Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

Are you rly serious right now?

No they would not be, and funny of you to say that when they are demon hunter 2.0

Uh yes they would. The only thing a bulky dragon race would add is yet another big bulky player race. Need I remind you that the last three bulky races added (Kul'tirans, HM Tauren, LF Draenei) were pretty much failures in terms of gaining players?

Also this isn't DH 2.0. The dragon class being offered here is bringing new gameplay opportunities to players that no other class can offer.

Who said they would not have dragon abilities? you know races have racials right?

Using fire breath every 3 minutes isn't a sought-after player experience.

Did you ever played other games with humanoid dragons?

In D&D dragonborns can use 5 diferent dragon breaths depending on their color, like blue lightining and red fire, they get resistance to damage and other shenanigans

Again, in WoW that would be a racial and have weak damage and a long cooldown due to balance consideration. If you want to fulfill the draconic fantasy, a dragon class is the best way to go about it.

[Syegfryed]

Except that it means the target audience for the race likes the race, just like Vulpera were aimed primarily at a new audience for WoW.

Those people don't even play the game my dude, and the momment they see a subscription and the game price they will not be new wow players

[Shadochi]

I have a handful of issues with Dracthyr, but the appearance isn't one of them, and I'm not a 'scaley'. I do think some of the edits, where they slightly adjust the head size or chest width look better, though.

Earlier in the thread I mentioned how I hoped they'd let the humanoid form be other classes, and keep the dragon locked to evoker. A few people really liked that idea, but I realized there's 0% chance Blizzard does it. You can't have the humanoid form - which is just a visage for the dragon - without the dragon. Which is a shame! I wish they had done the lore for this race/class different.

"They gave up their draconic powers to pursue other avenues now that they are part of the mortal world"

There, a reason to just have the visage with other classes in a future patch (I hope for this too at some point since I was gonna roll my warrior or mage into one when we got the screenshots on monday)

[Berkilak]

Just so more people can enjoy it too, people should never be opposed to more options for players to have.

There's no reason for female/feminine pandas to have boobs or vulpera, yet you have it, its a fantasy game.

I'd love to have scrawny Orcs and Humans, too.

But there comes a point at which you're just looking a gift horse in the mouth.

[Ersula]

By that logic, those arguing against the reuse of assets/rigs are effectively arguing for less content, so yeah, by all means reuse rigs/assets. I'm sure the next world revamp will reuse a ton of assets from the Dragon Isles in e.g. Northrend as some zones are pretty much the same themes. Garrison assets are still getting reused today. I don't see how any of that is a big deal.

I'm not against reusing assets. I'm just pointing out the biggest criticism Ion gets as director of WoW is that he can't bring new, innovative ideas to the game & he just premiered an expansion where nothing is new.

Welcome to Transition Blizzard: Where our biggest titles are several analogous iterations of Diablo

[Cheezits]

Those people don't even play the game my dude, and the momment they see a subscription and the game price they will not be new wow players

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics/region/us

Vulpera and Void elves are in the top 10 of races.

[Hugnomo]

Even if a controversy is raised they will just change the angle of some arms like they did with Zandalari, who forever were Male Night Elves.

There's enough differences that people are going to laugh this off though.

Of course people will laugh this off because they should.
It's standard in the gaming industry and it allows devs to focus their resources on things that actually require it. Wasting tons of resources to achieve a bunch of animations that, to the regular player, are mostly undistinguishable from other animations that they've created previously, isn't to the benefit of the player.
Not that I'm an expert, but it seems obvious to me. Some people have a really warped perception of game development.

[Syegfryed]

Uh yes they would. The only thing a bulky dragon race would add is yet another big bulky player race. Need I remind you that the last three bulky races added (Kul'tirans, HM Tauren, LF Draenei) were pretty much failures in terms of gaining players?

And you think they are a failure because they are bulky and not reskined version of the races we already have?

This is composition fallacy

Taurens and draeneis are pretty popular, and if you mix their variants the numbers grow.

Also this isn't DH 2.0. The dragon class being offered here is bringing new gameplay opportunities to players that no other class can offer.

My dude, this is straight up DH 2.0

You have a humanoid elf, with dragon/demon customizations, that turn into a dragon/demon form, to perform the skills of the class, who only have 2 specs, the dragon/demon form don't use armor/wepons, you even have a breath that works like th eyebean

They are only a race because blizzard to sell as such so they don't have the work to make other humanoid forms/visage, and they didn't had the same excuse to lock demon hunter to elves, is pure lazyness.

Using fire breath every 3 minutes isn't a sought-after player experience.

