Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[AngerFork]

To be fair the Drakthyr are locked in time. They probably only know about trolls, elves, and tauren. Speaking of wich they wouldn't know about belves, so it makes no sense for them to look like blood elves or humans at all.


I changed my mind. If they can already look like a race that didn't even exist in their time they should be able to be any race.

I think it really comes down to their starter zone. We don't know if they even know about any other mortal races. However if they run into Humans & Elves in their starter area (perhaps some sort of Alliance/Horde meetup chain like Pandaren have), it's theoretically possible that's all they'd know on their Visage Day.

[Chickat]

It's MoP all over again, an Im down for it

Yes, I need that I miss pandaria signature lol.

[Teriz]

They would know about the Pandaren, too, given they have a empire that spans like, a good chunk of southern Kalimdor. They would know about the Vrykuls and their situation with the Curse of Flesh.

Really, it's no excuse.

This really isn't a problem. The sad reality is that even if this racial option was open to all races, 99% of the community would just make elves and humans. Thus, it makes sense for Blizzard to just make Elf and human options. I'm not a huge fan of either race, but that's not going to stop me from being a dragon.

[Jodmos]

They even have options to export and import builds from other people.

Hadn't seen that. Anything that helps me update all my characters of a class after a talent reset is good (even moreso given the size of the new trees.)

[Vakir]

If the artist of both said she worked on both, why are we doubting her?

A total lack of chicken or the egg on which was conceptualized first or if one was an easy shortcut for the other. It's irrelevant though, because...

Hey, I'm simply being optimistic because I have faith in the developers.

This is not a sufficient response to justify saying "they definitely will" in response to this stuff. That's not optimism, that's part misinformation that's easy to spawn, and part allowing fandom to warp accuracy of perception based on history.

I don't care what else you say. Be better and take the L on saying something misleading and assumptive.

[Shadochi]

I honestly think it's more important that the new talent trees allow for more out there builds. Sure you are never going to get massive DPS running a 100% mastery build for MM for instance, but you might have some fun sniping enemies from out of their maximum range.

Tbh i usually don't play my max dmg output build on farm nights/bosses with my guild just something that is more fun to play, ofc with the last 2-3 expansions its been a bit harder to change since i need to change not just my talents manually but also traits, essences, conduits,.... I fully support this talent change and consolidating all player power options in the tree. For me personally having it all in talents and having loadouts is the main thing in the revamp, it being a tree is just a nice bonus.

[Chickat]

Oh good. I guess there are some other interviews I need to read up on then. I was very excited for the reveal, but afterwards felt like there was going to be nothing for me to do except dragonriding, which looks like fun, but will get old very quick. I just didn't see anything about a new solo style event like Visions or Torghast, which is content I enjoy doing. Of course, I don't wan it mandatory, but something other than Dragonriding will be good.

ESO lost me when they went full blown account wide stuff. Can't even level a new character anymore because everything is done, can't redo fun achievements or just play the game. I hope WoW doesn't go that route; leveling alts and doing grinds again later in the expac is fun for me. I did love how they did Enlightened rep, where I can just send things to my alts once my main gets it done. However, I can progress the rep on each alt individually. I'm going to be sad if my alts are max renown and exalted when they first set foot in the zone to level up.

I agree doing grinds again is fun for me, but check out my idea a few posts up.

Basically the rep is account wide, but the cosmetics are locked behind an expanded paragon system so your main and alts can work towards all that stuff. Best of both worlds for all types of players.

[bruxx]

Has Drachtyr been added to the hype train, yet?

[Sondrelk]

This really isn't a problem. The sad reality is that even if this racial option was open to all races, 99% of the community would just make elves and humans. Thus, it makes sense for Blizzard to just make Elf and human options. I'm not a huge fan of either race, but that's not going to stop me from being a dragon.

I have to disagree here. Yes the playerbase would quickly gravitate towards the most aesthetically pleasing option, but that isnt necessarily a reason to not have other options available. If we just aim for what the majority wants then we end up with FFXIV and it's 50 shades of low effort cosplay + plushie people.

[Chickat]

Because you're a dragon.

Are you oppsed to them allowing a limited selection of gear in dragon form? Like chest belt and legs?

