1. #44021
    Quote Originally Posted by NikolaiShade View Post
    To just elaborate on this, while the art department takes care of skins the gameplay department (I doubt there is such a division) can tweak classes. And just to add to the discussion class skins could be used to introduce race/class combos otherwise problematic, NElf paladins could be guardians of Elune and use arcane magic, Forsaken paladins could use void and so on
    And they could even add certain fantasies to multiple classes. Like the Dragonsworn concept. Say it doesn't get a class of its own, but all casters get a Dragon-themed class skin, each would still have their own spells, but some animations and effects could easily be reused, and that way you don't tie the concept to one class only.

    I'd say it's a win-win. Relatively low effort (when compared to a whole new class or fourth specs) for a sizeable amount of content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    The current implementation of Avatar does NOT fully emulate it's ability and design and fantasy in WC3.
    For balance reasons. However, if Blizzard wants to make Avatar more like its WC3 incarnation, why would they create an entirely new class instead of simply giving the Warrior version increased armor and HP?

  3. #44023
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Imagine unironically believing that (even ignoring Draenei and Blood Elves) remodeling 8 base races and adding an entirely new rigging and animation set for facial expressions is somehow "less work" than two new races.
    Blizzard may be incompetent, lazy, pathologically gaslighting hacks, but they only have succeeded as much as they have despite all of that because their userbase is filled with the absolute dumbest fucking people imaginable who think like this. It's hard for them to commit to something that would actually help update the game when their fanbase unironically thinks "wait...they added 0 races instead of 2....it was less work!!!"

    We won't ever get player housing because garrison were terrible and the fanbase is incapable of understanding why garrisons were terrible and lack critical thinking abilities to allow anything similar to garrisons in any vague way to be entertained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    For balance reasons. However, if Blizzard wants to make Avatar more like its WC3 incarnation, why would they create an entirely new class instead of simply giving the Warrior version increased armor and HP?
    Same shit for Metamorphosis. You just personally don't want Mountain King so you're trying to invent fake reasons it shouldn't be in, even though it's the only class that fits all the criteria for what classes can get in.

  4. #44024
    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    I would rather have 10 more Allied Races than 1 new brand new race, tbqh
    Personally not me. The only allied race I liked were dark iron. The rest felt too niche, like jokes or just basically the same as what we had before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Same shit for Metamorphosis. You just personally don't want Mountain King so you're trying to invent fake reasons it shouldn't be in, even though it's the only class that fits all the criteria for what classes can get in.
    Uh no. Once again, Warlocks and Rogues could never fully emulate a Demon Hunter, which prompted Blizzard to make a DH class.

    Warriors emulate Mountain Kings just fine.

  6. #44026
    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    The rest felt too niche, like jokes or just basically the same as what we had before.
    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    The only allied race I liked were dark iron. .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh no. Once again, Warlocks and Rogues could never fully emulate a Demon Hunter, which prompted Blizzard to make a DH class.

    Warriors emulate Mountain Kings just fine.
    Warriors do not have proper Avatar forms. Warriors do not have the same mobility options as HotS Mountain King. Warriors do not posses any healing specs, as modern Mountain King lors like Magni show.

  7. #44027
    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post


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    Warriors do not have proper Avatar forms. Warriors do not have the same mobility options as HotS Mountain King. Warriors do not posses any healing specs, as modern Mountain King lors like Magni show.
    Uh, Magni is pretty much an Arms Warrior in HotS though, minus the knockback.

    Second Wind is just all thats missing from Warrior in WoW.
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    It just sounded ominous as if he would save that info for future use to something, that's all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shandalar View Post
    Next class is Necromancer. Tinker will never happen.

    You read first here.
    Oh yeah?

  8. #44028
    Hahaha, 1-hour explanation on why Alextrazza wears armor.

    What is the worse that can happen? Which is the sum of all your fears?

    - No class.
    - No race.
    - Borrowed power.
    - Cosmic battle.
    - No dragons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    Personally not me. The only allied race I liked were dark iron. The rest felt too niche, like jokes or just basically the same as what we had before.
    At this point, I'm not sure there's a race they could add that wouldn't feel pretty niche as is. Ogres, Arakkoa, Hozen, Ethereals, Kyrian, Venthyr, Drakonid...pretty much everything I can think of would be more of a niche sort of race than things like Elves & Humans that we have already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Warriors do not have proper Avatar forms.
    "Proper" in what way? You're never going to get a form in WoW that allows you spell immunity.

    Warriors do not have the same mobility options as HotS Mountain King.
    Dwarf Toss = Heroic Leap

    Warriors do not posses any healing specs, as modern Mountain King lors like Magni show.
    Neither Muardin or the MK had any healing beyond self-healing abilities, which the Warrior class has.

  11. #44031
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Proper" in what way? You're never going to get a form in WoW that allows you spell immunity.



