Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Cheezits]

It is certainly possible. As we discussed before, many of the old races get updates again. With all this they can extend revamps to not just the old world but Northrend and Outland as well. It is a gamble, but if it pays off it will pay off big.

I think Outland and Northrend will never be updated but Tuskarr might come to the continents with this revamp.

Someone who hasn't been updated is the forest/frost trolls and considering an interview says there are "primordial trolls" this may be where they get that revamp.

[Syegfryed]

They don't want to spend hours and hours of artwork for the handful of fans that want to play tauren and dwarf evoker. They are catering to the mass audience only who plays humans and elves.

Sure, like slapping some dragon scales painting and horns in the blood elf model sure is some colossal work.

Besides, you don't even need to do that to oher races

Straight up don't give other races the draconic customziations, but let then be options for a visage

Literally no work besides allowing other options to be chosen

Done

I really, really think MMOC is overestimating how the visages "killed the race" when the majority of casual players this race was designed for only play humans and elves. It not being a draknoid or dragonman or even a dragon is a point that it is NOT for hardcore fans.

Dude, warcraft fans wanted to be drakonids, humanoids drakes, a fantasy race that exist in many games across the years, this is what people askled for, not lame elves and humans with scales

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I still can't believe the information vacuum from 9.2 reveal was seen as a good thing internally and now they decide to do that with 10.0.

The most important interview is in fucking french since it gives actual big major story content and explains the likely trajectory of the expansion lorewise. What the fuck.

Also avoiding telling the playerbase they will collect cool Dragonflight themed sets in the Dragonflight System was stupid just because of the "Covenants 2.0, haha." backlash.

They really shotgun blasted their head off with this reveal by showcasing so little of the actual product in the presentation.

[Teriz]

They don't want to spend hours and hours of artwork for the handful of fans that want to play tauren and dwarf evoker. They are catering to the mass audience only who plays humans and elves.

Exactly.

I really, really think MMOC is overestimating how the visages "killed the race" when the majority of casual players this race was designed for only play humans and elves. It not being a draknoid or dragonman or even a dragon is a point that it is NOT for hardcore fans.

Not only casual fans, but the damn characters this class is based on are also pretty much elves and humans. If a player wants to be like Alexstraza or Wrathion, they're going to choose Elven or Human visages.

[Cheezits]

I still can't believe the information vacuum from 9.2 was seen as a good thing internally and now they decide to do that with 10.0.

The most important interview is in fucking french since it gives actual big major story content and explains the likely trajectory of the expansion lorewise. What the fuck.

Also avoiding telling the playerbase they will collect cool Dragonflight themed sets in the Dragonflight System was stupid just because of the "Covenants 2.0, haha." backlash.

They really shotgun blasted their head off with this reveal by showcasing so little of the actual product in the presentation.

If the fanbase can't handle certain terms without going into a meltdown, they really don't deserve a reveal that treats them like normal people.

Cry about the story? Okay, we won't talk about the story.

Cry about covenants/renown? Okay we won't mention that.

They treat the fanbase like highly sensitive kids because they have earned that. They will not risk a single dollar otherwise.

[Wangming]

Does it?

From a testing standpoint revamped talents are just like the AP systems (Artifact, Azerite traits, Conduits and Covenant abilities), changes to specs but not complete revamps. New race and class ofc needs to be tested completely. For others it will be mostly just number tuning since we are getting previously borrowed powers now in talents. It will ofc open the avenue to new builds that need to be balanced. But with the ever evolving scene of simulation and theorycrafting for that stuff it isn't all done manually by monitoring.

Dragonriding depends on the scope how much testing needs to be done.

Compare it to
Legion (Order Halls, 36 scenarios, M+ system, WQ system, Zone scaling, new honor system, new pvp scaling, new transmog system + all like in DF except dragonriding),
BfA (Island Expeditions, War Mode, Warfronts, Communities, squish + DF without Dragonriding) or
SL (Covenants with renown and the minigames attached to them, Threads of Fate, Torghast, Legendary Crafting, Maw new style of endgame zone, level squish, chromie time + DF bar dragonriding).

There really is less new stuff to test, and less zones to test (since I didn't mention quests and dungeons being tested). Of course they didn't announce everything yet for DF probably but still I don't see how this test cycle should be bigger than the previous few.

Edit: Add UI revamp to DF

Well Legion had a 9 month beta so that is in its own league. We probably won't get that. But it will stil be around 6-7 months.

[Cheezits]

Dude, warcraft fans wanted to be drakonids, humanoids drakes, a fantasy race that exist in many games across the years, this is what people askled for, not lame elves and humans with scales

This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

If the fanbase can't handle certain terms without going into a meltdown, they really don't deserve a reveal that treats them like normal people.

Cry about the story? Okay, we won't talk about the story.

Cry about covenants/renown? Okay we won't mention that.

They treat the fanbase like highly sensitive kids because they have earned that. They will not risk a single dollar otherwise.

Yeah, well good luck earning dollars when your product looks like a decrepit house in Moonglade and no one wants to step inside for the audience you really want to keep in check.