And you think those abilities will not have a CD? lmao

Again, in WoW that would be a racial and have weak damage and a long cooldown due to balance consideration. If you want to fulfill the draconic fantasy, a dragon class is the best way to go about it.

everyone can safely say you can have both, a humanoid dragon and a class who use dragon power

Earlier in the thread I mentioned how I hoped they'd let the humanoid form be other classes, and keep the dragon locked to evoker. A few people really liked that idea, but I realized there's 0% chance Blizzard does it. You can't have the humanoid form - which is just a visage for the dragon - without the dragon. Which is a shame! I wish they had done the lore for this race/class different.

that would be just lame, its just another blood elf male and human female with some horns and scales who can be other classes

[Sondrelk]

I'm not against reusing assets. I'm just pointing out the biggest criticism Ion gets as director of WoW is that he can't bring new, innovative ideas to the game & he just premiered an expansion where nothing is new.

Didn't we just have an expansion where we got Torghast?

Even in Dragonflight we have the flying revamp. Is that not something new?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I'd love to have scrawny Orcs and Humans, too.

But there comes a point at which you're just looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Limited options doesn't look like a gift horse in the mouth type of thing, i get what you're saying but its pretty much the product that will be sold as the biggest thing for pre order early release probably.

I think these times you have to voice your opinion, because many companies just don't listen to anything and they just release unfinished mess that gets fixed after 2 years. :P

At bare minimum i thought that at least OG races will have draconic customization options and be able to roll into new class if theres one.

Human female running damsel in distress animation or a-hole standing BE male, pretty much the only 2 options, they really went with abysmall creative route and went for two most default ones..

[Cheezits]

I'm not against reusing assets. I'm just pointing out the biggest criticism Ion gets as director of WoW is that he can't bring new, innovative ideas to the game & he just premiered an expansion where nothing is new.

Welcome to Transition Blizzard: Where our biggest titles are several analogous iterations of Diablo

The most desired features of WoW are things like housing and talent trees, neither of which are new ideas.

[Marlamin]

I'm not against reusing assets. I'm just pointing out the biggest criticism Ion gets as director of WoW is that he can't bring new, innovative ideas to the game & he just premiered an expansion where nothing is new.

I feel like we've looked at entirely different things, as usual.

Maybe this forum is a portal between alternate realities, one in which Dragonflight had absolutely nothing new, and my universe.

[Syegfryed]

But there comes a point at which you're just looking a gift horse in the mouth.

we are paying, expensively, for the horse, is not a gift

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics/region/us

Vulpera and Void elves are in the top 10 of races.

ok? can you see the other races above then?

Im saying twitter people don't play warcraft.

[Dioporco]

A high mobility ranged dps and healer is going to be popular even if its ugly af.

We have no idea how it works and if it is mobile.

Plus it can be outdone by other specs if tuned wrongly.

[Berkilak]

Limited options doesn't look like a gift horse in the mouth type of thing, i get what you're saying but its pretty much the product that will be sold as the biggest thing for pre order early release probably.

I think these times you have to voice your opinion, because many companies just don't listen to anything and they just release unfinished mess that gets fixed after 2 years. :P

At bare minimum i thought that at least OG races will have draconic customization options and be able to roll into new class if theres one.

Human female running damsel in distress animation or a-hole standing BE male, pretty much the only 2 options, they really went with abysmall creative route and went for two most default ones..

I mean, it's pretty clear that this is already a compromise. They couldn't give us "full dragons." But they decided to forge ahead nevertheless to get playable dragons to us. That's a leap of faith, already, and a risky decision. I want to applaud that line of thinking rather than rejecting it on the basis of a few nitpicks.

[Sondrelk]

I feel like we've looked at entirely different things, as usual.

Maybe this forum is a portal between alternate realities, one in which Dragonflight had absolutely nothing new, and my universe.

Must have been a long time since the timelines diverged as well, because SL, BfA, and Legion were all crammed with new stuff. From M+, WQs, Warfronts and Torghast.

[Yarathir]

Still haven't recovered from the side-splitting laughter. Blizzard is really hitting on all the thinly veiled fetishes at this point, huh? May as well make the game Second Life 2.0 if nothing else works.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I mean, it's pretty clear that this is already a compromise. They couldn't give us "full dragons." But they decided to forge ahead nevertheless to get playable dragons to us. That's a leap of faith, already, and a risky decision. I want to applaud that line of thinking rather than rejecting it on the basis of a few nitpicks.

Well, i guess we just have different opinions on that, because i don't really see these limitation as the basis of a few nitpicks. :P

[Sondrelk]

We have no idea how it works and if it is mobile.

Plus it can be outdone by other specs if tuned wrongly.

From the looks of it it will be extremely mobile, what with the strafing runs and such.
It won't be as mobile as a melee because of the limitations of casting and such, but I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up somewhere similar to MM in terms of mobility.

[Dioporco]

Yeah, that's why they did two back to back new lore expansions that have little-to-zero appeal for old Warcraft players.

Those profitable, profitable old Warcraft players right?

And have 0 appeals to new players too


Have you ever tried to play as new player? You get slammed into the lore throughout previous expansion


Have no idea about Jaina Thrall Arthas Garros Sylvanas Zovaal, even Shadowlands had previous lore points so is not even a full reset ex novo

Completely wrong assumption.