Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Honestly kinda disappointed.

I really liked the Cata revamp and the zones need a damned uplift/update. Some battles are LONG done and over with... show it, please.

They've been showing it... slowly, and not in the zones that actually needed it.

For some reason every zone they pluck out of Cataclysm, HD-ify, and then invade by Orcs or Undead are the zones that aren't still literally burning in the immediate aftermath of Deathwing showing up.

Those are the zones that most need a revamp, and by now the quests have aged so badly that a lot of zones need those redone too in a lot of zones.

Hell Silverpine starts with the Dead Evil Ex-Warchief calling the Paying Pennance in the Maw Evil Ex-Warchief a Bitch (well that was censored but point still stands) because the latter isn't respecting the former's post of Warchief.

Of course none of this matters because Blizz was able to sweep the problems under a Chromie-shaped rug.

[rhorle]

Fairly sure they retconned that in the sylvanas novel so that Darkfallen refers to all undead elves, not just San'layn.

The novel doesn't make it clear if it is all undead elves but it is all elves raised by Arthas and later Sylvanas/Forsaken.

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I didn't say that's a bad thing. It's fine. But it is certianly a change in their philosophy. Mechanically Dracthyr are unique, but in terms of aesthetics & motif? Fire & Ice & Nature? What are their tier sets going to look like? Cause Fire, Ice & Dragons were Mage's whole iconography until now. Previously they said Dark Rangers are two close conceptually to Hunters but that idea has gone out of the window.

Shamans also share fire and water (ice) with mages and have done just fine. You are just looking for some excuse to be negative about it. Tier set will be just fine as they always have. Lol.

[Pheraz]

Why BFA still? just why?

Because BFA has a perfect starting experience, is atmosphericly very close to exile's reach and thematically more grounded than SL. No Azerite crap so I can't see many people disagreed on this decision. Kind of hardcore to trash their latest xpac until then though but maybe they are upset with the thematic result themselves. Sad for ZM though, because this zone is absolute top tier. But not for the rest. Especially this horrible maw intro. Can you imagine people going from exile's reach to the maw?

[Ersula]

Maybe Forsaken will be building a new town on the coast of EK that both factions use to get to Dragon Isles? That would explain why there are getting a small update at all instead of just waiting until after the expansion.

The biggest and most HD boat Horde has right now is the Forsaken boat they added on BFA, and they use it in Exiles Reach, so they probably will use it again here

The Night elves are likely setting up shop somewhere in Kalimdor: We've already found the new Tirisfal map in 9.2.5 that shows Brill, post-Battle-for-Lordaeron in various states of construction. This is likely what they were referring to.

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Shamans also share fire and water (ice) with mages and have done just fine. You are just looking for some excuse to be negative about it. Tier set will be just fine as they always have. Lol.

Are you sure about that? Because much like the 9.2 tier sets, if you say you can say what classes the 10.0 tier previews correspond to, with any kind of certainty, you're a liar.

Personally I like that they'll have to incorporate entirely new motifs to make the sets stand out, and that before Tuesday I'd say Tinker & Bard had the best chance of becoming a class because they had a more unique vibe for a class archetype but that idea is gone. Dark Rangers, Necromancers, Blood Mages, Paladins but goth... nothing of off the table now.

[wowrefugee]

https://warcraft.blizzplanet.com/blo...-and-tina-wang


Blizzplanet interview transcript got updated

Some things that stick out

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and that was one of the things with the Dracthyr that we’re excited about is with their Visage Form. Some people ask like: “Oh, why can’t I be like a gnome Dracthyr,” for instance; but truly, this makes it so that we can put so many options within this single class; and that’s why we wanted to do it. Just like give all of these options. We have way more options in terms of how many.

- heritage armor wasn’t in shadowlands because The Lore didn’t allow for individual race stories
- don’t know if they will be in dragonflight (lol)

- likely won’t get new race/class combos like night elf Paladin because they want to focus on Dracthy Evokers (lol)



The heritage armor quote is especially annoying. You’re telling me Shadowlands didn’t have an opening for a night elf heritage story, really?

[Murlocos]

I only see a world revamp happening as a partial (at least at launch) affair and all content strictly for endgame purposes, nothing for the earlier leveling brackets. They've intentionally built Exile's Reach and stripped away parts of BfA to make it as generic of a plot as possible. Cataclysm leveling zones are filled with references to Wrath having just happened and the Cataclysm having just happened, for BfA they tried taking out any references to the aftermath of Legion. The issue is that you don't actually get a real conclusion to the overarching plot so you'd go from wrapping up the leveling stories of BfA to Sylvanas (and presumably Anduin) suddenly being gone and yoinked away to go chase after Sylvanas in the afterlife suddenly.

