Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[therumblings]

Besides. One patch to reforge the Arbiter sigil, a d one patch to actually defeat Zovaal doesn't seem that out there.

inb4 we go to craftenium in 9.2 to forge a new arbiter sigil and it's like mechagon just bigger

[Nagawithlegs]

On the flip side this is always what the end of X.1 patches feels like. We seem to be varelling headfist towards a conclusion, ofteb it's literally spelled out for us what the endgame is, and then we get the X.2 patch that deals with something else for a bit.

Besides. One patch to reforge the Arbiter sigil, a d one patch to actually defeat Zovaal doesn't seem that out there.

While I will admit theres a tiny chance that 9.3 takes place on Northrend or something, I'm pretty sure Zovaal/Anduin/Mal'ganis and the Arbiter key will all be dealt with in one swoop.

We're just waiting on Galakrond and/or the Infinite to pop up and link us to Azeroth. Zovaal has a LITERAL infinity symbol in his chest.

[Nyel]

This chapter was kept secret first and foremost because it completely spoils the raid: Zovaal wins, Sylvanas is captured, Anduin is still enslaved.

We were hoping that it also had some huge revelations but not so much, though it does spell out the next patch. But the reason it was hidden was because it spoiled the raid and a lot of people were wondering what happens there.

I mean the flavor text for the boss encounters in SoD already did that? We knew about the Jailer winning (aka leaving) and stuff.

[Nagawithlegs]

I mean the flavor text for the boss encounters in SoD already did that? We knew about the Jailer winning (aka leaving) and stuff.

It was heavily foreshadowed but I don't think it was ever confirmed Jailer wins.

[Nyel]

On the flip side this is always what the end of X.1 patches feels like. We seem to be varelling headfist towards a conclusion, ofteb it's literally spelled out for us what the endgame is, and then we get the X.2 patch that deals with something else for a bit.

Besides. One patch to reforge the Arbiter sigil, a d one patch to actually defeat Zovaal doesn't seem that out there.

It seems incredibly excessive and absolutely pointless to have two patches for that. Reforging the Arbiter sigil totally smells like 30 Minute content in a .5 (9.1.5) patch and not something that needs and entire content patch.

[Sondrelk]

I've been in the 9.2 = end camp since the Maw armor was datamined in launch when people thought the Maw would be the finale. Smelled of "smaller expansion" from day one and seems more and more likely designed to be smaller as a filler while they work on a more ambitious 10.0 that follows up on BFA (minus Sylvanas).

This does raise the question: what will the renown rewards be? Or will there even be any?

My dream would be that renown 120 or whatever it ends up being gives the Covenant themed wings that someone drew some concepts for way back. It would certainly feel fitting, especially if it doubles as a back transmog.

Otherwise I guess the only reasonable reward at that point would either be another title.

[therumblings]

It seems incredibly excessive and absolutely pointless to have two patches for that. Reforging the Arbiter sigil totally smells like 30 Minute content in a .5 (9.1.5) patch and not something that needs and entire content patch.

I agree with this, it would be pretty unexpected if we spent 2 seconds in 9.1 forging 4 sigils but took an entire patch just to get one. Though maybe actually going to the Craftenium for that would kinda be cool if taken seriously.

[Nagawithlegs]

My dream would be that renown 120 or whatever it ends up being gives the Covenant themed wings that someone drew some concepts for way back. It would certainly feel fitting, especially if it doubles as a back transmog.

Otherwise I guess the only reasonable reward at that point would either be another title.

A title is a given, but we are already getting upgraded soulbinds and I doubt we'll get ANOTHER armor. That's probably why we're getting tier sets again (artists are free to do more things than covenant armor).

Allied Races would be a nice renown reward but I think it's unlikely.

[Cosmic Janitor]

This chapter was kept secret first and foremost because it completely spoils the raid: Zovaal wins, Sylvanas is captured, Anduin is still enslaved.

We were hoping that it also had some huge revelations but not so much, though it does spell out the next patch. But the reason it was hidden was because it spoiled the raid and a lot of people were wondering what happens there.

They literally could have tested it the day the raid came out and we knew all this stuff, which was 6 weeks ago. There was really no non-scummy reason to keep this hidden.

[therumblings]

Allied Races would be a nice renown reward but I think it's unlikely.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them in 9.2.5

Blizzard definitely needs some new flashy press so new races during mid expansion could draw in players, plus they are essentially already in the game, they'd just have to make racials and voice overs, and perhaps fix armor on their models.

[TheFirstOnes]

Ok?
The quests won't add any more meat to the cutscene.

And i don't expect much from the quests either, other than some speech about how its time to prepare for the Sepulcher.

Lots of meat was added lol

[Nagawithlegs]

Someone on the lore forums pointed out that Azeroth could be a slightly changed A Zereth, meaning A Keystone.

If Zereth Mortis is just one Zereth, then maybe Azeroth is the Keystone of Order. Hence the titan soul, why we can use first one gates, etc.