[Jodmos]

I think it really comes down to their starter zone. We don't know if they even know about any other mortal races. However if they run into Humans & Elves in their starter area (perhaps some sort of Alliance/Horde meetup chain like Pandaren have), it's theoretically possible that's all they'd know on their Visage Day.

Given it's the Explorer's League and Reliquary leading the way you would imagine Dwarves would also be met early on. Even saying that, seems hard to believe that once they set a visage they would be stuck with it. You'd wonder why not Gnoll, Tuskarr or centaur. All races on the Dragon isles. Unless of course it was set when Deathwing did is magic combining the mortal race and dragon DNA (which will probably be Blizzard's lore explanation now I think of it).

[Chickat]

It's actually worse than the druid problem because these dragon forms are humanoid and can probably fit armor on rather well.

Also druids have multiple forms. And while dragons can change their colors, horns, etc its not enough long term. Druids have multiple colors and models for each form.

[Shadochi]

Given it's the Explorer's League and Reliquary leading the way you would imagine Dwarves would also be met early on. Even saying that, seems hard to believe that once they set a visage they would be stuck with it. You'd wonder why not Gnoll, Tuskarr or centaur. All races on the Dragon isles.

But these are experiments, they might be just stuck to those 2 options

[Teriz]

A total lack of chicken or the egg on which was conceptualized first or if one was an easy shortcut for the other. It's irrelevant though, because...

Does it matter which one was developed first? How do we know the rig wasn't built with both in mind? Obviously the Dracthyr would be kept under wraps longer than the Incubus would be, since the former is part of a future expansion, while the Incubus was just a class minion. A very real scenario could have been that they built the rig for the Dracthyr and thought it was good for the Warlock class, and we simply saw the Incubus use the rig first.

Who cares? The point is that it was built on a new rig.

This is not a sufficient response to justify saying "they definitely will" in response to this stuff.

But they definitely are going to add more options to the Drakthyr model. We're not even in beta yet my dude, chill.

[Raetary]

Has Drachtyr been added to the hype train, yet?

Been on there since before the announcement.



That said, it's still the low res leaked images, i'll update it tomorrow with the new stuff after some good nights sleep.

[Chickat]

I agree somewhat. I think this one would be a better look;

Yeah that looks good.

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I am going to guess their backstory is dragon infused human/vrykul. They just happen to use the Belf and Human model because it's more "fair" than choosing either full Belf or full Human.

You know what would have been great?

Neutral Vrukul as well. Then the vissage form could be based on Vrykul.

[Teriz]

Are you oppsed to them allowing a limited selection of gear in dragon form? Like chest belt and legs?

If it looks good I got no problem with it. I don't see them wearing tons of armor, but I can see them wearing lioncloths, tabards, head adornments, cuffs, and other things.

[Local Ardenweald Faerie]

This really isn't a problem. The sad reality is that even if this racial option was open to all races, 99% of the community would just make elves and humans. Thus, it makes sense for Blizzard to just make Elf and human options. I'm not a huge fan of either race, but that's not going to stop me from being a dragon.

It's not going to stop me either.

So it isn't a point of complaint: rather, it's a point of feedback. Dragons have been able to choose any form, 'new race made by Deathwing' be damned. It's a letdown when we have the likes of Chromie and others.

I'd be sending feedback to the devs rather than posting here, but the only avenue open right now is through Twitter and I would be insanely annoying that way.

[Jodmos]

But these are experiments, they might be just stuck to those 2 options

Wow. you responded so quick. I edited to comment that they may be stuck with whatever happened when Deathwing did his thing so that sort of ties with what you said. Plus they're not real dragons so Blizzard probably have that as a a lore reason for why they're choice is limited. Would be nice to have options though. on saying that, not sure what I'd pick if all races were available. (Also Void Elvish might be possible depending on the customisation options they add or could RP as one anyway as they share BE options)

[Sondrelk]

Yeah that looks good.

The more I look at it, the more I appreciate how convincingly androgynous the actual model looks. It definitely loses out in menace and looking like something that could actually exist, but the latter also looks very masculine, even if that is closer to what dragons actually look like.

Not sure how I would actually make a compromise solution either, might just be one of those things that is effectively impossible.