Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

Yeah Id compare it to Shadowlands systems wise like I said. Not as much as Legion or BFA tho.

They also need to be future proofed since most of these are long-term items rather than just DF expansion features.

[Chickat]

I guess it's going to be subjective at the end of the day. Personally I think it does make the race seem a bit cheaper since they haven't done this in the past. Usually brand new races come with brand new skeletons.

That said, this is not that big of an issue for me as long as they address all the other problems with the race. I mean, it's not like we can run around as incubi as the player character so the experience of using those animations ourselves is still unique.

Yeah, but if its true, it means they adapted the Drakthyr race for Incubus. Sure it looks lazy for the uninformed, but it means they made a custom or heavily modified skeleton and used it for a creature model after.

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Crafting revamp is a lot bigger than Leggo crafting. Leggo crafting isn't really much different from regular SL crafting, just the interface is different. Wouldn't be surprised if under the hood, it works the same (i.e. Legendary powers are just another "optional reagent", except one that doesn't get used up).

DF totally changes up how crafting is being done and how the outcome is determined, and also adds a whole new level of specialising to it. (Ion mentioned in one interview that you can't just specialise in, say, leather armour, but even in a specific slot, so you can have a master leather helmet crafter on your server.)

Yeah, that's true. I wasn't thinking about the specializations and crafting gear/stats.

[rhorle]

The interview literally references the Dragonriding in relation to this. He might be overselling, I agree with that. But it does sound like until a certain point in your Dragonriding training, you are just as fine on a Drakthyr, because they can at the very least nosedive and fly for a bit.

Dragon riding is different then flying around in combat. They haven't elaborated on how much, if any, combat will be done with the Dragon Riding system. Everything they have referenced about mounts could simply be PR talk for flying down, dismounting, and "ambushing" a target.

[huth]

Isn't that the release window then? August to December? The only expansion to release outside of that was TBC which got delayed to January.

That's not a window, that's half a year. The amount of switching around doesn't suggest they're aiming for any date in particular.

[Ersula]

So, the minor patch is in fact a minor patch.

What a twist, who could've predicted that?!

Not this minor. They've never just did a minor patch to add, like I said, things that could just be hotfixed in, which is all 9.2.5 on the PTR has been so far. So far 9.2.5 is sub-sub-minor patch.

We're only two builds in: That's hardly finished.

[Shadochi]

Yeah, but if its true, it means they adapted the Drakthyr race for Incubus. Sure it looks lazy for the uninformed, but it means they made a custom or heavily modified skeleton and used it for a creature model after.

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Yeah, that's true. I wasn't thinking about the specializations and crafting gear/stats.

Also to add that the incubus is one forms for one of the pets, youll be seeing dracthyr more ofthen than them

[huth]

Yeah, but if its true, it means they adapted the Drakthyr race for Incubus. Sure it looks lazy for the uninformed, but it means they made a custom or heavily modified skeleton and used it for a creature model after.

Would fit with that it feels like they made the Incubus on relatively short notice, which seems odd for such a high quality rig.

[infinitemeridian]

I am disappointed that Torghast is being left behind. The concept behind it was always great - an ever-evolving, randomized area for you to do some crazy stuff with your class. Purely cosmetic rewards. It's probably the best feature that they've added since M+ that had potential to morph into a core "pillar" of content for solo people (or group).

Just add some sort of Bronze dragon Tower that you plan to update every expac - different halls take you through different timelines and biomes and enemy types. Add more every expac. New challenges, greatly expand the rewards, etc.

More so than covenants, more so than islands / warfronts, Torghast had the most potential and a shame it's being completely flushed down the toilet.

[Dismayxz]

Dragon riding is different then flying around in combat. They haven't elaborated on how much, if any, combat will be done with the Dragon Riding system. Everything they have referenced about mounts could simply be PR talk for flying down, dismounting, and "ambushing" a target.

You're fine, it's my bad. I gave the discussion you two had a second read-over and realized that the guy was referencing in combat, so yes. Overselling very hard. Though it still is pretty neat that they can do the Skyscale-esque stuff out of combat in the open world. Imagine being a DH and hearing that.

[rhorle]

That's not a window, that's half a year.

Semantics. There is nothing that says a release window has to be a short length of time. Saying "Second half of the year" is a release window albeit not very specific. As for specific time they are targeting I think it will clearly be November. Not because of past launches though. It is because Scaleface stated November release and all the rest of their "leaks" came true.

[Chickat]

You can find so much better art online, of how a humanoid dragon should look like

So you want scaley wingless worgen? I mean as an alternate race sure, but I don't think they should replace Drakthyr.

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"Drakthyr" are some everquest level hype assassination

Actually the thread is still moving really fast considering the reveal is over. Normally a day later its quite than 20 pages a day like we are seeing now.

[Atriel]

You can see the difference between the two body types in the image below. Slender on the left, Bulky on the right. Credit to Portergauge on Twitter for pointing this out.

