1. #46641
    Quote Originally Posted by KyleEverett View Post
    I'm praying it's not. I do not want a system in game where a healer could conceivably say, "I'm sorry, I didn't talent cleanse."
    Cleanse is obviously going be baseline.

  2. #46642
    Quote Originally Posted by Das Thora View Post
    It's funny going back and reading
    1. People coming up with reasons why Mists of Pandaria is either a hoax, a joke, the first ever trademarked patch, or a mobile game
    2. People all saying how WoD's plotline was far too silly for Blizzard
    Never forget the legion leak snark by the guy who's since changed his avatar, name and sig to Legion hype stuff.
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  3. #46643
    Quote Originally Posted by Das Thora View Post
    Could debunk it in the way this was debunked here
    Now lets talk about the absolute torrent of fake 'credible' shadowlands leaks the week before the teaser.



  4. #46644
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Let's go ahead and assume the mesh errors—the one on the legs and the one with the wings and the error with the wings. Why are the heads so much smaller than Blizzard heads usually are? Why are the wings inexplicably translucent? Why are they, a race that is a full race and not an allied race using preexisting animations?
    The legs and wings can easily just be polish problems. Like, pixel peeking at an extremely low quality, likely mid development screenshot isn't convincing. Alternatively, again, a shifting artstyle, which is not unusual for blizzard at all, come on. We went from the fields of elysium to high technology in a single expac, neither of which align with the other stylistically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Why are they, a race that is a full race and not an allied race using preexisting animations?
    Uh.... Again. Asset reuse. But even then, we don't know if the final version of this race will have new animations or not. There's no way to tell from all of two screenshots. Your evidence is not convincing me.

  5. #46645
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilithvia View Post
    Because that's... part of MMOs these days, is reusing assets
    ... reusing an entire animation set for a new race, something which has never been done before and has no precedent for being done, is likely because that's "part of MMOs these days"? That's a generalization and not applicable.

  6. #46646
    Also that kobold fan art made me think about an idea I was thinking about last night; if the next batch of allied races (either in one expansion, which is entirely impractical and unrealistic, or through multiple expansions) were monsters from starting zones forming alliances with the opposite faction. IE;

    Kobolds from Elwynn allying with the Horde.
    Leper Gnomes from Dun Morogh allying with the Horde.
    Satyrs the Kaldorei lands allying with the Horde.
    Furbolg from Bloodmist allying with the Horde.

    Quilboar from Durotar allying with the Alliance.
    Harpies from Mulgore allying with the Alliance.
    Forest Trolls from Quel'thalas allying with the Alliance.
    Lightforged Scarlets from Lordaeron allying with the Alliance.

  7. #46647
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Every one of my characters has an obscure Tolkien name. Uncommon ones with all the different letters and accent marks, not so much Xxxlegolasxxx .
    My main was slightly altered ... quenya I think? Appropriate for a night elf anyway and it's been a long while. My fury warrior I used old english ala Rohirrim, and a number of other alts used names I came up with in LOTRO...

    Been thinking of renaming my priest to one that basically means moon-crowned in Sindarin. appropriate for a nelf priestess!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    Generally, that's how real leaks work. People probably ought to keep that in mind whenever they start congregating around someone. The fact that the poster proceeded to bother to argue against the perceived nitpicking and mock it is pretty evident that they were making things up, because every confirmed leak thus far has been by a throwaway account created specifically to post it who stopped posting after they posted their leak.
    For all the "I don't care if anyone finds out" or "I don't care if you believe me" in so many of those kinds of posts, there is an awful lot of defending and explaining. You would think someone who didn't actually make the things in question would have no reason to take it personally enough to bother arguing about the validity
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  9. #46649
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Now lets talk about the absolute torrent of fake 'credible' shadowlands leaks the week before the teaser.


    And yet most people here believed them. You can't debunk those. You can only wait 12 hours rather than sitting here angrily hunting for ways to prove it wrong if you wanna be weird. Unsourced images can't be trusted but they can't be debunked.

