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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    If the fanbase can't handle certain terms without going into a meltdown, they really don't deserve a reveal that treats them like normal people.

    Cry about the story? Okay, we won't talk about the story.

    Cry about covenants/renown? Okay we won't mention that.

    They treat the fanbase like highly sensitive kids because they have earned that. They will not risk a single dollar otherwise.
    Or, and here is the idea, let's make these things not suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Yeah, well good luck earning dollars when your product looks like a decrepit house in Moonglade and no one wants to step inside.

    Blizzard pretending to be clowns isn't exactly a good marketing strategy.
    The amount of people that started going COVENANTS??!?!???!? when the first article to mention reputation renown showed up means Blizzard understands the marketing game. The mass fanbase is pretty dumb and adding things like renown mentions would have tanked the reveal with SHADOWLANDS 2.0..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

    Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.
    New fans won't touch it with a ten feet pole unless they add casual solo content for endgame.

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    I think most people already know by now that the Dracthyr dragon model is based on the Incubus skeleton, but I still see some people debating on whether it could be Female Worgen or Female Meta DH instead. However, I made several side-by-side comparisons with all of the aforementioned options and Incubus is the one that ended up matching them the best.

    There are small differences, so it's not a 1:1 copy-paste, but the position of the limbs is enough to give it away.

    People should be more pissed off by this than they are because this is the first time Blizzard has introduced a brand new race (not an Allied Race) that uses a rig based on something that already exists in the game. Goblins, Worgen, Blood Elves, Draenei, and Pandaren all had completely unique skeletons at the time of their release.

    I wonder how people will feel about their brand new race sharing a skeleton with another class's pet? It feels a little insulting, lol.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Or, and here is the idea, let's make these things not suck.
    Irrelevant. The point was why they did not mention those concepts in the reveal: because people react so strongly to simple terms like renown that they are better off not being mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I think Outland and Northrend will never be updated but Tuskarr might come to the continents with this revamp.

    Someone who hasn't been updated is the forest/frost trolls and considering an interview says there are "primordial trolls" this may be where they get that revamp.
    Yeah. non-Zandalari trolls still need some love.

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    I hear people saying "they update a couple models every expac preparing for the revamp, we now no longer have many models that need an update" but by the time they finish updating the latest model, there is already a difference in quality between the first and last models that got updated. I gave up on hoping that the updates are for a revamp and accepted that the updates are just because they wanted to use those races/foes/styles that haven't appeared in a while
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

    Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.
    thats some nonsense, old fans is what keep the game alive? new fans don't exist, new people don't go to wow, new people go to mobas, free to play games and other mmos.

    I can see they are trying to rip-off the final fantasy race with the dragon anime ladies, but this will hardly make new people come in

    Yet, don't change the fact thatis not a race, but a class, and it could be something designed for both with you being able to pick any race as visage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    I still can't believe the information vacuum from 9.2 reveal was seen as a good thing internally and now they decide to do that with 10.0.

    The most important interview is in fucking french since it gives actual big major story content and explains the likely trajectory of the expansion lorewise. What the fuck.

    Also avoiding telling the playerbase they will collect cool Dragonflight themed sets in the Dragonflight System was stupid just because of the "Covenants 2.0, haha." backlash.

    They really shotgun blasted their head off with this reveal by showcasing so little of the actual product in the presentation.
    Lol you guys are so empty in your heads the presentation is just a prewiev of focal points. For details and interactions we have to wait cause they don’t have a final product
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    I do enjoy this whole new arc of defenders going "legacy fans are dead, zoomer fans who apparently are scalies are going to save the game". Keep it on, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I think most people already know by now that the Dracthyr dragon model is based on the Incubus skeleton, but I still see some people debating on whether it could be Female Worgen or Female Meta DH instead. However, I made several side-by-side comparisons with all of the aforementioned options and Incubus is the one that ended up matching them the best.

    There are small differences, so it's not a 1:1 copy-paste, but the position of the limbs is enough to give it away.

    People should be more pissed off by this than they are because this is the first time Blizzard has introduced a brand new race (not an Allied Race) that uses a rig based on something that already exists in the game. Goblins, Worgen, Blood Elves, Draenei, and Pandaren all had completely unique skeletons at the time of their release.

    I wonder how people will feel about their brand new race sharing a skeleton with another class's pet? It feels a little insulting, lol.
    I'm pretty sure that the Incubus and the Dracthyr were developed at the same time. Also there's nothing wrong with a race sharing the same skeleton as a pet as long as it has the necessary animations, which they clearly do.

    Also I gotta say, that white Dracthyr form looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    This race was not designed for warcraft fans, it was designed for new players, hence why it is an OC race that is not one of the many popularly requested dragon races.

