Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Sondrelk]

Sure, but it doesn't seem to be any big, world-threatening danger. Just a bunch of old enemies that happen to be there. That's a lot more in line with Vanilla than anything else.

I would say this is basically MoP.

New land is found. Why not go there and set up camp, and maybe even plunder its resources and get decked out in cool new loot while you are at it?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

FUCK YEAH!!! You can freely choose for combat. IM SOLD

You will turn into it when you opt in to combat.

If mean humanoid form dont have wings, so you will turn into it to use abilities probably..

[Xilurm]

Lots of new pictures at polygon
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Is there any actual source for this other than polygon/wowhead?

[Buliwyf the Omen]

They look pretty cool to be fair but man, why are they so damn slim? I wish they'd bulk their chest area up a little.

Those are some scrawny damn dragons, Deathwing would be disappointed.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It feels too surreal. I am honestly shocked and in disbelief.

Talents, so that's enough for me.

[Deventh]

FUCK YEAH!!! You can freely choose for combat. IM SOLD

It literally says "choosing draconic form to battle foes". Blizz won't bother making new animations for the humanoid version, don't be ridiculous.

[AngerFork]

My thoughts on the presentation we just saw:

Cinematic: A-. It gave a good reason why we are going to the Dragon Isles in the first place as well as why we haven't just seen them around. More subdued, but frankly that's what WoW needs right now IMO.

Setting: C-. A bit bland, but I do like that Blizz has worked in so many other WoW races into the zones. They all sound like they fit a dragonflight each & should have decent story. But there isn't a specific area that I'm super psyched to get into unlike past expansions. I would've expected much crazier stuff for the ancient home of the dragonflights lost to time 10,000 years ago.

Drac'thyr Evoker: B-. It's definitely more of a gamble race/class than I expected Blizz to take at this point which will either pay off or fail horribly. With the draconic forms not really appearing to have a lot of armor customization, it doesn't feel like it'll appeal as much to transmog collectors. I also have to wonder how well that empowered abilities thing is going to pan out, especially with players that have any sort of hand/finger disabilities. I half suspect that'll get tossed before it goes live. But it does look like a fun class & does not off hand appear to steal things away from any current specs to a great deal.

Dragon Riding: B+. This I suspect will turn out to be a lot more fun than it looks. It's an inventive solution to the flying pathfinder issues, plus it'll be a non player power thing to grind for throughout the expansion. I'm surprised it's four specific drakes that you can get rather than one, wondering if those are going to be whistles in the short term for each zone.

Talent/UI/Profession updates: Incomplete. All sound nice, but we need more info to really give a rating on it.

Overall: B. This doesn't look to be as feature intense as previous expansions, but it feels like a solid way to answer a lot of player feedback. We have an endgame system which gives day 1 flight without tying it to player power, we have a new race & class that fits the Dragon Isles, we have something kind of toned back to allow for a proper threat scope reset, and it's a place players have wanted to go to for a long time. This feels to me like an actual MoP 2.0 where it will be mocked by the community for a while when it first comes out, but will in time be well regarded & fun overall.

[Alanar]

Well told ya,

Plastic scales, check
Glued on Horns, check
Final fantasy hair and eyes, check

I am sorry, but these elf/human dragon models look really cheap and just shit.. the green ones looks like growing moss lol.

[Raetary]

The dragonflight site seems to hint at something more going on, there's mention of some "ancient enemy", and the raid blurb mentions something called "Primal Incarnates" fighting the aspects. So something is going on

Anyway, my own thoughts, I admit I'm not wholly on board but I'm interested enough. Will wait and see what else gets revealed but I'm hopeful.

It's essentially big elemental proto drakes:


The tier sets are based on them.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

They look pretty cool to be fair but man, why are they so damn slim? I wish they'd bulk their chest area up a little.

Those are some scrawny damn dragons, Deathwing would be disappointed.

