Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

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Idk my standards are higher than just "good enough." Demon Hunters worked good as "race"/class combo because their demon/elf forms were completely unique (correct me if wrong) and something we had not seen before. It felt super high quality and well done even if the elf forms were just a modified model.

But this stuff just rubs me the wrong way, it is still preliminary and I know that but just at its core.

I think the first step needs to be giving the race their own rigging, it is quite inexcusable to give a new race (note: not allied race) a reused skeleton, it just lends to it looking cheap and off-putting. Second step needs to be stuff like beards/jewlerly/tattoos etc etc, and the drake form NEEDS to be able to equip armor.

I have faith in the Dev team to make changes because they've been really stellar with feedback lately so I'm sure the final product will be something I can get behind, but man the first impression is awful.

All fair enough. I don't disagree with some of your criticisms at all—I like the invisible dimorphism, but I do find the lack of customization awkward. On the other hand, this may open up opportunities like Nerubians down the line, too, which is something I'm all for. The removal of the limitations of armor is kind of nice and could give us things like Naga, Nerubians, etc., which I'm sure everybody would like.

It is very awkward they made them look like discount Blood Elves, for sure. I'd probably have made them something else, perhaps more elaborate and interesting. I'd have preferred if they just gave us actual Dragons.

[Keyalios]

I’m beginning to wonder if something is going on at Blizz. Obv the buyout is coming but between the unionization, walkouts, protests, and press this looks far less finished and polished than I would expect for an expac they put their current one on the back burner for. The more I look at it the less impressed I am.

[Malorne the White Stag]

You know what eff the Drakthyr I want Tuskarr for the Alliance and Gnolls for the Horde.

They even gave us woman tuskarr. Just go that extra step and make them playable.

[Buliwyf the Omen]

Honestly the more I look at the talent system, the more I am baffled.

You have to invest talent points to get basic things like Rake or Rejuvenation back. LOL.

[Deventh]

You know what eff the Drakthyr I want Tuskarr for the Alliance and Gnolls for the Horde.

Imagine getting gnolls and tuskars before Nagas and Ogres. Just no words. Probably will happen, too.

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I think one of the best outcomes of the new race/class is that it breaks down barriers that we players conceived as immutable. Nothing based on race or class is off the table. I just hope that when it comes to customization and new toys, we don't have to continue to wait years to get them. Though, I wouldn't hold my breath on that.

I'm hoping this means Nerubians or Naga could be a thing. All the conventions have gone out the window. I'm far more excited about the potential of the new barrier-breaking than this race in particular.

[Izalla]

Anyone else notice all the mobs that we were missing for a world revamp? Gnolls and Centaurs especially.

That is exactly what I noticed the moment I heard the word centaur. I was like "okay and where are my gnolls?! 11.0 revamp likelihood reaching maximum levels!"

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Another leaker said it cannibalized arcane mages. Nothing was mentioned that it was a combo of the flights. In addition, Drakthyr weren’t being touted as being locked with the Evoker, so people assumed it was going to be a spellcaster, not a dragon.

Also a lot of this concept comes from Alexstraza HotS. So yeah, Bards still off the table.

Lol yes, Alexstaza of the Emerald Dream. You go on and keep your silly rules and they will continue to fail just like your firm belief that the Tinker was the next class.

[Revamp Man]

Why turn into a humanoid at all then? The entire point of a dragon visage is personal choice.

its not really them choosing
as far as we know this is how they came out
they have two forms from birth

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Honestly the more I look at the talent system, the more I am baffled.

You have to invest talent points to get basic things like Rake or Rejuvenation back. LOL.

That does sound a tad bit like they're just pruning abilities and moving them to talents. It seems illusory in nature, which is one of my thoughts on a lot of this. There seems to be a lot of superficial change, but aside from the race, nothing really that groundbreaking.

[Sondrelk]

Honestly the more I look at the talent system, the more I am baffled.

You have to invest talent points to get basic things like Rake or Rejuvenation back. LOL.

Most of it seems to be intended to emulate the older levelling experience. Shouldnt actually impact you much at all at endgame.

[Teriz]

What was hard about adding the right version too? Why i have to play a soy boy skinny dragon humanoid that can only be human or elf? wth

Again, sorry to those who wanted Drakonoids and/or Dragonsworn.

[ClassicPeon]

Honestly the more I look at the talent system, the more I am baffled.

You have to invest talent points to get basic things like Rake or Rejuvenation back. LOL.

You have never actually laid eyes upon a the old talent trees before have you?

[Revamp Man]

Another leaker said it cannibalized arcane mages. Nothing was mentioned that it was a combo of the flights. In addition, Drakthyr weren’t being touted as being locked with the Evoker, so people assumed it was going to be a spellcaster, not a dragon.

Also a lot of this concept comes from Alexstraza HotS. So yeah, Bards still off the table.

you are the only one that said it cannibalized any other class

the only thing mentioned was that it had some arcane mage elements and there was even a multi page discussion about that meaning time magic

[bruxx]

The new race/class and some of the other features seem interesting, but God! Those zones, or at least what they showed, seemed lackluster, just the same old reused Elf/Troll assets we've seen in a dozen zones before. In fact that one zone, they were showing I thought was Azsuna, before they said it was entirely new.

I agree, I'm super hyped for the class, but it feels like that art design is stagnating a bit to me. The new capital just feels strongly suramarish to me, and each zone shown was an instant "This feels like X place!". It's not a deal breaker, and I'm happy these zones are not kul tiras gray, but I wasn't wowed from what we saw.

[Izalla]

Honestly the more I look at the talent system, the more I am baffled.

You have to invest talent points to get basic things like Rake or Rejuvenation back. LOL.

I think it is less about getting them "back" and more about getting them at all. Like you have oodles of points to pick what you want instead if right now where you only get to choose 1/3 things and if you want two things off that tier well shit outta luck buddy

[Syegfryed]

ITs a fucking shame this will be the 10.0 milestone, instead of something great we got something "ok" with a lame demon hunter 2.0

[Wangming]

its not really them choosing
as far as we know this is how they came out
they have two forms from birth

No. For the dragons they pick their own humanoid form. There was a whole short story about it to explain the Chromie name fuckup.

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See, they look great...in combat. Standing still I feel like I'm looking at some degenerate in a scalie suit at a con.

And no, not in an "anthro bad, updoots to the left" way. Proportions wise they seem too "normal adult human in a suit" compared to a Worgen or Vulpera. They should be bulkier.

That's what I've always thought. I still do feel offput about the weird faces, too. I don't like how they look so cartoonish and generally harmless. Their faces are too soft and their movements are too humanlike. It definitely looks like it was designed by an anthro.

[Revamp Man]

Again, sorry to those who wanted Drakonoids and/or Dragonsworn.

depending on the playstyle it might not be as bad as i think but the empowered spells...eh