Now that they have confirmed that the Dragon forms are glorified Druid forms with customization options, there is absolutely no restriction on them adding an even bulkier form as an option (They already have the rigs for Draenei males), so it should be easy for them to implement. I suspect there will be more of an outcry for it and they will add it in before launch.

[Chickat]

Or, you know, the fact there's an entire subforum for 10.0 now instead of just this thread. This happens pretty much every time until the alpha/beta starts up and builds start rolling in.



By that logic, those arguing against the reuse of assets/rigs are effectively arguing for less content, so yeah, by all means reuse rigs/assets. I'm sure the next world revamp will reuse a ton of assets from the Dragon Isles in e.g. Northrend as some zones are pretty much the same themes. Garrison assets are still getting reused today. I don't see how any of that is a big deal.

Also in TBC to Cata they were reusing vanilla building models for things. Its okay to reuse models if it looks good and fits the theme.

Theres no reason to make a new goat model if the current one still looks good. Its a waste of time and change for only change sake.

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I love what these people are doing to our game.

Its our game now.

[Ersula]

Actually the thread is still moving really fast considering the reveal is over. Normally a day later its quite than 20 pages a day like we are seeing now.

People don't log onto MMO-Champion when they're happy

[Shadochi]

Yeah if they already planned different body types its not gonna be difficult to get the versions how the players want them

[Chickat]

Also to add that the incubus is one forms for one of the pets, youll be seeing dracthyr more ofthen than them

Yeah, I think some people just want to complain. Not necessarily ecarp. He has other legitimate complaints, and I love his model edit.

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People don't log onto MMO-Champion when they're happy

You need to read the room. 90% of the people in here are pretty positive, and its funny you say people don't log on when they are happy...

You literally just agreed that the threat died. So did it die because people are happy and not logging in to complain, OR

Did it not die because people are mad. Which is it?

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"They gave up their draconic powers to pursue other avenues now that they are part of the mortal world"

There, a reason to just have the visage with other classes in a future patch (I hope for this too at some point since I was gonna roll my warrior or mage into one when we got the screenshots on monday)

I still like my failed experiment solution. They only look like humans and elves because that's the form Neltharion crated first. He wanted them to be flexible like mortals. Some didn't have the capacity to transform into dragons, so they learned other natures and arts instead.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

People don't log onto MMO-Champion when they're happy

Maybe a chunk of them but there's plenty of people happy

[Omians]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-dr...26793#comments

Greg Burke: So regardless of how the new race looks, will we be able to play our mage-like abilities in and out of human and Draco form, or are we going to be permanently stuck in Draco form when we’re in combat?

Tina Wang: You are all going to be in Dracthyr form when you are in combat. Yes. But let me talk about the Dracthyr and their customizations. There is more customization than what you saw in the video. there’s actually so many ways that you can customize that Dracthyr. Even the shape of the face. You can have, like these snouts that can look more ancient, or more sleek, or like a more blunt.

You can even slightly change your torso to be like slightly more slender or slightly bulkier; and the armor that you wear is a type of armor that you will be able to customize at the Barbershop, too. So Dracthyr, I think they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form. While the visage form is able to wear all-armor. - Tina Wang via BlizzPlanet

wonder what other changes there are they haven't showed, but im in favor adding even more stuff to just help make your Dracthyr look even more different then somone elses

[Chickat]

I feel like we've looked at entirely different things, as usual.

Maybe this forum is a portal between alternate realities, one in which Dragonflight had absolutely nothing new, and my universe.

Id much rather have the core systems everyone loved made better and with more depth than another tacked on system no one likes. Now mind you I do think there should be 1 new big system or feature, but if I had to choose between Dragonflight as it is, or Dragonflight without all the systems revamps but with torghast 2.0 I will pick the Dragonflight we are getting every time.

[Teriz]

https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blo...-and-tina-wang

Some fantastic Dracthyr stuff here:

- dragon form customization DOES involve torso width being slender or bulkier, as well as different shapes of the face
- you will be able to see tabards, belts AND shoulders in dragon form (with some armor we've seen also being customized in barbershop)


They also make it clear that you are stuck in dragon form for combat, and they double down on dracthyrs being evokers and evokers being dracthyr, so opening it up to other classes is absolutely not in the cards

From that interview;

Tina: You are all going to be in Dracthyr form when you are in combat. Yes. But let me talk about the Dracthyr and their customizations. There is more customization than what you saw in the video. there’s actually so many ways that you can customize that Dracthyr. Even the shape of the face. You can have, like these snouts that can look more ancient, or more sleek, or like a more blunt.

You can even slightly change your torso to be like slightly more slender or slightly bulkier; and the armor that you wear is a type of armor that you will be able to customize at the Barbershop, too. So Dracthyr, I think they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form. While the visage form is able to wear all-armor.

See? I told you guys not to worry.