Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ferlion]

The issue is I don't know if it's possible for only one to be fake and one to be real, unless maybe Scaleface and the other guy found it elsewhere. That, or maybe Scaleface is partially embellishing real information. I'm not wholly sure how this whole thing works, since the Drakthyr are thoroughly unbelievable for me whereas the talent tree thing is very believable.

I think that, if I understand that new talent tree correctly, it would be impossible for it to be real. I cannot imagine Blizzard doing something like that from a balance perspective without MAJOR redesigns to the very core philosophy of the game.

The further elaborate, from the same poster who got it from his guild discord, he gave this..

Circle is passive, square are abilities, hexagon is talents as they are in retail rn and diamonds on the side seem like major abilities that are unlocked perhaps naturally just by having enough points in the tree

That is getting a lot closer to the ESO model of "You can build your class and abilities how you want within this archetype" but ESO gets away with that by not really focusing on parity between specs and treating dungeons and raids as fundamentally different than WoW.

[Melorandor]

My final prediction for World of Warcraft: Dragonflight based on leaks and speculation and because f it.

New Continent: The Dragon Isles; flying isle with each zone correspondent to each flight. Bronze, Blue, Red, Green, Black and in addition for later endgame zones based around new flights such as the Lunar/Ivory, Violet and Storm.

Never before seen flights such as the Ivory Flight that make their home in Uldaz; the White Tower and the proactive Violet Dragonflight, a flight made to counter the growing void threat

Level cap increase to 70


New talent system

New Class: The Evoker - A magic based spellcasting class empowered by the Dragonflights that wield control over time and offensive magics. Two specs, one healer (Life based) and one DPS (Battlemage-Chronomancy). Can be any race that has access to Mages, and comes with unique customization such as glowing magical eyes, runic tattoos and familiars.

New Race: Drac’thyr aka Dragonsworn - Race of Dragonsworn able to switch between a Dragonkin form and Humanoid (Human, Elven, Gnome, Tauren, ect) racials based on each Dragonflight. Basically mortals that become “Dragonsworn” or sworn to a Dragonflight in exchange for great boons and the like, and in this case, uplifted to be great servants of their respective Flight.

Player Housing

How to tame your Dragon Quest - Hunters being able to tame Dragonkin creatures

Quel’thalas, Lordaeron and Northern Kalimdor revamps

Living World

[Polybius]

something big will happen

the expansion name will contain a zany word

you may or may not encounter a new, colossal enemy of cosmic proportions

basic campfire will join the horde council

Holy smokes, WoD thread flashbacks.

[GhostCo]

The issue is I don't know if it's possible for only one to be fake and one to be real, unless maybe Scaleface and the other guy found it elsewhere. That, or maybe Scaleface is partially embellishing real information. I'm not wholly sure how this whole thing works, since the Drakthyr are thoroughly unbelievable for me whereas the talent tree thing is very believable.

That is my problem with it too. The talent tree seems so believable but the Drakthyr just seem off. However if it is just the first pass on models then I think I would like it more. Heck maybe it looks better in hi res.

[Ersula]

You are suggesting that, in a serious time of need for Blizzard's reputation, they would introduce a race reusing an entire animation set as a mainline expansion box addition?

Maybe, but they wouldn't make a race that just copied & pasted a Naga tail texture for their chest. The race has already been debunked.

I'm currently maintaining the Concept art & Cinematic shots might be real. Everything else is fake.

The talent trees are convincing, but they're a bad idea. They wouldn't return to something that didn't work just because people keep asking for it.

[Revamp Man]

While I'm sure it's not real still, someone on discord posted this, said they got it from a guild member

I’m interested in the traits with little arrows by their sides

[Leowyld]

With that new talent tree looking so detailed, it's really hard to dismiss. Which, as others have said, makes the Drakthyr hard to dismiss. If I had access to actual info about the expansion, I wouldn't mix in fake stuff with the real - it tarnishes the credibility. Me, I'm actually ok with the model we saw. But the only other alternative I can think of, that makes sense - a fake model of the real Drakthyr race was shared for laughs, so we would be blown away by the real Drakthyr model when it is shown tomorrow. It's a longshot... but we have plenty of those currently.

[Ferlion]

I’m interested in the traits with little arrows by their sides

I posted above quite literally just a moment ago, but as it was explained.

Circle is passive, square are abilities, hexagon is talents as they are in retail rn and diamonds on the side seem like major abilities that are unlocked perhaps naturally just by having enough points in the tree

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

So what leaks did we get today?
Been occupied with moving and my sister’s roommate dying so other than the Druid tree I haven’t seen anything

Well we got the logo in HD. Two text leaks, one circling back around to Light/Dragons/Revamp and one that basically backs up the Druid tree. And along with the druid tree we got that Dracthyr race that looks really awkward. And like 3 different supposed cinematic stills that all of them people think were made from a Rathalos.

