Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Matticus777]

The Watcher showed more emotion and story development in a few minutes than the Jailer did in a whole fucking expansion

[Keyalios]

Imagine of that's happening and they didn't bother mentioning it. The marketing team is that incompetent.

This is a massive, massive amount of copium but maybe they are going to slowly release new info. Maybe that’s why preorders aren’t up. Maybe they have a lot of plans but since it isn’t even in Alpha yet (and lord I hope those dragon models change in Alpha and Beta) they don’t want to announce anything, scrap it, and then say “Sorry this is another Path of the Titans and Dance Studio.”

I’m hopeful. So I think so? Hell no it’s another two spec class for a class that should be 3 minimum and 4-5 maximum. But I’ll hope. The lack of preorders does mean to me that SOMETHING is going on behind the scenes. Hopefully it’s Danuser and Ion getting a talking to.

[Nymrohd]

Quillboar? or have they been done already.

Got an entire storyline in Kul Tiras including graphic revamp of most of their environment objects

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The Watcher showed more emotion and story development in a few minutes than the Jailer did in a whole fucking expansion

Surprised we did not get his name. Expect to be hanging out with him in Tyrhold.

[Chickat]

I am, without any sarcasm, going to say that if this had been a world revamp expansion, then this would have been close to my ideal expansion. The Dragon Isles are cool though, and have a lot of verticality, so I am willing to let that small bit slide.

Well all that and also a removal of transmog restrictions on armor. But who knows, this expansion has had so many things I thought would never happen, so maybe I will get my wish on that too.

Same. It looks good just not as ambitious as I wanted. Add housing and. World revamp and I could die happy. I'm still overall satisfied especially as more info releases but I hoped for more.

[Buliwyf the Omen]

I was talking about the feeling in me that just says, this is what we are going to get.

I don't think we can really judge like that as I don't even know wtf I am even going to do on the dragon isles, I mean probably more of the same right?
I am not going to ride my dragon the whole day..

Probably yeah.

But I dont really see how thats terribly bad tbh.

Back in the day during WotLK / Cata / MoP days I could just PvP and duel every day for months and I would not get tired.

Because the Class Design was just so well made.

I think thats their prime focus this Expansion, which is why it might look so featureless. People put far too little emphasis on the revamped talent system.

[Nebron]

Covenants were a grind, yes. But they offered a lot of content. Variety. And as I said, ambition. Was all of it good? Hell no.

But where is the ambition with Dragonflight? There is just no ambition at all. It feels like the most basic expansion with a tuned down race/class combo. There is no ambition. Talent tree revamp when you had all of that before? Legion was ambitious with artifacts. Heck even Torghast was. Where is the ambition in Dragonflight? I just don’t see it. And that’s what’s concerning for me. I still like the setting. But where is Blizzard’s attempt of doing something different or new or fresh?

Not trying to play a devil's advocate in case of it's failure, but maybe that's the way? Maybe keeping it as simple as possible (lazy/ non-ambitious) and then adding more fresh and cool content around it is a a key?

After all it's being overambitious is what kills the expansion - they funnel a lot of efforts into systems that are impossible to get balanced, like covenant alike systems - and therefore they lose a lot of precious time for development. Same with Warfronts and Torghast. Good ideas not only wasted, but also taking away that time, that could be used to polish whatever actually works.

I just hope that the approach of 'pruning' the game of ambitious content will eventually provide even more proper and likeable stuff

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Ok i'm back home so I'll give my opinion on this:

I liked what I saw, only a bit saddened about the dracthyr exclusivity, also happy that they are keeping tier sets and bringing back talent trees. I like the new zones and I'm happy for dragons.

What I'm annoyed about is what didn't get shown, we got no info about endgame content (pvp, pve or open world). While im really glad there isn't any borrowed power system, there doesn't seem to be a cosmetic only substitute for covenants for each flight, as well as an evolution to the Expedition/Thorghast system. They also gave very little info in general. So right now with the info we have (and we are definitely missing a lot) I have a bit of a harder time imagining what my daily wow sessions will look like.

I'm not saying this is bad as they definitely decided to show less than they plan to have in the expansion, which might end up being good. Hope for a fast alpha. It also might be a fact that systems they didn't mention is because they will stay the same (raiding, mythic+, leveling alts in threads of fate).

BUT ARE WE NOT GETTING A MAX LEVEL ZONE?

In general, I am still really excited for the expansion. Returning to azeroth, beautiful zones, dragonriding looks dope and all else. I'm also very curious about the various foes we will face in Dragon Isles.

