Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Marlamin]

"Drakthyr" are some everquest level hype assassination

Or, you know, the fact there's an entire subforum for 10.0 now instead of just this thread. This happens pretty much every time until the alpha/beta starts up and builds start rolling in.

You make a convincing argument that Dracthyr are the result of some kind of suck cost fallacy. "Well we spent 4 years on this ugly pig of an idea we can't not use it"

By that logic, those arguing against the reuse of assets/rigs are effectively arguing for less content, so yeah, by all means reuse rigs/assets. I'm sure the next world revamp will reuse a ton of assets from the Dragon Isles in e.g. Northrend as some zones are pretty much the same themes. Garrison assets are still getting reused today. I don't see how any of that is a big deal.

[Syegfryed]

And what would be the point of such a race?

Are you rly serious right now?

It'd just be Draenei 2.0.

No they would not be, and funny of you to say that when they are demon hunter 2.0

A dragon race without dragon abilities is just another big, bulky race option that adds nothing new to the game.

Who said they would not have dragon abilities? you know races have racials right?

Did you ever played other games with humanoid dragons?

In D&D dragonborns can use 5 diferent dragon breaths depending on their color, like blue lightining and red fire, they get resistance to damage and other shenanigans


Literally any game did better than wow on this derpartent, its a embarassment to call this a race

[Nerovar]

The race was 100% meant for that audience... and based off twitter, they love it.

I love what these people are doing to our game.

[Syegfryed]

Agreed, but I think there was an interview there they said that other classes don't 'fit' Dracthyr

Of course it don't fit

is like saying a boomkin or a demon hunter should be other classes

[Cheezits]

If they think that Dracthyr look silly with weapons, they should lock them to casters only. That would be a cool way of letting the dragon form be other classes instead of just locking it to the visage form.

Evoker, Priest, Mage (already use mage spells), Druid (already use druid spells), Warlock

[Syegfryed]

I love what these people are doing to our game.

Funny thing is how blizzard don't learn that people on twitter being happy means nothing, they were happy for everythin in shadowlands and the game was garbage

[Shadochi]

If they think that Dracthyr look silly with weapons, they should lock them to casters only. That would be a cool way of letting the dragon form be other classes instead of just locking it to the visage form.

Evoker, Priest, Mage (already use mage spells), Druid (already use druid spells), Warlock

But what when my Arcane Mage is out of mana and wants to hit the enemy with a staff

[Cheezits]

Funny thing is how blizzard don't learn that people on twitter being happy means nothing, they were happy for everythin in shadowlands and the game was garbage

Except that it means the target audience for the race likes the race, just like Vulpera were aimed primarily at a new audience for WoW.

[Shadochi]

Funny thing is how blizzard don't learn that people on twitter being happy means nothing, they were happy for everythin in shadowlands and the game was garbage

Happy people on twitter = free twitter marketing

[wowrefugee]

I have a handful of issues with Dracthyr, but the appearance isn't one of them, and I'm not a 'scaley'. I do think some of the edits, where they slightly adjust the head size or chest width look better, though.

Earlier in the thread I mentioned how I hoped they'd let the humanoid form be other classes, and keep the dragon locked to evoker. A few people really liked that idea, but I realized there's 0% chance Blizzard does it. You can't have the humanoid form - which is just a visage for the dragon - without the dragon. Which is a shame! I wish they had done the lore for this race/class different.

[Blayze]

you don't even need to be that bulky, just be something not anorexic, they are too skinny, they shoulders are too small, this in contrast with the big feet, hands and wings make then look dumb

Made to appeal to weebs, and built like them too.

I was hoping for more than just the other half of a Demon Hunter.

[Teriz]

Are you rly serious right now?

No they would not be, and funny of you to say that when they are demon hunter 2.0

Uh yes they would. The only thing a bulky dragon race would add is yet another big bulky player race. Need I remind you that the last three bulky races added (Kul'tirans, HM Tauren, LF Draenei) were pretty much failures in terms of gaining players?

Also this isn't DH 2.0. The dragon class being offered here is bringing new gameplay opportunities to players that no other class can offer.

Who said they would not have dragon abilities? you know races have racials right?

Using fire breath every 3 minutes isn't a sought-after player experience.

Did you ever played other games with humanoid dragons?

In D&D dragonborns can use 5 diferent dragon breaths depending on their color, like blue lightining and red fire, they get resistance to damage and other shenanigans

Again, in WoW that would be a racial and have weak damage and a long cooldown due to balance consideration. If you want to fulfill the draconic fantasy, a dragon class is the best way to go about it.

