Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[ChronoSul]

That's odd. Wasn't Galakrond a non-sapient, non-speaking Proto-Dragon? I know that we're fighting against ancient elemental Proto-Dragons, but why is Galakrond suddenly capable of having "followers"? Or is it more of a cult around him?

I'm assuming this is something they will borrow from hearthstone where he had a cult and was capable of speaking

[huth]

I think those two abilities on the left come in after allocating a certain amount of points. There is a screen of that first icon with an 8 over it. I assume at 8 points allocated you unlock it for free? There's not a photo of the second one locked with the first one learned to verify it though. Yeah, it is a bit silly to someone who looks at it from a raider's perspective... But to the millions of people who left who only played to level characters and do stuff in the world/dungeons, it was a nice thing for them to do.

Probably, yes. Or you just get them at a certain level. I doubt you can avoid them either way.

Though i don't think spending all your class points on the toolkit for another spec is terribly sensible even for non-endgame builds. Your spec tree is all about your chosen spec, after all, so you'd have a completely mismatch between the two.

[Khaza-R]

That's odd. Wasn't Galakrond a non-sapient, non-speaking Proto-Dragon? I know that we're fighting against ancient elemental Proto-Dragons, but why is Galakrond suddenly capable of having "followers"? Or is it more of a cult around him?

In Hearthstone he's definitely capable of speaking and has more lines than any non-hero card.

He's also voiced by the same guy who does Denathrius so guaranteed to be better than Deathwing's cartoon dialogue.

[SunspotAnims]

I'm hoping the continent is actually as large as it it's been described. Zoomin' through a bunch of Storm Peaks-sized zones with physics-based flight mechanics is a legitimately good baseline to add fun world content on top of.

[Chickat]

Meh a return to daily quests, one of the single most boring aspects of wow quests.

I imagine there will be both generic world quests, and daily quests for the main 4 reps. They said MAIN 4 REPS. Meaning maybe there's a few other traditional less important reps that will utilize world quests.

[The King in Yellow]

Let's go evokers!!! I knew we'd get a dragon class.

I got to apologize for my little bro who stole my mmo champ PW. Guy has a very unhealthy obsession with techy fantasy.

Well convinced my folks to send his ass to boot camp and found my pw. Sorry for all his nonsense these past few months.

So stoked though!

This.. is the funniest post ever.

[Chickat]

Also, i saw someone mention needing to spend talent points into rejuvenation.

Some early talents will be automatically locked in when you pick your spec.
Resto has rejuv already unlocked with no point spent, just like Balance has starfire and sunfire unlocked with no point spent.

Yeah I like it. I imagine every druid will have Healing touch or Regrowth as they do now, but if you have say a healing boss fight a balance druid could have a loadout just for that fight. Maybe a talent gives them 50% reduced healing spell mana cost, and they talent into a few healins spells as well. Suddenly they can contribute noticeably to healing bosses etc. The next fight is a dragon with an air phase 25% of the time. A feral druid could talent into balance spells to help out etc. It is actually a really cool idea and will potentially lead to WAY more ways to play the game.

[Keyalios]

Honestly, what we're getting is VERY close to that concept.

Agreed I just wish, as I said, that we had a tank spec. And using Red for DPS instead of healing is insane. As is Bronze for healing IMO. Three or Four specs would do the class far more justice. As would temporarily turning into a drake not into this ugly Zandalari Moonkin wannabe form.

[Destinas]

That's odd. Wasn't Galakrond a non-sapient, non-speaking Proto-Dragon? I know that we're fighting against ancient elemental Proto-Dragons, but why is Galakrond suddenly capable of having "followers"? Or is it more of a cult around him?

Galakrond was sapient and he could speak, and he had proto-dragon followers in the ancient past.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Galakrond#Quotes

"Where will they gather?"
"Great I am. You would be great too."
"There can be only one me...."

His whole thing was that the dragons that would become the aspects opposed him in prehistory. It would make sense that there are dragons in a prehistoric place that still worship him.

[Chickat]

Oh I must've missed that.

But yeah seems to me more like its gonna be supplementary to reputations and similar cosmetic rewards like Covenants, and perhaps even quests.

Tbh I would like it if they added reputation questlines to progress all stories more after initial leveling (in SL you could do it but only for your covenant until the made swaping easier)

MoP had new story quests unlocked at honored, revered, and exalted. No rep since then has had this, and its confirmed for DF. Its going to be awesome having additional rep stories told after max level.

[Keyalios]

That's odd. Wasn't Galakrond a non-sapient, non-speaking Proto-Dragon? I know that we're fighting against ancient elemental Proto-Dragons, but why is Galakrond suddenly capable of having "followers"? Or is it more of a cult around him?