Blizzard pretending to be clowns isn't exactly a good marketing strategy. The product here is actually good if you read interviews in foreign languages and everywhere else.

[Wangming]

If the fanbase can't handle certain terms without going into a meltdown, they really don't deserve a reveal that treats them like normal people.

Cry about the story? Okay, we won't talk about the story.

Cry about covenants/renown? Okay we won't mention that.

They treat the fanbase like highly sensitive kids because they have earned that. They will not risk a single dollar otherwise.

Or, and here is the idea, let's make these things not suck.

[Cheezits]

Yeah, well good luck earning dollars when your product looks like a decrepit house in Moonglade and no one wants to step inside.

Blizzard pretending to be clowns isn't exactly a good marketing strategy.

The amount of people that started going COVENANTS??!?!???!? when the first article to mention reputation renown showed up means Blizzard understands the marketing game. The mass fanbase is pretty dumb and adding things like renown mentions would have tanked the reveal with SHADOWLANDS 2.0..............

[Wangming]

This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.

New fans won't touch it with a ten feet pole unless they add casual solo content for endgame.

[ercarp]

I think most people already know by now that the Dracthyr dragon model is based on the Incubus skeleton, but I still see some people debating on whether it could be Female Worgen or Female Meta DH instead. However, I made several side-by-side comparisons with all of the aforementioned options and Incubus is the one that ended up matching them the best.

There are small differences, so it's not a 1:1 copy-paste, but the position of the limbs is enough to give it away.

People should be more pissed off by this than they are because this is the first time Blizzard has introduced a brand new race (not an Allied Race) that uses a rig based on something that already exists in the game. Goblins, Worgen, Blood Elves, Draenei, and Pandaren all had completely unique skeletons at the time of their release.

I wonder how people will feel about their brand new race sharing a skeleton with another class's pet? It feels a little insulting, lol.

[Cheezits]

Or, and here is the idea, let's make these things not suck.

Irrelevant. The point was why they did not mention those concepts in the reveal: because people react so strongly to simple terms like renown that they are better off not being mentioned.

[Wangming]

I think Outland and Northrend will never be updated but Tuskarr might come to the continents with this revamp.

Someone who hasn't been updated is the forest/frost trolls and considering an interview says there are "primordial trolls" this may be where they get that revamp.

Yeah. non-Zandalari trolls still need some love.

[Shadochi]

I hear people saying "they update a couple models every expac preparing for the revamp, we now no longer have many models that need an update" but by the time they finish updating the latest model, there is already a difference in quality between the first and last models that got updated. I gave up on hoping that the updates are for a revamp and accepted that the updates are just because they wanted to use those races/foes/styles that haven't appeared in a while

[Syegfryed]

This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.

thats some nonsense, old fans is what keep the game alive? new fans don't exist, new people don't go to wow, new people go to mobas, free to play games and other mmos.

I can see they are trying to rip-off the final fantasy race with the dragon anime ladies, but this will hardly make new people come in

Yet, don't change the fact thatis not a race, but a class, and it could be something designed for both with you being able to pick any race as visage.

[Akta]

I still can't believe the information vacuum from 9.2 reveal was seen as a good thing internally and now they decide to do that with 10.0.

The most important interview is in fucking french since it gives actual big major story content and explains the likely trajectory of the expansion lorewise. What the fuck.

Also avoiding telling the playerbase they will collect cool Dragonflight themed sets in the Dragonflight System was stupid just because of the "Covenants 2.0, haha." backlash.

They really shotgun blasted their head off with this reveal by showcasing so little of the actual product in the presentation.

Lol you guys are so empty in your heads the presentation is just a prewiev of focal points. For details and interactions we have to wait cause they don’t have a final product

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I do enjoy this whole new arc of defenders going "legacy fans are dead, zoomer fans who apparently are scalies are going to save the game". Keep it on, I guess.

[Teriz]

I think most people already know by now that the Dracthyr dragon model is based on the Incubus skeleton, but I still see some people debating on whether it could be Female Worgen or Female Meta DH instead. However, I made several side-by-side comparisons with all of the aforementioned options and Incubus is the one that ended up matching them the best.

There are small differences, so it's not a 1:1 copy-paste, but the position of the limbs is enough to give it away.

People should be more pissed off by this than they are because this is the first time Blizzard has introduced a brand new race (not an Allied Race) that uses a rig based on something that already exists in the game. Goblins, Worgen, Blood Elves, Draenei, and Pandaren all had completely unique skeletons at the time of their release.

I wonder how people will feel about their brand new race sharing a skeleton with another class's pet? It feels a little insulting, lol.

I'm pretty sure that the Incubus and the Dracthyr were developed at the same time. Also there's nothing wrong with a race sharing the same skeleton as a pet as long as it has the necessary animations, which they clearly do.

Also I gotta say, that white Dracthyr form looks great.

[Dioporco]

This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.

Ofc if you keep pushing away old fans


Well gonna laugh when this will crash like Warfronts and Island Expedition