Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Buliwyf the Omen]

Certainly not the only one, but you're definitely in the minority.

Or its the vocal minority that dislikes it again.

I can see why people dont like limited class options but I am a sucker for these little RPG things.

Although in the end it wouldnt matter for me if there were gnomes or orcs with scales too outside of Combat.

[Amstrup]

It looks good and all, but im still underwhelmed, but it's probably my fault.
i REALY wanted some orcs, knights, elfs and wizards set in revamped EK and kalimdor.

TBH, i probably just want WoW2.

[Blayze]

Thing is, if the dragon form is the only combat form, then the illusion could be ANYTHING.

[Sharby]

Ah, there it is. The Sylvanas haters. So you guys only disliked it because it was Sylvanas. Now it all makes sense.

You're delusional if you think its unreasonable to have Sylvanas fatigue post BFA going into yet another cinematic that she narrates and is featured in lol.

[Destinas]

This expansion and SL are smaller because they are working on something big behind the scenes, the human housing in SL, Nelf and Forsaken story teasers in 9.2.5 and continued reworking of old vanilla models like dragons, dragonspawn and centaurs is proof enough. The faction stories also seem to be taking a break yet again.

We’ll see if WoW survives until 11.0 for it to be worth it.

They're not building up to anything major just because of updated models. They've been revamping old models for quite a while now. They just use them in the next patch/expansion when they do that.

Troggs, yetis, quillboar, and Dire Trolls were all updated and they were used in BfA. Dryads and Keepers were updated in Legion, and they were seen a lot there.

Most demons were updated because we kept seeing them around. We saw updates to the Succubus, imp, voidwalker, voidlord, felhunter, felguard, wrathguard, and others.

Most of the elementals have been updated here and there, being used in different content since then.

Most critters and a lot of battle pets have had their models redone. Rabbits, cats, rats, frogs, turtles, crows, seagulls, eagles, etc.

Lots of other animals have been updated as well, or they have had some sort of HD remake while the old models still exist. Like kodos, bears, saber cats, horses, crabs, gryphons, hippogryphs, wyverns, etc.

Lots of skins that apply to player races in the files were revamped in HD as well during WoD, like Earthen, the cultists skins for humans and gnomes, whitemane's skin, leper gnomes, dark irons (which got another update in BfA), Mag'har, Grimtotem, Druids of the Flame, Dark Rangers, etc.

Now we have updated Gnolls, Centaur, Tuskarr, and dragon-related creatures.

They're just doing it to freshen up the game along the way. It makes it much prettier to see a creature that looks more in line with other recent models, rather than a prairie dog with 6 triangles as its only model.

Dragonflight and SL are smaller because of many factors, with a world-wide pandemic and a huge scandal in the company that has led to investigations as the largest. There have been many people fired and replaced in Blizzard. They will be part of Microsoft soon. Their policies in the workplace have completely changed. It's been chaos for Blizzard for a couple years now.

We can see these changes in other Blizzard games as well. Overwatch hasn't had a new playable hero since April 2020. Their next hero will come out in OW2, which the release has been pushed back. They added one new map for the first time in years, and it was a Deathmatch map that most people don't see. Most of the changes they want to do in OW are being saved for OW2. The Lunar event this year only had 2 new skins, and the anniversary event has been combined into the Archives, Anniversary, and Summer events specifically so they can take time to work on OW2. Te skins released for this event are white recolors of other skins, and the weekly events are older skins that many people earned before.

Blizzard is drowning with their head barely above water. They're updating and using old models because it makes the world prettier, and it requires a lot less effort.

[Dejiko]

In BFA, DK was opened to Pandaren and all allied races.

Yes as mentioned but nothing about the class specific customization changed, same with demon hunters.
They don`t have a track record of doing much with hero classes that have been introduced, that was the point.

There seems to be a vast difference between say..
Letting blood elves become warriors eventually, and giving death knights a fourth spec.
Considering this is also a hero race (like the elf specific demon hunters), it seems even more unlikely.

[KainneAbsolute]

Other interviews and some answers:

“In combat you’re primarily in Dracthyr form,” said Brian Holinka, Lead Combat Designer on Dragonflight.

“When in social situations, you can decide which form you’re in.”

About the Djaradin: “They’re ancient enemies of the dragons, hunted dragons, and particularly hated the Black Dragonflight.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/183065...new-expansion/

“‘Azerite traits, Artifacts, Covenant abilities. What are some of the coolest things we have, and let’s put it in a talent tree so that players can make some choices and get those cool things back.”

Finally, we asked if the talent trees will be easier to expand in the future, which Holinka confirmed is part of the thinking.

https://www.polygon.com/23032320/wor...work-interview

[Teriz]

No, I’d say it has a chance. Outside of Monk animations they wouldn’t really clip with their animations too much.

Adding the horns and tattoos to every race is what will never happen.

