Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nyel]

You were also overwhelmed with content in BfA and SL. Even more content than in Legion, so I don't really see how that makes sense.

And it all still comes down to the question of what Legion had, that Dragonflight won't have.
It won't have artifacts, but that also means no AP grind. It won't have class questlines, but that also means more content for a singular player instead of being thinly spread.
I guess it doesnt seem to have a Suramar equivalent, but that is a small thing in the grand scheme.

Uhm… I think having artifacts and the AP grind is better than to have none of that.

Did Legion really have less content because of the class quests? I really don’t think so. But I played many classes and always had enough to do, so not sure about that. And calling Suramar a small thing… BfA had no endgame zone and it showed. SL‘s endgame zone was terrible and it showed. Isn’t there a reason why people were praising Suramar so much? Sure, it wasn’t perfect, but it was pretty epic. Now another expansion without an endgame zone? It just feels wrong imho.

[Makabreska]

Ah, there it is. The Sylvanas haters. So you guys only disliked it because it was Sylvanas. Now it all makes sense.

And you like it only because she was there. So I guess we are even here.

[Deventh]

Sylvanas avatar detected. Opinion rejected.

[Teriz]

Am I the only one liking that Dracthyr are only Evokers, and them only being an Elf and female Human?

I'm fine with it as well. I would have preferred it being open to all races, but it's whatever.

[Deventh]

And you like it only because she was there. so I guess we are even here.

No, I literally like all cinematics Blizzard has done, except the Dragonflight one which was just underwhelming compared to everything else they've done, even in WC3 and Diablo.

[Nyel]

Speak for yourself, legion was the only expansion that made me quit, simply because of the whole legiondary situation.

You’ve been in the minority then. There’s a reason why Legion is rated or seen as the second climax of WoW.

[Nebron]

I‘m not against that, but we have an example for an expansion that’s not ambitious: WoD. And then we have Shadowlands, which is basically WoD but overambitious. You could add Cataclysm if you ignore the revamp and see what an expansion without features gets.

All expansion’s that look like Dragonflight just were kinda flat. And I do not agree that it looks like MoP. MoP had a ton of new stuff that’s been way more ambitious than anything in DF. Revamped talents. True new class. A real new race. Challenge mode. A continent that had what, 7 zones?

Dragonflight just feels like the bare minimum they had to do while not even trying to leave their comfort zone. That’s why I am disappointed.

Well, I beg to differ. I mean, I also feel a little bit meh, I'm totally missing that one selling point. I wouldn't call the Dragon Riding a fully-fledged system, more like a cool feature fitting the theme. I felt like there was no counterpart for progression system - talent revamp is just that - revamp - there's nothing innovative about that to be honest.

Nevertheless:

1) Cataclysm was absolutely the most ambitious project they have taken upon their shoulders - and it was too heavy. Lack of content was the result. A prime example of being over-ambitious.
2) WoD - well, there was a garrison, which eventually got changed into an abomination of what it supposed to be. Also, as we already know, A LOT of content has been simply cut to rush for Legion.
3) BfA Warfronts and complicated azerite system killed it in the run.
4) Shadowlands, well, it doesn't really require any commentary.

My guess, with a tank of hopium on the side is that they certainly are fearful that the history will repeat itself in a vicious circle and were less brave than usually. They didn't bet on one card, instead took a safe and lazy approach. And that is why I believe it might have been a better choice. Maybe, just maybe, we will be able to see much more growth, and steady pace of releasing the content when there is not much pressure to pull everything off as it's supposed to be just to repair everything later when it's actually too late.

We do not know the story, nor villan. No BIG ANNOUNCEMENT that could backfire, which happened with the lasr two expansions. They have literally open gates, quite a few possibilites of where to go with that. My bet is on more patches with actual content, like till 10.4 with regular cadence for releases.

[Cheezits]

At this point it’s 100% copium to expect Dracthyr to get other classes. It’s not going to happen.

No, I’d say it has a chance. Outside of Monk animations they wouldn’t really clip with their animations too much.

Adding the horns and tattoos to every race is what will never happen.

[Raetary]

Did we not get Furbolg already in Legion?

Not an update, no.
It's still low poly.
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=93578/smolderhide-hunter

[Santandame]

Well, that's it over for another two years then guys.

It's crazy. I was so expecting to feel vindicated and hyped this evening. But I don't feel that now. I'm not hyped like I was for Legion, and BfA and even WoD after their announcements. And I don't feel indifferent like I did with Shadowlands. I feel a tad down and underwhelmed. I was so hyped for the Dragon Isles, and playable Dragonmen; and what we've gotten just doesn't feel as good as we could have and should have gotten. That's it, its over. It's not still a potential hook and discussion for future installments, like Tinker, Emerald Dream, South Seas(if BfA doesn't count), Tel'abim, Bard, Black Empire etc. We've got something that the community has hyped for years and years, and it just feels lesser than what it could have been - at least to me.

I was also really, really hoping for the world revamp, and with each expansion coming and going, I feel like our chance of ever getting it gets slimmer and slimmer.

