. With gnomes at 1.51% and dwarves at 1.78%, you'd be hard-pressed to consider any of the current allied races an abject failure, even with mechagnomes at 0.63%.

Let's put it this way; of the 10 allied races so far, 3 are more popular than Pandaren and Draenei, 5 are more popular than Goblems, Worgens and Dwarves, and 7 are more popular than Gnomes.

If I were pressed to guess, I'd imagine that Blizzard considers allied races as a concept astoundingly successful, because they have been. After accounting for the elf factor, as well as ~10 years of character creation prior to them existing, the representation of most allied races vs. the effort to create them is astoundingly good in most cases. It's certainly better than many of the stand-alone races that have been released after the burning crusade.

It's likely numbers are actually rather skewed due to the requirements for Allied Races. I've probably seen more Kul Tirans run around Oribos than i have Gnomes. Admittedly, they're also a lot easier to find.

Meanwhile, i'm not sure i've seen any Mechagnomes at all.

[Yus atath]

We’re 100% getting a new class reveal tomorrow

[Sondrelk]

It's likely numbers are actually rather skewed due to the requirements for Allied Races. I've probably seen more Kul Tirans run around Oribos than i have Gnomes. Admittedly, they're also a lot easier to find.

Meanwhile, i'm not sure i've seen any Mechagnomes at all.

I am pretty sure I have seen a total of 2 Mechagnome at max level ever since they became available.

[ercarp]

We’re 100% getting a new class reveal tomorrow

It's definitely going to happen. 100% guaranteed.

[JDBlou]

It's definitely going to happen. 100% guaranteed.

I hope so my dudes, I hope so.

[Soulwind]

It's definitely going to happen. 100% guaranteed.

I can 100% confirm that it's 100% a possibility.

[horizon nowhere]

I hope so my dudes, I hope so.

Surely it has to.. right? right?...