The thing is, some of the Evoker class' abilities involve the literal body of a dragon, like wings and tails, which is why the class is tied to a dragon race. Those assets become pointless as another class.

[Raetary]

No, I’d say it has a chance. Outside of Monk animations they wouldn’t really clip with their animations too much.

Adding the horns and tattoos to every race is what will never happen.

It's not gonna happen, but they could implement the other races slowly over time.

They even have a lore explanation for it.
"The Dracthyr didn't shapeshift into anything else cause they were isolated, now that they are in contact with us they begann shifting into forms that suit them more"

[Eurhetemec]

I played Legion from launch on and yes, there were issues and complaints, but it rarely mattered because we were overwhelmed with content. There was so much stuff to do and what we’ve got that the issues were just overshadowed.

LOL this is some major historical revisionism. That is absolutely not how Legion played out. Loads of people basically quit after 1-2 months. But Blizzard got them back with whatever patch it was that stopped artifacts being fucking stupid to level and the stuff they'd added by then.

Most of the rest of your complaints are slightly Droopy Dog-style pessimism or failure to recognise that this expansion is being announced at what is pretty clearly a somewhat earlier stage of development than is usual.

[Dracullus]

I think this became joke over years, but Tuskarr look as legit potential allied race for a major patch.

[Khaza-R]

Yeah I find it funny how everybody who was expecting a revamp for 10.0 (I was always warning to be carful with that expectation) is just brushing it off and saying now that it will come on 11.0 or whenever, lol.

It’s not going to happen.

Previously, I agreed. But my opinion has shifted. I still don't think their will be a total revamp in the style of Cataclysm but I do think a visual update is entirely possible.

[Malorne the White Stag]

I think this became joke over years, but Tuskarr look as legit potential allied race for a major patch.

Would make the expac better if we got some allied races for non-evokers to play

[[Apok]]

Afrasiabi was in charge of Sylvanas and where her story went. Denuser is literally in charge from now (Dragonflight) and Sylvanas is nowhere to be seen. So, you are wrong.

Source?

there wont be one because danuser was in charge of the narrative for BFA and SL

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You’ve been in the minority then. There’s a reason why Legion is rated or seen as the second climax of WoW.

Show me some data to back up your claim that isn't anecdotal, we can all spout personal opinions as some sort of fact.

Case in point i know many people through coimmunties i have been a part of and just general contacts, that quit during legion simply because of legiondaries

[Makabreska]

Afrasiabi was in charge of Sylvanas and where her story went. Denuser is literally in charge from now (Dragonflight) and Sylvanas is nowhere to be seen. So, you are wrong.

Loooool wuuuut? You claim Danuser took over JUST NOW?

[Nymrohd]

Yeah I find it funny how everybody who was expecting a revamp for 10.0 (I was always warning to be carful with that expectation) is just brushing it off and saying now that it will come on 11.0 or whenever, lol.

It’s not going to happen.

Yeah honestly I'm giving up. I think I'll spend this weekend checking out Epsilon and trying some world building myself to scratch that itch cause Blizzard is just not going to do it.
Part of me still is hooked on hopium and when they kept saying about how Dragon Isles is about Azeroth being renewed and revitalized it might mean revamp comes after. But meh, who knows at this point. There is so much I'd love to see in WoW that will never happen. We get a new class every 4-6 years when so many archetypes are missing and when the time came to add something they made something completely original. WHich may end up being great. But it just means archetypes i keep seeing in WoW lore will likely never be playable. At some point you got to give up.

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Loooool wuuuut? You claim Danuser took over JUST NOW?

Yeah it's the big idea with certain streamers. Everything wrong with WoW was Afrasiabi's fault!

[cocomen2]

Huh? What exactly didn't you like about Shadowlands? It had everything a cinematic needs + the ending was brutal when the sky split open. Dragonflight had nothing of that... literally nothing.

Atleast Alexa was flying around as if she a cat and playing around with stone-mouse in hands /s

Without jokes, remove red dragon from Dragonflight, and i can puke on it.

[Eurhetemec]

It just feels hollow at the moment, I really hope that changes. This is the first I've felt this way after an announcement.

How long have you been playing WoW? Not an attack just a question. I first experienced that with Cataclysm, which kinda sucked but I also had it with MoP, which was kinda awesome.

[Khaza-R]

Would make the expac better if we got some allied races for non-evokers to play

Well they did mention a large part of the story is the Horde and Alliance working together through a unified Explorer's League and Reliquary to recruit the native species in the Dragon Isles. So probably not before 10.0 but it doesn't seem entirely out of the question for a 10.x feature.

[Santandame]

Would make the expac better if we got some allied races for non-evokers to play

Which this expansion absolutely needs.

Throw us Tuskarr, Furlbolgs, Gnolls and Centaurs as Allied Races at this point for patch content. Fuck it.