Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Emet-Selch]

Why would you not google it before making this comment? He's right, Darkfallen are San'layn. They're vampires blood elves from Wrath, not Dark Rangers. Although I guess Blizz could combine the two.

Fairly sure they retconned that in the sylvanas novel so that Darkfallen refers to all undead elves, not just San'layn.

[infinitemeridian]

I'm still confused as to what the content for dragonriding will entail. Will there be combat? Or is it just a movement system?

[Three Faced Goddess]

This is pure copium but maybe just maybe pre order bonus is darkfallen and more class/race combos..

I fucking hope so, it's literally the only thing I want in WoW besides the last two expansions being retconned (never happening.)

[Izalla]

And on top of this, BfA has a lot more WC feel than SL (or Azerothian I guess). Exiles Reach to BfA was made to have a smooth transition, and BfA zones have their own storylines that get resolved as any most other zone storylines, while the SL ones have this huge overarching main drought/jailer plot with the zone stories being side ones

Another big thing about Shadowlands leveling that makes it just NOT work for a new player experience is that you only play through half the story of each zone as you level and can't touch the other half without picking a covenant and even then that is only the other half of one single zone and there is absolutely no resolution to any of those stories the way there is in BFA's zones.

[infinitemeridian]

Can somebody link the original leak post where it talks about darkfallen?

[Three Faced Goddess]

I thought Darkfallen were just nathanos looking undead? Well preserved Elven or human looking pale skinned red eyes typically as Dark Rangers.

Darkfallen encompass all undead elves like Sylvanas, including Banshees, Dark Rangers and San'layn.

[Ersula]

I fucking hope so, it's literally the only thing I want in WoW besides the last two expansions being retconned (never happening.)

It seemed like a given, but then after the reveal of the Dracthyr....

They're showing they're not ruling out class archetypes for being too similar to existing classes, quite the opposite in fact. Yeah, Undead Elves have been in the horde since vanilla, while never playing a huge role, they've been around for a long time. AND them adding story routes like Saa'ra and Varoth showing that there's more where they came from. But no: Evokers now show that they might put them on the back burner FOR YEARS because now adding Darkfallen-only Dark Rangers as a real class suddenly becomes an option.

Dracthyr is effectively the death of "Class identity" & the rise of all kinds of class & race combinations only marginally different from ones we already have. I don't hate this idea but I'd like to play a mini-sylvanas soon please.

[Teriz]

It seemed like a given, but then after the reveal of the Dracthyr....

They're showing they're not ruling out class archetypes for being too similar to existing classes, quite the opposite in fact. Yeah, Undead Elves have been in the horde since vanilla, while never playing a huge role, they've been around for a long time. AND them adding story routes like Saa'ra and Varoth showing that there's more where they came from. But no: Evokers now show that they might put them on the back burner FOR YEARS because now adding Darkfallen-only Dark Rangers as a real class suddenly becomes an option.

Dracthyr is effectively the death of "Class identity" & the rise of all kinds of class & race combinations only marginally different from ones we already have. I don't hate this idea but I'd like to play a mini-sylvanas soon please.

Uh, the Dracthyr is WAY different than the other classes in the game. What are you even talking about?

[Emet-Selch]

Uh, the Dracthyr is WAY different than the other classes in the game. What are you even talking about?

At this point 98% of what they type is just dooming bait.

[DeltrusDisc]

Ugh...

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...erview/1223605

Yay...

Please don't kill her...

Wait, so... "small changes to EK and Kalimdor"... does this mean we aren't getting the full revamp they said we'd get?

[Three Faced Goddess]

It seemed like a given, but then after the reveal of the Dracthyr....

They're showing they're not ruling out class archetypes for being too similar to existing classes, quite the opposite in fact. Yeah, Undead Elves have been in the horde since vanilla, while never playing a huge role, they've been around for a long time. AND them adding story routes like Saa'ra and Varoth showing that there's more where they came from. But no: Evokers now show that they might put them on the back burner FOR YEARS because now adding Darkfallen-only Dark Rangers as a real class suddenly becomes an option.

Dracthyr is effectively the death of "Class identity" & the rise of all kinds of class & race combinations only marginally different from ones we already have. I don't hate this idea but I'd like to play a mini-sylvanas soon please.

I've wanted Dark Rangers for over a decade now, I hope one day I'll either get my wish or Blizzard will finally conclusively tell me no.

[Ersula]

At this point 98% of what they type is just dooming bait.

I didn't say that's a bad thing. It's fine. But it is certianly a change in their philosophy. Mechanically Dracthyr are unique, but in terms of aesthetics & motif? Fire & Ice & Nature? What are their tier sets going to look like? Cause Fire, Ice & Dragons were Mage's whole iconography until now. Previously they said Dark Rangers are two close conceptually to Hunters but that idea has gone out of the window.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Wait, so... "small changes to EK and Kalimdor"... does this mean we aren't getting the full revamp they said we'd get?

Probably small specific changes that isn't a full one and I don't expect one either.

[Three Faced Goddess]

Huh, haven't even considered that.

The AR is probably just Darkfallen for both factions, but keeping Darfallen on the horde and getting a Starrande AR for the alliance would also be great.

That'd be a double win. Thank you for making me want something else that I'll probably never live to see.

[Cheezits]

Maybe Forsaken will be building a new town on the coast of EK that both factions use to get to Dragon Isles? That would explain why there are getting a small update at all instead of just waiting until after the expansion.

The biggest and most HD boat Horde has right now is the Forsaken boat they added on BFA, and they use it in Exiles Reach, so they probably will use it again here

Don't know what the Kalimdor changes works be unless it's Hyjal being updated with nelves.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Won’t people just go to a website and find a build and just use that instead of experimenting with the talent trees?
We’re sure that this will happen. We’re also sure that people will make fun and distinct builds that work for their own style of playing the game.

Blizzard finally. FINALLY. Understands what we've been saying for years.

The same players who looked up cookie cutter builds pre-MoP are still looking up cookie cutter builds now. Those are not the players talents should have been designed around. They should be designed for those of us who actually wanted the customization experience.

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It's probably the SW/ORG updates. Probably an area where we can modify our dragon outside of the Dragon Isles hence the stable.

Maybe some Drakthyr mill around there.

[DeltrusDisc]

Probably small specific changes that isn't a full one and I don't expect one either.

Honestly kinda disappointed.

I really liked the Cata revamp and the zones need a damned uplift/update. Some battles are LONG done and over with... show it, please.

[boyzma]

Honestly kinda disappointed.

I really liked the Cata revamp and the zones need a damned uplift/update. Some battles are LONG done and over with... show it, please.

When did Blizzard ever say they were going to fully revamp anything....except years ago

[Cheezits]

Honestly kinda disappointed.

I really liked the Cata revamp and the zones need a damned uplift/update. Some battles are LONG done and over with... show it, please.

They are working on it. It may just take another five years.

[rhorle]

Why would you not google it before making this comment? He's right, Darkfallen are San'layn. They're vampires blood elves from Wrath, not Dark Rangers. Although I guess Blizz could combine the two.

San'layn are Darkfallen but not all Darkfallen are San'layn. While it was originally used to refer to elves Arthas raised it has been kept as a "name" by the Forsaken for specific groups of their ranks. There is also a few that are not Forsaken as they decided to not officially join after Sylvanas made them Dark Rangers.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Darkfallen