He had at least some form of thought. Whilst I don't recall him thinking the traitors in the Allied ProtoDrake Force (or whatever you want to call that group) talked to him and attempted to negotiate and he *did* listen. Of course, once he was done he started eating them, but he listened at first.

[Varx]

This.. is the funniest post ever.

Believe me the look on his face was priceless.

[Chickat]

Ok, I'm finally back from re-re-re-re-re-watching the reveal, and it was awesome. Could it have been more? Yes of course, but Dragonflight won't be the last Expansion so we can still get stuff like the revamp, housing or class skins down the line.

Have we talked about the Dragonriding system already? Initially I was a bit nervous because as a primary mount collector I fear it will kinda loose the collecting aspect. That said, the website said we can have all 4 different types which is kinda cool, and if the cosmetic unlocks are accountwide and every of my chars can have their own 4 different drakes I'll be happy! Just hoping stuff like colours isn't locked behind pvp elite content (I'm fine with armour though!).

Also, Otter mounts <3

So I get the feeling ground mounts will work still, and they will likely unlock traditional flying near the end of the expansion. Also there's clearly an Otter mount, so there will still be ground mounts and likely normal dragon mounts to collect. I think its fine to have a limited flying collection for 1 expansion. They are obviously going to expand on it to regular mounts in the future anyways. Plus, maybe 11.0 is underground and we get wall riding mounts? Spiders that can climb walls and get to caves etc on the ceiling.

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the one thing this game definately does not need is another melee class.

Yeah caster and rdps players have been waiting 18 years for a new ranged class. Melee players can wait.

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I wasn't here during the announcement, but what is the general consensus for the cinematic?

I personally LOVED it and loved how the narration and it being more world centric than the previous few was (and no fighting going on like last 3)

It was down to earth and reminded me of the MoP cinematic in a lot of ways. Not the best ever, but top 3 or 4. Much better than the Shadowlands one thatsf or sure.

[Keyalios]

NGL something like this mockup from reddit would fix a TON of my complaints.

[Chickat]

I see no issue with one Melee spec to supplement the Ranged and healing specs. It's not like the entire class would be purely Melee.

More choice is good for everyone. Variety is the spice of life.

Sure, but players said the same thing with a demon hunter. It would have been cool to have a fel bow spec too. If demon hunters get an rpds I would be cool with Evokers getting a mdps.

[huth]

Yeah I like it. I imagine every druid will have Healing touch or Regrowth as they do now, but if you have say a healing boss fight a balance druid could have a loadout just for that fight. Maybe a talent gives them 50% reduced healing spell mana cost, and they talent into a few healins spells as well. Suddenly they can contribute noticeably to healing bosses etc. The next fight is a dragon with an air phase 25% of the time. A feral druid could talent into balance spells to help out etc. It is actually a really cool idea and will potentially lead to WAY more ways to play the game.

Well, for Druids that's actually not much of a change. The attunement row does just that. But it's a bit more gradual with the new system.

[infinitemeridian]

I really don't like the format the 9.2 / 10.0 reveals have taken. Give me panels and in-depth overviews again, not these round-table "discussions" with forced corpo "humor". The 8.3 reveal was probably the best format. Just have one person (Ion) go through all the features, what they encompass, and what the goals is. Then fill in the gaps with interviews and what not.

[Chickat]

Thing is, if you play HotS, the dragons are decidedly ranged, with a small amount of close abilities. I really don’t know how you make this into a melee damage spec without some boring claw and bite attacks.

And that would make it too much like Druids.

That said, I would have loved a Tank spec…

I agree. It makes much more sense to have a tank spec.

[huth]

I'm hoping the continent is actually as large as it it's been described. Zoomin' through a bunch of Storm Peaks-sized zones with physics-based flight mechanics is a legitimately good baseline to add fun world content on top of.

Well, the french interview apparently says it's one of the largest continents ever. I wonder if they counted EK/Kalimdor when they said that.

[Teriz]

Agreed I just wish, as I said, that we had a tank spec. And using Red for DPS instead of healing is insane. As is Bronze for healing IMO. Three or Four specs would do the class far more justice. As would temporarily turning into a drake not into this ugly Zandalari Moonkin wannabe form.

While it isn't how I would have structured the class spec-wise, I can understand the decisions they made. I do like having Blue and Green flights integrated into the class, and having the ability to be a blue or green dragon. In addition, having some Bronze influence on the healing spec could be very interesting.

I do feel that they should have done a tank spec, but I understand the reasoning behind it. We have a lot of tanks in WoW currently, and I can tell they wanted to keep this class largely outside of melee range.