[Syegfryed]

Except that it means the target audience for the race likes the race, just like Vulpera were aimed primarily at a new audience for WoW.

Those people don't even play the game my dude, and the momment they see a subscription and the game price they will not be new wow players

[Shadochi]

I have a handful of issues with Dracthyr, but the appearance isn't one of them, and I'm not a 'scaley'. I do think some of the edits, where they slightly adjust the head size or chest width look better, though.

Earlier in the thread I mentioned how I hoped they'd let the humanoid form be other classes, and keep the dragon locked to evoker. A few people really liked that idea, but I realized there's 0% chance Blizzard does it. You can't have the humanoid form - which is just a visage for the dragon - without the dragon. Which is a shame! I wish they had done the lore for this race/class different.

"They gave up their draconic powers to pursue other avenues now that they are part of the mortal world"

There, a reason to just have the visage with other classes in a future patch (I hope for this too at some point since I was gonna roll my warrior or mage into one when we got the screenshots on monday)

[Berkilak]

Just so more people can enjoy it too, people should never be opposed to more options for players to have.

There's no reason for female/feminine pandas to have boobs or vulpera, yet you have it, its a fantasy game.

I'd love to have scrawny Orcs and Humans, too.

But there comes a point at which you're just looking a gift horse in the mouth.

[Ersula]

By that logic, those arguing against the reuse of assets/rigs are effectively arguing for less content, so yeah, by all means reuse rigs/assets. I'm sure the next world revamp will reuse a ton of assets from the Dragon Isles in e.g. Northrend as some zones are pretty much the same themes. Garrison assets are still getting reused today. I don't see how any of that is a big deal.

I'm not against reusing assets. I'm just pointing out the biggest criticism Ion gets as director of WoW is that he can't bring new, innovative ideas to the game & he just premiered an expansion where nothing is new.

Welcome to Transition Blizzard: Where our biggest titles are several analogous iterations of Diablo

[Cheezits]

Those people don't even play the game my dude, and the momment they see a subscription and the game price they will not be new wow players

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics/region/us

Vulpera and Void elves are in the top 10 of races.

[Hugnomo]

Even if a controversy is raised they will just change the angle of some arms like they did with Zandalari, who forever were Male Night Elves.

There's enough differences that people are going to laugh this off though.

Of course people will laugh this off because they should.
It's standard in the gaming industry and it allows devs to focus their resources on things that actually require it. Wasting tons of resources to achieve a bunch of animations that, to the regular player, are mostly undistinguishable from other animations that they've created previously, isn't to the benefit of the player.
Not that I'm an expert, but it seems obvious to me. Some people have a really warped perception of game development.

[Syegfryed]

Uh yes they would. The only thing a bulky dragon race would add is yet another big bulky player race. Need I remind you that the last three bulky races added (Kul'tirans, HM Tauren, LF Draenei) were pretty much failures in terms of gaining players?

And you think they are a failure because they are bulky and not reskined version of the races we already have?

This is composition fallacy

Taurens and draeneis are pretty popular, and if you mix their variants the numbers grow.

Also this isn't DH 2.0. The dragon class being offered here is bringing new gameplay opportunities to players that no other class can offer.

My dude, this is straight up DH 2.0

You have a humanoid elf, with dragon/demon customizations, that turn into a dragon/demon form, to perform the skills of the class, who only have 2 specs, the dragon/demon form don't use armor/wepons, you even have a breath that works like th eyebean

They are only a race because blizzard to sell as such so they don't have the work to make other humanoid forms/visage, and they didn't had the same excuse to lock demon hunter to elves, is pure lazyness.

Using fire breath every 3 minutes isn't a sought-after player experience.

And you think those abilities will not have a CD? lmao

Again, in WoW that would be a racial and have weak damage and a long cooldown due to balance consideration. If you want to fulfill the draconic fantasy, a dragon class is the best way to go about it.

everyone can safely say you can have both, a humanoid dragon and a class who use dragon power

Earlier in the thread I mentioned how I hoped they'd let the humanoid form be other classes, and keep the dragon locked to evoker. A few people really liked that idea, but I realized there's 0% chance Blizzard does it. You can't have the humanoid form - which is just a visage for the dragon - without the dragon. Which is a shame! I wish they had done the lore for this race/class different.

that would be just lame, its just another blood elf male and human female with some horns and scales who can be other classes

[Sondrelk]

I'm not against reusing assets. I'm just pointing out the biggest criticism Ion gets as director of WoW is that he can't bring new, innovative ideas to the game & he just premiered an expansion where nothing is new.

Didn't we just have an expansion where we got Torghast?

Even in Dragonflight we have the flying revamp. Is that not something new?