Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Das Thora]

Races are stupid in general and add almost no evolution to the game. They are not worthy of being major features of an expansion, especially now that we have allied races. Whether or not you are staring at the arse of an elf or an ogre for 99% of your gameplay experience makes almost no functional difference to your interaction with the game.

It will be a major disappointment if there is no new class or specs; gameplay must evolve, even with reworks the specs are thematically the same as they've been for 6+ years with few exceptions. "But mah balance" is not a good excuse for this not to occur; balance has never been wrought in the 15 years of the game; it's not going to start now.



I'm not the guy you're quoting, but I'm gonna go with "your opinion is bad". Pretty self-evident.

Okay definitely mad about a random person on the internet's opinion. Ok bro lol

[Teriz]

Mechagnomes could've been really cool if they were like Mimiron.

Add a Tinker Class with cool Mech Suits and gadgets and robots and you would've had a no brainer. Toss both Dwarves and normal Gnomes and for Horde Vulpera, normal Orcs and Goblins and you got a popular class.

GW2 showcases absurdly well how varied and decent an Engineer can play, and they did that all without even using Power Armor / Mech Suit / Frames.

Yeah, the GW2 Mechanist is pretty much how an Artificer spec in WoW should play.

Having no tech class in WoW is freaking embarrassing.

[Raetary]

They really should have gone with the ones that resemble Mimiron;

This is what Mechagnomes should've been.
This is what everyone wanted them to be.

Everytime people discussed potential subraces before BfA, Mimirons clockwork gnomes were prime contenders.
Yet instead of giving us them, with their unique aesthetic, we got midget cyborgs in diapers.

It's so damn sad.

[KayRule]

Same to you. BfA didn't show anything new for Mountain King. Magni is no longer one.

They're really just Dwarf Warriors.

He literally becomes Azeroth Avatar....

[huth]

He literally becomes Azeroth Avatar....

Yes. Instead of a Mountain King.

[Raetary]

He literally becomes Azeroth Avatar....

Eh, more like her secretary.

[Deadmines]

Yes. Instead of a Mountain King.

He's still a mountain king though. Jaina became an Admiral, that doesn't mean she isn't a mage anymore.

[huth]

He's still a mountain king though. Jaina became an Admiral, that doesn't mean she isn't a mage anymore.

That doesn't mean that Mages now get to command ships, though. Magni's new abilities aren't Mountain King abilities, they are the abilities of the Speaker.

[Teriz]

This is what Mechagnomes should've been.
This is what everyone wanted them to be.

Everytime people discussed potential subraces before BfA, Mimirons clockwork gnomes were prime contenders.
Yet instead of giving us them, with their unique aesthetic, we got midget cyborgs in diapers.

It's so damn sad.

Yeah, i don't know why they felt the need to go the other route when they had a template ready to go.

Also while I enjoyed Mechagon, a Mechagon that was heavily Titan influenced, or even a lost Titan facility would have been amazing.

[AngerFork]

This is what Mechagnomes should've been.
This is what everyone wanted them to be.

Everytime people discussed potential subraces before BfA, Mimirons clockwork gnomes were prime contenders.
Yet instead of giving us them, with their unique aesthetic, we got midget cyborgs in diapers.

It's so damn sad.

There was no good reason for them to avoid this model. The story of Mechagon showed it as a possibility, even with the comic turning the guy into one. They wouldn't have had to turn off specific limbs if they'd gone with this & just had it wear clothes. The voices could've been great. Instead, I feel like they put in more effort to give us a worse result.

[Syegfryed]

That doesn't mean that Mages now get to command ships, though. Magni's new abilities aren't Mountain King abilities, they are the abilities of the Speaker.

Many people confuse abilities of a class and abilities of a individual. While sometimes an individual can represent a class, other times he can just do something because of his race, his outside power, or a corruption, or even because he "multiclass" not rly because is part of the actual class

One of the reasons most requests for class are merely "class skins" in this case, individuals who do something out of the normal

[Delekii]

Isnt this what happened anyway? People that dont like Elves were essentially shafted, the only famous allied races are Void Elves and Lightforged to some extent on Alliance and for Horde its Zandalari and Vulpera.


The rest of the Allied Races? I barely see them, with the worst contenders being Mechagnomes for alliance and Nightboring for Horde.

So they made... 2 hit races for each faction? And all of them use the same rig anyway apart from Kul Tirans?

Biggest waste of resources.

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Blood Elf 20.23%
Night Elf 9.50%
Orc 9.46%
Human 9.01%
Troll 6.65%
Tauren 5.47%
Undead 4.87%
Zandalari Troll 4.36%
Void Elf 3.62%
Vulpera 3.27%
Pandaren 2.94%
Draenei 2.64%
Mag'har Orc 2.33%
Nightborne 2.19%
Goblin 2.06%
Worgen 1.95%
Dwarf 1.78%
Highmountain Tauren 1.77%
Dark Iron Dwarf 1.60%
Gnome 1.51%
Lightforged Draenei 1.19%
Kul Tiran 0.97%
Mechagnome 0.63%

Allied races make up 16.47% of all counted characters, with some of them having significantly higher representation than some non-allied races. With gnomes at 1.51% and dwarves at 1.78%, you'd be hard-pressed to consider any of the current allied races an abject failure, even with mechagnomes at 0.63%.