    Almost like it is more profitable to go for new fans than to go for old fans.
    Ofc if you keep pushing away old fans


    Well gonna laugh when this will crash like Warfronts and Island Expedition

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I think most people already know by now that the Dracthyr dragon model is based on the Incubus skeleton, but I still see some people debating on whether it could be Female Worgen or Female Meta DH instead. However, I made several side-by-side comparisons with all of the aforementioned options and Incubus is the one that ended up matching them the best.

    There are small differences, so it's not a 1:1 copy-paste, but the position of the limbs is enough to give it away.

    People should be more pissed off by this than they are because this is the first time Blizzard has introduced a brand new race (not an Allied Race) that uses a rig based on something that already exists in the game. Goblins, Worgen, Blood Elves, Draenei, and Pandaren all had completely unique skeletons at the time of their release.

    I wonder how people will feel about their brand new race sharing a skeleton with another class's pet? It feels a little insulting, lol.

    [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/PzvZBZ4.png[IMG]

    [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/uj7Bvi3.png[IMG]
    The incubus used a new rig? If true it just cofirms that they developed dracthyr first and reused the rig for incubus
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Even if a controversy is raised they will just change the angle of some arms like they did with Zandalari, who forever were Male Night Elves.

    There's enough differences that people are going to laugh this off though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadochi View Post
    Does it?

    From a testing standpoint revamped talents are just like the AP systems (Artifact, Azerite traits, Conduits and Covenant abilities), changes to specs but not complete revamps. New race and class ofc needs to be tested completely. For others it will be mostly just number tuning since we are getting previously borrowed powers now in talents. It will ofc open the avenue to new builds that need to be balanced. But with the ever evolving scene of simulation and theorycrafting for that stuff it isn't all done manually by monitoring.

    Dragonriding depends on the scope how much testing needs to be done.

    Compare it to
    Legion (Order Halls, 36 scenarios, M+ system, WQ system, Zone scaling, new honor system, new pvp scaling, new transmog system + all like in DF except dragonriding),
    BfA (Island Expeditions, War Mode, Warfronts, Communities, squish + DF without Dragonriding) or
    SL (Covenants with renown and the minigames attached to them, Threads of Fate, Torghast, Legendary Crafting, Maw new style of endgame zone, level squish, chromie time + DF bar dragonriding).

    There really is less new stuff to test, and less zones to test (since I didn't mention quests and dungeons being tested). Of course they didn't announce everything yet for DF probably but still I don't see how this test cycle should be bigger than the previous few.

    Edit: Add UI revamp to DF
    I think it sounds like a lot.

    Revamped talents at this scope are going to need a ton of balancing work to begin with, a lot more than the extra talent rows & soulbinds needed for Shadowlands. Every spec will need this, all 38 of them. Given how intricate some of those talent rows looked, it's possible some of these specs are getting overhauled pending how many abilities are in the trees instead of baseline with the class.

    Dragon Riding shouldn't be super intense, we've already seen most of the pieces elsewhere. But there are complications. The customizations sound a lot like the Mechagon mounts with custom colors & the unlocking abilities sound similar to Pocopoc, but there will still need to be testing of each new talent added...both in how it works & given that this is early flying, how easy this makes it to break the game. We still have the falling DC bug which could be a nightmare with the dive bombing aspect of this new system, so one has to think that will need a glance.

    Dracthyr Evokers will need a bunch of work. Balancing, adjusting abilities, determining racials & class abilities (as much as there's really any reason to separate them), bugs with the starting zone, etc. Not to mention the whole charging spell aspect of the class.

    UI revamp is going to need a lot of testing. Do the bars lock up? Is it possible to make UI pieces unrecoverable? How well is that spec saving going, and is there a way to copy those settings to alts? Profession revamp is going to need a ton as well, given how much this differs from the norm.

    It's maybe not as much as Legion, but there's still a bunch here IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I think Outland and Northrend will never be updated but Tuskarr might come to the continents with this revamp.

    Someone who hasn't been updated is the forest/frost trolls and considering an interview says there are "primordial trolls" this may be where they get that revamp.
    Source?

    Are we getting more trolls?

    Eeeee
    I don't play WoW anymore smh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dioporco View Post
    Ofc if you keep pushing away old fans


    Well gonna laugh when this will crash like Warfronts and Island Expedition
    A high mobility ranged dps and healer is going to be popular even if its ugly af.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulggun View Post
    Uhhh, FF literally CAME UP with one thing catching the other, falling thing!!!

    FF fans are insufferable I swear. On the side note, that FF cutscene looks horrible lol. People complain about wow cutscenes and graphics and there you have this abomination.
    Final Fantasy invented dragons.

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    We have no idea how those talents look like. Assuming most of them will be +3% damage, -5% damage taking and +2% crit, there's not much to test anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    Final Fantasy invented dragons.
    Tolkien would like to have some words with you.

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