Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Zexaniro]

I‘m not against that, but we have an example for an expansion that’s not ambitious: WoD. And then we have Shadowlands, which is basically WoD but overambitious. You could add Cataclysm if you ignore the revamp and see what an expansion without features gets.

All expansion’s that look like Dragonflight just were kinda flat. And I do not agree that it looks like MoP. MoP had a ton of new stuff that’s been way more ambitious than anything in DF. Revamped talents. True new class. A real new race. Challenge mode. A continent that had what, 7 zones?

Dragonflight just feels like the bare minimum they had to do while not even trying to leave their comfort zone. That’s why I am disappointed.

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Legion? You serious?

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This sounds quite plausible.

completely agree. it feels like 10.0 was when they needed to be as ambitious as previous xpacs (cata, legion) especially considering the state blizzard and the game are in right now. people were obviously expecting more in quantity, instead we got the same formulaic four zones and new class, nothing truly new to get excited for that would contribute to the health of the game - I can see why people are disappointed.

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, Legion, the expansion that was garbage until 7.2.

Legions ambitions were the reason it almost crashed and burned, and it only turned good once it got completely neutered.

Really? I'd say 7.2 was the weakest point in Legion. I guess you still run Nighthold and also had Mage Tower but the mount campaigns were far weaker than the class hall campaigns in terms of lore and impact (and a third of the class hall campaigns were already weak to begin with) and Broken Shore is one of the worst mid xpac zones, imo only better than Korthia. Cathedral was meh and then ToS . . . I am sorry but I found ToS mediocre at best.

[Zankai27]

Range DPS and Healer only. Black just doesn't have a role.

Black is featured in the base abilities, seemingly. They've said repeatedly all 5 flights are present in the kit. As a Dragonsworn stan, who never believed anything like it would happen, I could not be more delighted.

Also, on topic:

Not to rub anything in people's faces, but this whole thing played out just like it always does. Shocker.

[Nyel]

This expansion and SL are smaller because they are working on something big behind the scenes, the human housing in SL, Nelf and Forsaken story teasers in 9.2.5 and continued reworking of old vanilla models like dragons, dragonspawn and centaurs is proof enough. The faction stories also seem to be taking a break yet again.

We’ll see if WoW survives until 11.0 for it to be worth it.

I‘ve heard this for 10.0 already. It‘s major copium if we’re honest.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I hate this Presentation style, the Information Vacuum it leaves behind is just damaging for PR and Marketing while also just leading to widespread panic. I genuinely can't stress how much I loathe this direction from the Marketing Department.

Thankfully Swolinka will be talking with Bajheera in 2 hours and 20 minutes for PVP. So there's that I guess.

Anyways, I can see 11.0 being good with this expansion as a stepping stone. I kind of didn't have much expectation once I realized the Production Pipeline and Company was on fire with high attrition rate and well this reveal showcased that pretty clearly.

[Nymrohd]

That's a fairly meaningless statement. 4 zones tells us how much diversity there is, but not how much content.

I honestly would love if xpacs could be less front loaded. Add a lot more questing as the expac goes on.

[Nyel]

I hate this Presentation style, the Information Vacuum it leaves behind is just damaging for PR and Marketing while also just leading to widespread panic. I genuinely can't stress how much I loathe this direction from the Marketing Department.

Thankfully Swolinka will be talking with Bajheera in 2 hours and 20 minutes for PVP. So there's that I guess.

Anyways, I can see 11.0 being good with this expansion as a stepping stone. I kind of didn't have much expectation once I realized the Production Pipeline and Company was on fire with high attrition rate and well this reveal showcased that pretty clearly.

But haven’t you heard about the different colors of the trees in the Steppes?

[Nightshade711]

I was disappointed we didn’t get a “features overview trailer” like usual.

Surely they had enough to make one not feel empty with everything they’re adding.

[Chickat]

Lol.
Right.

That restriction is not gonna last.

It probably will until 11.0.

[Sondrelk]

???

Legion had its problems, but it was pretty much unanimously praised from 7.0 on.

Legion never, ever was in danger of crashing. Never.

You clearly never played the version of Legion where you spent weeks, if not months, or even several patches trying in vain to get your best Legiondary, or worse still your best and second best.
Nor for that matter 7.2, which still holds the title of worst attempt at a storyline a patch has ever attempted to conjure up.