  10. #46650
    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    I remember wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back when, there was a screenshot of the Stair of Destiny framed exactly like a modern day fake leak. Picture of a monitor, dark background, grainy quality.

    Same thing with WoTLK but with that burning forest in Howling Fjord. You could see the really ugly alpha Vrykul models in it.
    This is the original TBC leak.



    I couldn't find anything about WotLK's leak with any images though wowpedia is usually pretty good at recording that (here's the original talk page with various 'leaks'). Though now that we have 2 pics of the talent tree I'll at least believe that one a bit more now or someone is putting a lot of effort into it.
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  11. #46651
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    "soft" is another one of those things that is impossible to tell in a pixelated mess of a screenshot.

    Also, no, it's really not that small.



    All sorts of crazy shit happens in test builds of character creation screens. Weird clipping is not some miraculous thing. Also most of your "nine issues" are basically just "there's some weird artifacting here" which again, is impossible to differentiate from just shitty picture quality.

    That's a texture, not the base of a mesh clipping through the body. That's also not reusing animations from a preexisting race for a new baseline race. I also at no point suggested any artifacting as an issue. I pointed out several issues that are either structural or functional in the model itself that can't be easily explained away.

  12. #46652
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    ... reusing an entire animation set for a new race, something which has never been done before and has no precedent for being done, is likely because that's "part of MMOs these days"? That's a generalization and not applicable.
    Not sure why you're differentiating allied races and "full" races as if it's some sort of gotcha. But... Vulpera reuse goblin skeletons.

  13. #46653
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Now lets talk about the absolute torrent of fake 'credible' shadowlands leaks the week before the teaser.


    You can't compare a professional level CGI shot with an MS paint map and a website mockup.

  14. #46654
    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    For all the "I don't care if anyone finds out" or "I don't care if you believe me" in so many of those kinds of posts, there is an awful lot of defending and explaining. You would think someone who didn't actually make the things in question would have no reason to take it personally enough to bother arguing about the validity
    Precisely. I don't see why anyone posting anything real would need to defend the validity of their statement. Why not just wait until the model is revealed if it's real? Why mock and get frustrated when people nitpick? It seems suspicious.

  15. #46655
    Quote Originally Posted by Hexant View Post
    was thinking more along the lines of "lets try to debunk it and then hopefully the lack of good reasons would build its credibility.
    How does a lack of reasons do anything? I could say 'The Dragon Isles are on Draenor' and you can't really disprove me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    ... reusing an entire animation set for a new race, something which has never been done before and has no precedent for being done, is likely because that's "part of MMOs these days"? That's a generalization and not applicable.
    blood elves, void elves, night elves, nightborne, tauren, high mountain tauren, female trolls female zandalari trolls, orcs, mag'har, dwarves, dark iron dwarves


    have you not played since 7.3.2?

  17. #46657
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    ... reusing an entire animation set for a new race, something which has never been done before and has no precedent for being done, is likely because that's "part of MMOs these days"? That's a generalization and not applicable.
    All of the allied races reuse skeletons. Pandas came out a decade ago, it's more of a stretch to use their design philosophy as evidence.
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  18. #46658
    Quote Originally Posted by Emet-Selch View Post
    Not sure why you're differentiating allied races and "full" races as if it's some sort of gotcha. But... Vulpera reuse goblin skeletons.
    ... Vulpera are allied races. How does that work?

  19. #46659
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I was sarcastically highlighting how a good model doesn't translate to a leak. You don't need to be Blizzard to make a convincing 3d model.
    Okay? We literally won't know for 12 hours if it's real or not. It'll literally be debunked then if it's fake, or confirmed then. I don't know what you 'win' by saying something could be made by Blizzard or it could not be, ergo deboonked.

  20. #46660
    Quote Originally Posted by AwkwardSquirtle View Post
    All of the allied races reuse skeletons. Pandas came out a decade ago, it's more of a stretch to use their design philosophy as evidence.
    That's what I'm saying. The allied races are not baseline races. Would you really say the one, sole mainline race they're introducing (much less the first one in many years) would outwardly reuse an existing animation set?

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