My guess for alpha would be shortly after the last announcement they teased last month (mobile game), so second half of may. Starting out in second half of may with the Dracthyr starting zone and maybe The Waking shore and then new zone every 2 weeks.

Based on amount of new systems I guess it might be a shorter alpha/beta cycle.
@Scaleface said that the release date would be 22.11. but I kinda doubt it, not impossible but not probable since they would state on or before Dec 31 (or does that go up with preorderd, the on or before)

The lack of any talk about endgame is super worrying because it's not like Shadowlands had a good endgame that you can just trim around the edges on and shove back out. The Vault was a nightmare, the Conduits were a nightmare, the Legendaries ended up being something of a nightmare (especially once you could double them up), the sockets in 9.1 were a nightmare, sounds like gearing in 9.2 was a nightmare.

Hopefully it was just time constraints and they are going to be reworking endgame, because if they just shove SL's endgame back out at us then that's going to drag Dragonflight to unplayable for me.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

The Watcher showed more emotion and story development in a few minutes than the Jailer did in a whole fucking expansion

Fave new character I love him (Apparently he's named Koranos)

[Nymrohd]

Same. It looks good just not as ambitious as I wanted. Add housing and. World revamp and I could die happy. I'm still overall satisfied especially as more info releases but I hoped for more.

Yeah it just lacks a signature feature. THere is nothing like the Garrison or the Artifacts and class halls.

[therumblings]

I wonder what the whole Living World thing in the files was about.

[Chickat]

Not a wise idea given my pallor. I don't know anything for sure, but I'm starting to think that something's wrong with me after I sparkled when I stepped into the sunlight yesterday.

Bella is that you?

[Makorus]

Every single time they tried to be ambitious it backfired.

All the expansions that are considered great don't have anything that would be considered ambitious.

hmmmm

[Shadochi]

That talent revamp sure is meaty and needs a lot of testing. And most importantly NEEDS for them to listen to feedback.

Yes I agree, but not all classes are necessarily done by the same team. And they need to do that almost every expac with borrowed power. They aren't revamping all the specs just putting in a rank system to talent trees. It definitely doesn't require a 8 month test phase for just that IMO.

Also, I hope the zones are HUGE like how the devs were framing them

[Khaza-R]

It’s our last hope for WoW 20th anniversary. If it doesn’t come then, it will never come and the world revamp dream will be dead

Human buildings still missing. Along with them touching on random mobs not hit in the BfA model update. There's still hope for 11.0

[jallfo]

Same feeling here and sad part is that the vet in us is pretty much always right.
Right now I am hoping, we DO get some more playable races, but the vet in me says dude stfu this is it.

Yea I mean I'll 100% play it for sure simply because expansion launch is the best shit ever. But based on what we've seen so far (which is, objectively, what we can judge it on) it doesn't look like it'll have an endgame loop that will keep people around.

If there is little to no up-keep I'll be able to play a shitload of alts which is great, but that's only fun if there are things to do. I hope we get some more info on dungeons and endgame soon.

The lack of them being able to show any of this has me concerned this will be late into 2023 and not early 2023 as I had originally predicted.

[Rathwell]

Looking through my wish list and checking off what I wanted, versus what we got...

Realizing the expansion is extremely light on content, so far.

- New race and class which are heavily locked down
- 4 zones + starting area for the new race/class
- Dragon riding
- Talent overhaul
- UI overhaul
- Profession revamp

Has there been an expansion with less/equal features on announcement? Maybe MoP?

New race and class, not locked down
Scenarios,
Challenge Mode dungeons,
Pet battles,
new talent systems and abilities as you level up,
6 leveling zones to start, and a max level zones + starting area for new race
6 new dungeon + 3 remade dungeons


I think MoP may also have had new race/class combos? I don't recall

[Raetary]

It’s funny that you think this way when it actually offers a new class/race. So is the new class/race so lacking and basic? Or what’s the issue? I cannot comprehend it yet. Something‘s just missing for me.

Class is nice, but it's not a feature that offers a different mode of gameplay.
It's something i play as to do the things that are available.

The class isn't something i do, like Torghast, Warfronts/Isles, Mage tower, Garrison etc.
And that's what the expansion is lacking.

[m4Zzo928]

I wonder what the whole Living World thing in the files was about.

wasn't that part of a leak? Think it said we'd restore parts of Azeroth.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Bella is that you?

I'm more of the Nosferatu breed, facewise.

[Cheezits]

It looks like the Bronze area is closed off and patch bait. Maybe we’re going to get an Island of Time or a giant underground Cavern of Time 2?