Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

To be fair the Drakthyr are locked in time. They probably only know about trolls, elves, and tauren. Speaking of wich they wouldn't know about belves, so it makes no sense for them to look like blood elves or humans at all.


I changed my mind. If they can already look like a race that didn't even exist in their time they should be able to be any race.

They would know about the Pandaren, too, given they have a empire that spans like, a good chunk of southern Kalimdor. They would know about the Vrykuls and their situation with the Curse of Flesh.

Really, it's no excuse.

[Chickat]

Your mistake is assuming that people play alts for that sort of thing.

When I play my priest, my paladin, warrior and what not, I don't play it because i enjoyed the time gated rep farming sort of scheme blizzard has going on so much, that i now feel like doing it all over again on 5 other chars.

Also, for some players, that's precisely what they want: the simplicity of reaching max level and just starting the gear grind, in whatever level of content they do it in.

I just don't think its a good idea to 100% remove the grind. Do you really think that a paladin should unlock every transmog from the rep? Im sure you do, but I don't. Idk, maybe I'm being narrow minded, but if all alts were for is raiding and mythic+ then I don't want alts. I enjoy world content, and if you remove the rep grind on alts you essentially remove the world too.


Although, I just had an idea. What if they double the rep length to make it last longer which is fair IMO, make it account wide, and then considerably add on to the Paragon box system. Transfer most of the cosmetics to Paragon boxes and make theprogress towards those account wide. If they do that then my main and my alts can continue doing world content for cosmetics and share the same progression bar. For players like yourself, once the grind is done all the player power is unlocked for every character, but there are still plenty of cosmetics to grind.

Thoughts?

[huth]

In every expansion there was a "best" path for talents, even in classic. For me the main part of this is the ability to have and freely switch between loadouts. There is really not a lot they could do for the best path. But this might add more utility to chose from

The whole loadout system sounds to me like they're deliberately building around the fact that, for high-end content, there will be a "best" path, but they also want people to give a way to experiment and do whatever for when they're not playing progress.

They even have options to export and import builds from other people.

[Chickat]

They would know about the Pandaren, too, given they have a empire that spans like, a good chunk of southern Kalimdor. They would know about the Vrykuls and their situation with the Curse of Flesh.

Really, it's no excuse.

Yeah, I thought it made sense until I realized they wouldn't know about humans or blood elves, so it makes 0 sense for them to turn into those races. If we are already letting them turn into races they don't know about we might as well be able to turn into any race.

[Shadochi]

The whole loadout system sounds to me like they're deliberately building around the fact that, for high-end content, there will be a "best" path, but they also want people to give a way to experiment and do whatever for when they're not playing progress.

They even have options to export and import builds from other people.

Exactly, there is no way to go around the whole "best path" thing, but loadouts will actually incentivize more and easier switching for different types of content

[Sondrelk]

The whole loadout system sounds to me like they're deliberately building around the fact that, for high-end content, there will be a "best" path, but they also want people to give a way to experiment and do whatever for when they're not playing progress.

They even have options to export and import builds from other people.

I think this is the best outcome honestly. Getting away from the minmax mentality is probably impossible without deliberately going out of your way to kill that crowd, at least this way you can have wackier builds that change stuff.

That being said, I do think that the minmax mentality only really applies at the very highest end of content, and at the lower end of casual content. Extremely casual players won't care, and high level casual players know that they will likely not be able to make full use of minmax builds regardless, so in the end it might actually genuinely lead to more diversity in rading.

[Teriz]

That's what I mean. Citation needed on the latter with them both being built for it, though. I don't care if the artist said she worked on it for "years."

That would be the citation. If the artist of both said she worked on both, why are we doubting her?

That's a pretty strict statement with no room for ambiguity or doubt. It's also extremely silly and naive. I think what you meant was "It sure would be nice if we got these."

What's silly and naive is looking at a racial model in alpha and believing there's going to be no changes to it by release several months from now.

Even when you get a variation of what you want, you are insufferable.

I'm simply being optimistic because I have faith in the developers, and the evidence supports the reality that they're not done with the new race/class' appearance.

[Shadochi]

Yeah, I thought it made sense until I realized they wouldn't know about humans or blood elves, so it makes 0 sense for them to turn into those races. If we are already letting them turn into races they don't know about we might as well be able to turn into any race.

Due to bronze dragons they would know about all races, even possibly those that don't exist

[Sondrelk]

Exactly, there is no way to go around the whole "best path" thing, but loadouts will actually incentivize more and easier switching for different types of content

I honestly think it's more important that the new talent trees allow for more out there builds. Sure you are never going to get massive DPS running a 100% mastery build for MM for instance, but you might have some fun sniping enemies from out of their maximum range.