And a riddler but we don't talk about him.

[therumblings]

Does anyone know if Scaleface said if those leaked pictures/models that someone else posted were real?

[rhorle]

Admittedly, if I were to have to defend this, I suppose it could, maybe, be possible that there were initially Dragons in this area, then they devolved, and then were remade into the modern Dragons again?

The only way I could see defending it is if they have no idea about Warcraft lore but skimmed a few things after getting access to a leak. That is why recent high profile changes like the Origin of Frostmourne is the thing repeated to dismiss all of the supposed errors. Things that could be true, or even believable, but lack proper context for the poster to explain in the riddles/translation that they seem to be using.

[GhostCo]

If there really is no level cap increase, they better have one DAMN good alternative progression system that will carry over from now on.

But that just sounds like more work, so they probably will just increase cap to 70.

Not having a level cap increase, or squish to 50 again, would mean the difficulty will have to go on ilvl and I would not be for it.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I think that, if I understand that new talent tree correctly, it would be impossible for it to be real. I cannot imagine Blizzard doing something like that from a balance perspective without MAJOR redesigns to the very core philosophy of the game.

The further elaborate, from the same poster who got it from his guild discord, he gave this..



That is getting a lot closer to the ESO model of "You can build your class and abilities how you want within this archetype" but ESO gets away with that by not really focusing on parity between specs and treating dungeons and raids as fundamentally different than WoW.

I didn't know this information. That is kind of interesting—I would say that it does at least have some basis, though. It is similar to the artifact system. I'm going to try to be neutral here, but I do think you do have a very good argument for this.

It does seem like I could see this working—if the information is reframed and restated, it may actually be wholly plausible.

It sounds more possible if I put it like this:

Essentially, you unlock a set of passives and active abilities during the development of your class, some of which feature in talents. This is kind of like the original, Classic system. At certain points, you unlock the major talents, which is more like the modern system. You essentially spend Talent points to unlock rows just like in Classic, but you also unlock the major ones at certain points through the spending. Then you also will unlock baseline class abilities or specialization abilities as you level up further, but the specific system they use is tied to unlocking them with the talent points you spend.

This is my best understanding of what he said. It seems plausible to me—you are right, though. It does kind of contradict Blizzard's present philosophy. The variability and emphasis on choice is a little new to this philosophy.

[s1ns]

Holy smokes, WoD thread flashbacks.

I miss those times. Basic Campfire will always be Warchief in my heart.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The only way I could see defending it is if they have no idea about Warcraft lore but skimmed a few things after getting access to a leak. That is why recent high profile changes like the Origin of Frostmourne is the thing repeated to dismiss all of the supposed errors. Things that could be true, or even believable, but lack proper context for the poster to explain in the riddles/translation that they seem to be using.

If I were to 100% defer to this as real, that's what my assumption would be.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Does anyone know if Scaleface said if those leaked pictures/models that someone else posted were real?

I believe so. He and the other guy confirmed their respective leaks.

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Maybe i wrote it not correctly down, by teachers i ment the Overseers completing the Living World Process so that a Titan can evolve in the right way and finally become a Titan.

That with all Magic began on the Isles i ment on Azeroth, all magic that we use today originated there. Or better said the abbondoning of the Living World Process opened the doorway for it.

You're engaging too much. You're diminishing your credibility.

[reidor]

This

if poster "temp", don't surprise if you find a error.

For example, i have similar signed poster for WoW: WoD and as you see, here can see Pandaria style in logo)

[rhorle]

With that new talent tree looking so detailed, it's really hard to dismiss.

What doesn't make it seem credible is that Druids have all 3 non-healing specs rolled into one. Which means a character could be at a severe disadvantage by utilizing the customization created. It doesn't seem like Blizzard would add that in without considering any combination as playable at end game. Now if it was a "borrowed" power thing then sure they could combine it all.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

What doesn't make it seem credible is that Druids have all 3 non-healing specs rolled into one. Which means a character could be at a severe disadvantage by utilizing the customization created. It doesn't seem like Blizzard would add that in without considering any combination as playable at end game. Now if it was a "borrowed" power thing then sure they could combine it all.

I mean it says Druid and Restoration, and Druid definitely has icons for heals in there.

I honestly think we're looking at a universal tree and a spec tree paired up together.

[therumblings]

Has Frankystein posted anything that we should give him credibility for?