M+ was awful until they fixed the first version of the keystone system. Grinding AP was absolutely horrendous, and made even worse if you attempted to gear a different spec, or worse an alt. The first raid was far too easy, so everyone just sat around waiting for Nighthold.

Legion had loads of problems, but we forgive it now because by the end it had fixed them, and BfA was worse than the end result. This is how pretty much every expansion ever has worked.

[Dejiko]

Hey, do not discard Dragon people getting other classes in the future. Once they have contact with the rest of the world, they can learn new stuff.

Seems unlikely as demon hunters are still locked to only elves.
Death knights were opened up to new races and received a new eye glow i think?

Beyond general race specific character model updates, no hero class added to the game has received additional and class specific customization.

[Iain]

Why is this thread still open?

[Buliwyf the Omen]

You clearly never played the version of Legion where you spent weeks, if not months, or even several patches trying in vain to get your best Legiondary, or worse still your best and second best.
Nor for that matter 7.2, which still holds the title of worst attempt at a storyline a patch has ever attempted to conjure up.

M+ was awful until they fixed the first version of the keystone system. Grinding AP was absolutely horrendous, and made even worse if you attempted to gear a different spec, or worse an alt. The first raid was far too easy, so everyone just sat around waiting for Nighthold.

Legion had loads of problems, but we forgive it now because by the end it had fixed them, and BfA was worse than the end result. This is how pretty much every expansion ever has worked.

I know people hate the phrase but man, they have so many rose-tinted Glasses about Legion specifically.

Spec focused Class Design (which was horrible, no toggleable Shadow Form, no Traps as a HUNTER!, etc.), random Legendary Drops, the general on-going pruning from the Class to Spec focus. Artifact and Aspect Power grind, sheesh.

It was freaking horrible. I am still surprised its ranking as high as it is for so many for some reason.

[Jodmos]

Why is this thread still open?

Yes. Onto 10.x patch and 11.0 speculation thread...

maybe Fahrad isn't about to make it

[Raetary]

Have Satyrs been done yet? Dryads? Dragonspawn maybe. I can't recall which ones they've done

Dryads and Satyrs both in Legion.

Dragonspawn will probably get it done in DF.

[GhostCo]

I'm sure we will be filling out bars or reps for endgame grind, along with the other normal raids and m+. I don't think we need to have something Torgast and the maw in Dragonflight.

I assume the dragon customization will have a lot of grindy bits. Its great to know we will don't have to grind endgame for player powers, i.e artifacts, soulbinds, etc.

[Nymrohd]

Why is this thread still open?

The thread stays open as the general thread of the beta for the entire beta cycle.

[Khaza-R]

Dryads and Satyrs both in Legion.

Dragonspawn will probably get it done in DF.

Speaking of.

I noticed of the dyrads had a kneeling animation. Is that new or has it always been there.

[Jodmos]

I know people hate the phrase but man, they have so many rose-tinted Glasses about Legion specifically.

Spec focused Class Design (which was horrible, no toggleable Shadow Form, no Traps as a HUNTER!, etc.), random Legendary Drops, the general on-going pruning from the Class to Spec focus. Artifact and Aspect Power grind, sheesh.

It was freaking horrible. I am still surprised its ranking as high as it is for so many for some reason.

The spec focus was a thing I hated having played a hunter since the year dot it was irking to lose abilities.

[Nyel]

You clearly never played the version of Legion where you spent weeks, if not months, or even several patches trying in vain to get your best Legiondary, or worse still your best and second best.
Nor for that matter 7.2, which still holds the title of worst attempt at a storyline a patch has ever attempted to conjure up.

M+ was awful until they fixed the first version of the keystone system. Grinding AP was absolutely horrendous, and made even worse if you attempted to gear a different spec, or worse an alt. The first raid was far too easy, so everyone just sat around waiting for Nighthold.

Legion had loads of problems, but we forgive it now because by the end it had fixed them, and BfA was worse than the end result. This is how pretty much every expansion ever has worked.

I played Legion from launch on and yes, there were issues and complaints, but it rarely mattered because we were overwhelmed with content. There was so much stuff to do and what we’ve got that the issues were just overshadowed.

Legion was received way better than BfA and Shadowlands and there’s a reason for that. Even with all the issues, the expansion was just great from certain aspects. Something that can be said about BfA and SL maybe, but definitely not in that regard. Legion just covered up its issues way better. Did it work? Absolutely.