[Chickat]

I hope there is some casual content to do in Dragonflight for gear progression. Looks like dailies, World Quests, Reputations have been removed; no mention of them. Doesn't seem to be any outdoor power increase to grind and no mention of cosmetics or other fun activities to do besides Dragonriding. Really hoping something gets added or this'll be a short lived expansion for me as I only do outdoor content. Shadowlands has been great with tons of cosmetics to farm and I've been very busy and having fun. Hoping this was just a big reveal and they'll tell us the little stuff later. I enjoy doing Callings and daily type quests each day and love farming a resource, even if it is just for cosmetics.

They don't mention end game content in expansion announcements... They never do unless its a significant new system.

Also they did mention reps in interviews. Said they would have a reknown bar similar to covenants, but that you could progress them all at the same time, and they talked about having more dynamic world content. Relax.

I don't understand the though process? They didn't show anything new for fishing. Do you think they removed fishing? They cant show everything in a 60 min presentation.

[AngerFork]

To be fair the Drakthyr are locked in time. They probably only know about trolls, elves, and tauren. Speaking of wich they wouldn't know about belves, so it makes no sense for them to look like blood elves or humans at all.


I changed my mind. If they can already look like a race that didn't even exist in their time they should be able to be any race.

I think it really comes down to their starter zone. We don't know if they even know about any other mortal races. However if they run into Humans & Elves in their starter area (perhaps some sort of Alliance/Horde meetup chain like Pandaren have), it's theoretically possible that's all they'd know on their Visage Day.

[Chickat]

It's MoP all over again, an Im down for it

Yes, I need that I miss pandaria signature lol.

[Teriz]

They would know about the Pandaren, too, given they have a empire that spans like, a good chunk of southern Kalimdor. They would know about the Vrykuls and their situation with the Curse of Flesh.

Really, it's no excuse.

This really isn't a problem. The sad reality is that even if this racial option was open to all races, 99% of the community would just make elves and humans. Thus, it makes sense for Blizzard to just make Elf and human options. I'm not a huge fan of either race, but that's not going to stop me from being a dragon.

[Jodmos]

They even have options to export and import builds from other people.

Hadn't seen that. Anything that helps me update all my characters of a class after a talent reset is good (even moreso given the size of the new trees.)

[Vakir]

If the artist of both said she worked on both, why are we doubting her?

A total lack of chicken or the egg on which was conceptualized first or if one was an easy shortcut for the other. It's irrelevant though, because...

Hey, I'm simply being optimistic because I have faith in the developers.

This is not a sufficient response to justify saying "they definitely will" in response to this stuff. That's not optimism, that's part misinformation that's easy to spawn, and part allowing fandom to warp accuracy of perception based on history.

I don't care what else you say. Be better and take the L on saying something misleading and assumptive.

[Shadochi]

I honestly think it's more important that the new talent trees allow for more out there builds. Sure you are never going to get massive DPS running a 100% mastery build for MM for instance, but you might have some fun sniping enemies from out of their maximum range.

Tbh i usually don't play my max dmg output build on farm nights/bosses with my guild just something that is more fun to play, ofc with the last 2-3 expansions its been a bit harder to change since i need to change not just my talents manually but also traits, essences, conduits,.... I fully support this talent change and consolidating all player power options in the tree. For me personally having it all in talents and having loadouts is the main thing in the revamp, it being a tree is just a nice bonus.

[Chickat]

Oh good. I guess there are some other interviews I need to read up on then. I was very excited for the reveal, but afterwards felt like there was going to be nothing for me to do except dragonriding, which looks like fun, but will get old very quick. I just didn't see anything about a new solo style event like Visions or Torghast, which is content I enjoy doing. Of course, I don't wan it mandatory, but something other than Dragonriding will be good.

ESO lost me when they went full blown account wide stuff. Can't even level a new character anymore because everything is done, can't redo fun achievements or just play the game. I hope WoW doesn't go that route; leveling alts and doing grinds again later in the expac is fun for me. I did love how they did Enlightened rep, where I can just send things to my alts once my main gets it done. However, I can progress the rep on each alt individually. I'm going to be sad if my alts are max renown and exalted when they first set foot in the zone to level up.

I agree doing grinds again is fun for me, but check out my idea a few posts up.

Basically the rep is account wide, but the cosmetics are locked behind an expanded paragon system so your main and alts can work towards all that stuff. Best of both worlds for all types of players.

[bruxx]

Has Drachtyr been added to the hype train, yet?

[Sondrelk]

This really isn't a problem. The sad reality is that even if this racial option was open to all races, 99% of the community would just make elves and humans. Thus, it makes sense for Blizzard to just make Elf and human options. I'm not a huge fan of either race, but that's not going to stop me from being a dragon.

I have to disagree here. Yes the playerbase would quickly gravitate towards the most aesthetically pleasing option, but that isnt necessarily a reason to not have other options available. If we just aim for what the majority wants then we end up with FFXIV and it's 50 shades of low effort cosplay + plushie people.

[Chickat]

Because you're a dragon.

Are you oppsed to them allowing a limited selection of gear in dragon form? Like chest belt and legs?