I'm happy for all of you that are buzzing and hyped for Evoker's and Dracthyr. I wish I could get behind it too, but it just isn't for me.

I love the profession revamp, as well as the dragon riding. But everything else just feels hollow to me. No flying Dragon Isles, no proper aspect themed zones, no Vrykul, seemingly no Infinites, or Galakrond, or Vrykul. Dracthyr only able to play as Evoker's and vice versa. I was hoping for an expansion on timewalking - it felt like the perfect time lorewise, with the Bronze flight.

The silver lining is the MoP vibe its giving us.

I'm not writing the expansion off, and I'm going to play it for sure. I'll reserve true judgement for the alpha/beta where hopefully more features will be shown to us like expanded timewalking, more customisation for existing races, maybe some more bg's, an iteration on torghast/visions/mage tower etc.

It just feels hollow at the moment, I really hope that changes. This is the first I've felt this way after an announcement.

[Nyel]

It's 100% copium and I'm sure a lot of the same folks saying that will just say "12.0 for sure" after it doesn't happen then.

Much as I want a revamp I think the devs honestly say "Chromie Time solved leveling, we can now hide the awkwardness of our serial-revamping of single zones at a time by funneling people into later expansions."

Yeah I find it funny how everybody who was expecting a revamp for 10.0 (I was always warning to be carful with that expectation) is just brushing it off and saying now that it will come on 11.0 or whenever, lol.

It’s not going to happen.

[Villager720]

Am I the only one liking that Dracthyr are only Evokers, and them only being an Elf and female Human?

Certainly not the only one, but you're definitely in the minority.

[[Apok]]

Ah, there it is. The Sylvanas haters. So you guys only disliked it because it was Sylvanas. Now it all makes sense.

Depends what you see as a sylvanas hater, The character itself was fine up until bfa/SL when danuser got to have his waifu fanfic.

The whole story of bfa/shadowlands has been getting worse and worse, and the fact we still have no clue or resolution behind the major villains motivations or anything.

And his whole flip flop from evil megalomaniac that wants to dominate and control everything, to preparing for another threat for millenia upon millenia, only for that to then disappear like a fart in the wind because some dragons have gone back home.

[Sondrelk]

Uhm… I think having artifacts and the AP grind is better than to have none of that.

Did Legion really have less content because of the class quests? I really don’t think so. But I played many classes and always had enough to do, so not sure about that. And calling Suramar a small thing… BfA had no endgame zone and it showed. SL‘s endgame zone was terrible and it showed. Isn’t there a reason why people were praising Suramar so much? Sure, it wasn’t perfect, but it was pretty epic. Now another expansion without an endgame zone? It just feels wrong imho.

I would have to disagree on the AP thing. For one the grind in Legion was long and boring, especially for player power.
It does seem like we have grinds like it in Dragonflight, just not tied to player power, so we don't actually lose anything in that sense if it ends up like I think it will.

And yes, a lack of an endgame zone is annoying, but we do also comparatively get more zones later in the expansion, and zones now tend to be designed in such a way as to leave room in them for you to come back at max level and explore. Which is espeically important with the open world being much more in the focus.

[bagina]

And you like it only because she was there. So I guess we are even here.

Obnoxious much? Of course the trailer would've been awesome regardless of who was in Sylvanas' place. It could've been Garrosh and it would've been just as good. Dragonflight on the other hand was aggressively uneventful.

[pinglong]

Blizzard has been pretty clear that Shadowlands was not ended early though and they always intended it to be 3 raid tiers. So the only thing cut would be story elements or filler content from the existing patches.

There is an unused portal in Ardenweald with a place holder summon stone, it's pretty obvious a Drust raid was scrapped.

[Dracullus]

Am I the only one liking that Dracthyr are only Evokers, and them only being an Elf and female Human?

It's literally same situation as Demon Hunters, but this time with ranged/heal specs. Yeah, DH used 2 existing races, but 99% of us customized them to look different than regular Belf/Nelf anyway. But of course Evokers don't have 15 years build up, which of course reduce hype.

[Zyrinx]

Am I the only one liking that Dracthyr are only Evokers, and them only being an Elf and female Human?

Yep.

10 chars.....

[Nyel]

No, I’d say it has a chance. Outside of Monk animations they wouldn’t really clip with their animations too much.

Adding the horns and tattoos to every race is what will never happen.

Right now it’s as likely as an Ogre allied race or a world revamp.

[Deventh]

Depends what you see as a sylvanas hater, The character itself was fine up until bfa/SL when danuser got to have his waifu fanfic.

The whole story of bfa/shadowlands has been getting worse and worse, and the fact we still have no clue or resolution behind the major villains motivations or anything.

And his whole flip flop from evil megalomaniac that wants to dominate and control everything, to preparing for another threat for millenia upon millenia, only for that to then disappear like a fart in the wind because some dragons have gone back home.

Afrasiabi was in charge of Sylvanas and where her story went. Denuser is literally in charge from now (Dragonflight) and Sylvanas is nowhere to be seen. So, you are wrong.