Let's put it this way; of the 10 allied races so far, 3 are more popular than Pandaren and Draenei, 5 are more popular than Goblems, Worgens and Dwarves, and 7 are more popular than Gnomes.

If I were pressed to guess, I'd imagine that Blizzard considers allied races as a concept astoundingly successful, because they have been. After accounting for the elf factor, as well as ~10 years of character creation prior to them existing, the representation of most allied races vs. the effort to create them is astoundingly good in most cases. It's certainly better than many of the stand-alone races that have been released after the burning crusade.

Okay definitely mad about a random person on the internet's opinion. Ok bro lol

What in either of the posts you have quoted indicates to you that the person replying to you is mad? Just curious. Discussing opinions (including when they are stupid) is literally the point of a discussion forum.

[Berkilak]

Some people probably disagree but mechagnomes are soo bad..

I don't know how people that are a fan of Mechagnomes as a concept can he happy with their actual implementation.

[Vakir]

I don't know how people that are a fan of Mechagnomes as a concept can he happy with their actual implementation.

Diapers!

Seriously, low effort, especially compared to the Vulpera. I get why people don't like Vulpera, completely, tonally and due to furry bullshit. But the effort disparity is pretty big other than maybe their heritage set.

[Teriz]

There was no good reason for them to avoid this model. The story of Mechagon showed it as a possibility, even with the comic turning the guy into one. They wouldn't have had to turn off specific limbs if they'd gone with this & just had it wear clothes. The voices could've been great. Instead, I feel like they put in more effort to give us a worse result.

Yep. Honestly if they would have gone the Titan-route, Mechagnomes would be up there with Vulpera IMO.

[Das Thora]

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Blood Elf 20.23%
Night Elf 9.50%
Orc 9.46%
Human 9.01%
Troll 6.65%
Tauren 5.47%
Undead 4.87%
Zandalari Troll 4.36%
Void Elf 3.62%
Vulpera 3.27%
Pandaren 2.94%
Draenei 2.64%
Mag'har Orc 2.33%
Nightborne 2.19%
Goblin 2.06%
Worgen 1.95%
Dwarf 1.78%
Highmountain Tauren 1.77%
Dark Iron Dwarf 1.60%
Gnome 1.51%
Lightforged Draenei 1.19%
Kul Tiran 0.97%
Mechagnome 0.63%

Allied races make up 16.47% of all counted characters, with some of them having significantly higher representation than some non-allied races. With gnomes at 1.51% and dwarves at 1.78%, you'd be hard-pressed to consider any of the current allied races an abject failure, even with mechagnomes at 0.63%.

Let's put it this way; of the 10 allied races so far, 3 are more popular than Pandaren and Draenei, 5 are more popular than Goblems, Worgens and Dwarves, and 7 are more popular than Gnomes.

If I were pressed to guess, I'd imagine that Blizzard considers allied races as a concept astoundingly successful, because they have been. After accounting for the elf factor, as well as ~10 years of character creation prior to them existing, the representation of most allied races vs. the effort to create them is astoundingly good in most cases. It's certainly better than many of the stand-alone races that have been released after the burning crusade.



What in either of the posts you have quoted indicates to you that the person replying to you is mad? Just curious. Discussing opinions (including when they are stupid) is literally the point of a discussion forum.

Okay dude, go take a breath.

[ercarp]

This is what Mechagnomes should've been.
This is what everyone wanted them to be.

Everytime people discussed potential subraces before BfA, Mimirons clockwork gnomes were prime contenders.
Yet instead of giving us them, with their unique aesthetic, we got midget cyborgs in diapers.

It's so damn sad.

Exactly. I remember the Mechagnome discussions vividly to this day. Clockwork gnomes are what people wanted, not the diaper abominations we got.

But even the Junker Gnomes we got could have been a pretty good addition if executed better. Like why can't we just choose to have one arm or leg replaced with a robot part? That would be so much cooler if we could do that.

[Stricks]

If there's no new class in 10.0, then we're waiting until around 2025 for the next possible WoW class.

A lot of people won't be around by then.

True I wasn't thinking about it like that.

[Civciv]

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Blood Elf 20.23%
Night Elf 9.50%
Orc 9.46%
Human 9.01%
Troll 6.65%
Tauren 5.47%
Undead 4.87%
Zandalari Troll 4.36%
Void Elf 3.62%
Vulpera 3.27%
Pandaren 2.94%
Draenei 2.64%
Mag'har Orc 2.33%
Nightborne 2.19%
Goblin 2.06%
Worgen 1.95%
Dwarf 1.78%
Highmountain Tauren 1.77%
Dark Iron Dwarf 1.60%
Gnome 1.51%
Lightforged Draenei 1.19%
Kul Tiran 0.97%
Mechagnome 0.63%

%3 Void Elf

[Syegfryed]

I think mechagnomes are way better than normal gnomes