    Dwarf Toss = Heroic Leap



    Neither Muardin or the MK had any healing beyond self-healing abilities, which the Warrior class has.
    Uh, maybe play the game your talking about? BfA showed alot of new lores for Mountain King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    I would rather have 10 more Allied Races than 1 new brand new race, tbqh
    Disagree, i'd rather have 1-2 unique races with a proper amount of customization, than 10 ARs that look almost exactly like the core races and only get 5 hair styles, 3 skin colors.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KainneAbsolute View Post
    Hahaha, 1-hour explanation on why Alextrazza wears armor.

    What is the worse that can happen? Which is the sum of all your fears?

    - No class.
    - No race.
    - Borrowed power.
    - Cosmic battle.
    - No dragons
    Your post pretty much hits most of my biggest fears, though I'd add in endgame grind & potentially cool new system that becomes a chore as it is required in order to raid. Perhaps also Sylvanas finishing her task early & becoming a key figure in what follows.

  14. #44034
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Disagree, i'd rather have 1-2 unique races with a proper amount of customization, than 10 ARs that look almost exactly like the core races and only get 5 hair styles, 3 skin colors.
    Well yeah, let me rephrase. I'd rather have 10 Allied Races with the amount of customization options they got recently in Shadowlands, than 1 unique race (they are NEVER ADDING TWO RACES again, no reason to even entertain the idea.

    Since these are the only options, the former is the better imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buliwyf the Omen View Post
    Uh, Magni is pretty much an Arms Warrior in HotS though, minus the knockback.

    Second Wind is just all thats missing from Warrior in WoW.
    Warriors have Second Wind too;

    https://www.wowhead.com/spell=29838/second-wind

    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Uh, maybe play the game your talking about? BfA showed alot of new lores for Mountain King.
    Which is irrelevant. You were talking about the Mountain King from HotS and WC3. The Warrior class in WoW emulates those concepts just fine, so now you're moving goalposts to some obscure lore from BFA. Wayward lore has no bearing on this whatsoever. The basis are the hero units and characters from HotS and WC3. If those are properly emulated, we're good.

  16. #44036
    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    Well good thing they added multiple options and you enjoyed one of them just like other people enjoy different ones. They should definitely just add 1 or 2 races next time so anyone who doesnt like them can be fucked for 4-6 years
    Did I strike a nerve by stating my opinion?

  17. #44037
    Races are stupid in general and add almost no evolution to the game. They are not worthy of being major features of an expansion, especially now that we have allied races. Whether or not you are staring at the arse of an elf or an ogre for 99% of your gameplay experience makes almost no functional difference to your interaction with the game.

    It will be a major disappointment if there is no new class or specs; gameplay must evolve, even with reworks the specs are thematically the same as they've been for 6+ years with few exceptions. "But mah balance" is not a good excuse for this not to occur; balance has never been wrought in the 15 years of the game; it's not going to start now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Momo View Post
    Did I strike a nerve by stating my opinion?
    I'm not the guy you're quoting, but I'm gonna go with "your opinion is bad". Pretty self-evident.
    Last edited by Delekii; 2022-04-18 at 12:33 PM.

  18. #44038
    Quote Originally Posted by Snorlax View Post
    Well good thing they added multiple options and you enjoyed one of them just like other people enjoy different ones. They should definitely just add 1 or 2 races next time so anyone who doesnt like them can be fucked for 4-6 years
    Isnt this what happened anyway? People that dont like Elves were essentially shafted, the only famous allied races are Void Elves and Lightforged to some extent on Alliance and for Horde its Zandalari and Vulpera.


    The rest of the Allied Races? I barely see them, with the worst contenders being Mechagnomes for alliance and Nightboring for Horde.

    So they made... 2 hit races for each faction? And all of them use the same rig anyway apart from Kul Tirans?

    Biggest waste of resources.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kumorii View Post
    It just sounded ominous as if he would save that info for future use to something, that's all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shandalar View Post
    Next class is Necromancer. Tinker will never happen.

    You read first here.
    Oh yeah?

  19. #44039
    Quote Originally Posted by Buliwyf the Omen View Post
    Isnt this what happened anyway? People that dont like Elves were essentially shafted, the only famous allied races are Void Elves and Lightforged to some extent on Alliance and for Horde its Zandalari and Vulpera.


    The rest of the Allied Races? I barely see them, with the worst contenders being Mechagnomes for alliance and Nightboring for Horde.

    So they made... 2 hit races for each faction? And all of them use the same rig anyway apart from Kul Tirans?

    Biggest waste of resources.
    Some people probably disagree but mechagnomes are soo bad..

  20. #44040
    Quote Originally Posted by KayRule View Post
    Uh, maybe play the game your talking about? BfA showed alot of new lores for Mountain King.
    Same to you. BfA didn't show anything new for Mountain King. Magni is no longer one.

    They're really just Dwarf Warriors.

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