Looks relatively tolerable next to the leaked image, at least. I'm fairly content with these things for the time being. They look cool enough.

[Chickat]

Dragon Riding is a system. It is essentially a Legion Artifact but as a mount. It has its own skill tree so unless you are just looking for irrational hatred you can't dismiss it as a system.

Its nothing like Artifacts unless I can dragon divebomb a raid boss.

[Ersula]

Basically demon hunter.

its not a new race, its an elf that turn into a dragon instead of demon

and they are selling as an amazing new class-race-combo

ayyyy

Anyone saying this is cynical: The Dragon form is literally a reskin of Demon Hunter's Demon Form. Explicitly its just the 3rd spec people wanted from Demon Hunters.

This expansion reveal failed to meet my most pessimistic expectations.

[Santandame]

I wonder if the people that play LotROnline lost their minds when they introduced their race/class combo.

Also, some of y'all clearly hyped yourselves up too much with your expectations. Take a deep breath, you don't have to play the lizards.

We got about 5 minutes of information about them, perhaps temper yourselves until you see them in action? I admit, I'm not a fan of the dragon form at the moment, but I don't see the point in losing my mind about it.

But people would LIKE to, and not want to have to play a class or spec that doesn't jive with their playstyle.

[m4Zzo928]

Idk if that's what that means. I don't see you doing flame breaths and wing buffets in mortal form with the skeleton to not support it plus the lack of wings. Maybe it'll be a brief transform and back like some demon hunter moments? But it sounds more like Worgen.

The way it's worded though, it says. "choosing between a humanoid visage, and a fearsome draconic form to battle foes and overcome obstacles". The "choosing between a humanoid visage, and a fearsome draconic form". Makes me think both are a combat option and it won't be like worgen.

[Kiivar86]

It's essentially big elemental proto drakes:


The tier sets are based on them.

There we are then.

Also answers my own question (thougH I didn't post it) about why some of the tier sets seemed kinda grey and wispy, as I thought they were based on our dragonflights but nope, based on those guys instead. Neat!

[Izalla]

Not ragging on you but why is everyone skipping the Talent revamp when listing things?

It is the entire "new system" that every other system has tried to pretend to be and which has gone away at the end of each expac that people have been complaining about since Legion.

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[Alanar]

It literally says "choosing draconic form to battle foes". Blizz won't bother making new animations for the humanoid version, don't be ridiculous.

Ye, was reading the same thing. It's literally worgen.. go in combat, quickly switch stuff like that.

Sure you can wolf out and hang around in stormwind, these guys will work exactly the same.

[PomPomPop]

FUCK YEAH!!! You can freely choose for combat. IM SOLD

You are reading it wrong, unfortunately. Form is for combat. Visage is for looks.
With the Evoker class gameplay, the Dracthyr needs to be able to fly and there are no wings presented with the humanoid 'visage'.

(I'll gladly be proven wrong about this because it sucks!)

[Sharby]

Mate I don't know if you know this, generally lizards have no visible secondary sexual characteristics.

Why does it matter though? Dragons aren't real.


Making something look good should always take top priority over any "realism."

Also WoW has never had a genderless race before for what I feel is a good reason, it really just isn't appealing. It essentially halves any sort of features or customization.

Based off of what they've shown it feels very difficult to make a distinctive character, let alone one that feels personal at all. Only being able to be elf or human in the mortal form is also pretty terrible. If they were going to make the dragonform have a uniform appearance, I would expect the plethora of features to be put into their other appearance. But right now its just losses and no gains.

Such limitations should not exist.

And to be completely clear, I have zero issues with androgyny or non-binary folk, and I also admit that WoW has had a bad problem with sexual-dimorphism, that being said this is a leap in the wrong direction and completely ruins the race for me.

[Keyalios]

Weird that the black dragonflight isn’t part of the DPS or Heals spec. I wonder if they scrapped a tanking spec. Guess I can hold out hope it would come in a patch a la FFXIV since they are doing so many new things.