[Cosmic Janitor]

My dream would be that renown 120 or whatever it ends up being gives the Covenant themed wings that someone drew some concepts for way back. It would certainly feel fitting, especially if it doubles as a back transmog.

Otherwise I guess the only reasonable reward at that point would either be another title.

As I said befire, if we go out of SL without getting "wings" mounts, then they really shat the bed .

[Nyel]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them in 9.2.5

Blizzard definitely needs some new flashy press so new races during mid expansion could draw in players, plus they are essentially already in the game, they'd just have to make racials and voice overs, and perhaps fix armor on their models.

Allied Covenant races would have to be faction agnostic. It makes no sense to give e.g. Kyrians and Venthyr to Horde and Necrolords and Nightfae to Alliance. And then we would have the Pandaren problem which Blizzard wanted to get rid of altogether.

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Someone on the lore forums pointed out that Azeroth could be a slightly changed A Zereth, meaning A Keystone.

If Zereth Mortis is just one Zereth, then maybe Azeroth is the Keystone of Order. Hence the titan soul, why we can use first one gates, etc.

This sounds interesting. And it would give Shadowlands a nice finale on Azeroth (and Azeroth is really the only thing that matters in WoW).

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I agree with this, it would be pretty unexpected if we spent 2 seconds in 9.1 forging 4 sigils but took an entire patch just to get one. Though maybe actually going to the Craftenium for that would kinda be cool if taken seriously.

I mean if it would be like AQ opening or Isle of Queldanas from TBC where the entire server has to hand in resources it could be neat, but I think that stuff won’t make a return. So an entire content patch with just the premise of reforging one sigil sounds boring and dull in my opinion.

[therumblings]

nd then we would have the Pandaren problem which Blizzard wanted to get rid of altogether.

I haven't seen any actual evidence of this except for something ghostcrawler said, besides, you can make a void elf and blood elf literally look identical with some hairstyles/colors.

[Nagawithlegs]

Allied Covenant races would have to be faction agnostic. It makes no sense to give e.g. Kyrians and Venthyr to Horde and Necrolords and Nightfae to Alliance. And then we would have the Pandaren problem which Blizzard wanted to get rid of altogether.

BFA kind of sets up factions working together, so I don't think 4 choose-your-faction races would be offbrand.

[Sondrelk]

A title is a given, but we are already getting upgraded soulbinds and I doubt we'll get ANOTHER armor. That's probably why we're getting tier sets again (artists are free to do more things than covenant armor).

Allied Races would be a nice renown reward but I think it's unlikely.

I guess if we are going by how 9.0 had cosmetic rewards in all slots, and 9.1 only have armor, then I guess the next set might be just cosmetic backs.

[Cosmic Janitor]

BFA kind of sets up factions working together, so I don't think 4 choose-your-faction races would be offbrand.

Except for them having literally no reason to leave the shadowlands yet and join the mortals and their pathetic squabbles. The allied races joined because it was usefull to them, so unless we blow up the shadowlands in the next patch (would probably be for the best), I simply see no logical explanation why people that usually can't even interact with us should be joining us collecting bear arses to fuel our race wars.

Edit: Though we aleady discussed this stuff to death last year/earlier this year

[Sondrelk]

Except for them having literally no reason to leave the shadowlands yet and join the mortals and their pathetic squabbles. The allied races joined because it was usefull to them, so unless we blow up the shadowlands in the next patch (would probably be for the best), I simply see no logical explanation why people that usually can't even interact with us should be joining us collecting bear arses to fuel our race wars.

"The struggle on Azeroth is vital to the Shadowlands' continued survival, and our Aspirants/Fae/Recruits/Venthyr are curious to see how such a tiny planet can change so much. Let us join you in your struggles to help the Shadowlands."

It's the easiest explanation possible. Azeroth is importnat to the Shadolands in some way we don't fuly understand yet, why not just have denizens of the Shadowlands join us to help?

[Cosmic Janitor]

"The struggle on Azeroth is vital to the Shadowlands' continued survival, and our Aspirants/Fae/Recruits/Venthyr are curious to see how such a tiny planet can change so much. Let us join you in your struggles to help the Shadowlands."

It's the easiest explanation possible. Azeroth is importnat to the Shadolands in some way we don't fuly understand yet, why not just have denizens of the Shadowlands join us to help?

That doesn't explain why they would join the player factions though, which we as players have to do by default. Unless we will be seeing a neutral faction option/mode I just don't see much sense in having people which are cruicial to the way the shadowlands work come back to the world of the living and fuck about instead of ferrying souls, protecting the shadowlands against the other cosmic forces, .. whatever it is night fae do ... or sucking the evil from baddy souls. They already have alot of issues and their realsm are in shambles too. Not to mention it would completely undermine even the last shred of gravitas for death in the franchise if everyone literally could just come back as a blue human for the lols.