That aside, expecting a Cata-tier revamp at this point in the game's life is just unreasonable in my eyes. The game was 6 years old when Cataclysm came out; it's been 12 years since that. Unless DF seriously rights the ship and Microsoft sees fit to allocate more resources to a then-19 or 20 year old game at that point, the current team doesn't seem capable of an expansion on that level of scope and ambition within a normal expansion cycle. And executive eyes are probably more focused on getting Diablo IV out the door and looking into why a massive cashcow like Overwatch became so mismanaged.

[datguy81]

Red shirt guy posted this on twitter

Okay, so
@Gurzog
showed me a 4chan post from April 16th that lists every detail about Dragonflight. It gets everything right, but has two additional points.

-Murozond is the main villain
-Pre-ordering the expansion unlocks a new allied race (not dracthyr, something else)

Sooooo.... Darkfallen?

Oh, it also says the release is Q1 2023 and there's a "dragonflight covenant" which might be dragon riding since it's not mentioned otherwise and it is about you choosing a dragon to ally with (just not a flight).“

[rhorle]

Are you sure about that? Because much like the 9.2 tier sets, if you say you can say what classes the 10.0 tier previews correspond to, with any kind of certainty, you're a liar.

Don't move the goal posts. My comments were not about predicting tier sets but simply how classes that share fire still can have distinct tier sets. We also already know what classes have what tier sets because Blizzard labeled them in the concept art. So I wouldn't even be a liar if I said with certainty lol.

[Ersula]

Don't move the goal posts. My comments were not about predicting tier sets but simply how classes that share fire still can have distinct tier sets. We also already know what classes have what tier sets because Blizzard labeled them in the concept art. So I wouldn't even be a liar if I said with certainty lol.

lol they literally added the labels today because nobody could tell the classes apart yesterday

But I'm not saying any of that is a bad thing: You just want to argue.

And executive eyes are probably more focused on getting Diablo IV out the door and looking into why a massive cashcow like Overwatch became so mismanaged.

??? For all we know Diablo 4 is coming out after Dragonflight & World of Warcraft makes more money than the Diablo Franchise.

[Syegfryed]

I dunno if it was posted early, but damn, those "humanoids" are fugly, just give me a base tauren and im set.

[Teriz]

I didn't say that's a bad thing. It's fine. But it is certianly a change in their philosophy. Mechanically Dracthyr are unique, but in terms of aesthetics & motif? Fire & Ice & Nature? What are their tier sets going to look like? Cause Fire, Ice & Dragons were Mage's whole iconography until now. Previously they said Dark Rangers are two close conceptually to Hunters but that idea has gone out of the window.

It's based on the Dragonflights; Black, Red, Bronze, Green, and Blue. It goes quite a bit beyond Arcane, Fire, and Frost. In fact, the core concept is combining the flight's powers together (Prismatics) in order to maximize effects. For example, using the Bronze's power of time to enhance the power of a Green healing spell.

As for aesthetics, Mages aren't dragons flying around with wings, hitting people with their tail, or breathing fire/arcane/healing mists out of their mouths.

[Syegfryed]

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Blizzplanet interview transcript got updated

Some things that stick out

Note how they didn't said if we can be a gnome or other race with the visage, they are walking on eggs on this one.

- heritage armor wasn’t in shadowlands because The Lore didn’t allow for individual race stories
- don’t know if they will be in dragonflight (lol)

Always with the lame excuses, they could have jsut said they didn't had time and were working in something else, which is the truth, by that argument, in drago isles there will be no opportuntiy for heritage armor as well.

The opporunity only exist if they acitvely create then, like you said, they could have easily made up night elf heritage armor with Tyrande in shadowlands, trolls with vol'jin and bwosandi, even orcs with thrall giving up orgrin black armor, he don't deserve it anyway

- likely won’t get new race/class combos like night elf Paladin because they want to focus on Dracthy Evokers (lol)

This is such a bullshit excuse, what the hell they need to do/focus to allow other races pick up a class?

[Teriz]

I dunno if it was posted early, but damn, those "humanoids" are fugly, just give me a base tauren and im set.

As much as I love the new class, some of those custom Visage combinations are downright ugly. Why the hell is Blizzard pushing that?

My visage is going to look as normal as possible.

[Ersula]

It's based on the Dragonflights; Black, Red, Bronze, Green, and Blue. It goes quite a bit beyond Arcane, Fire, and Frost. In fact, the core concept is combining the flight's powers together (Prismatics) in order to maximize effects. For example, using the Bronze's power of time to enhance the power of a Green healing spell.

As for aesthetics, Mages aren't dragons flying around with wings, hitting people with their tail, or breathing fire/arcane/healing mists out of their mouths.

"Don't say Dragon's Breath, don't say Dragon's Breath, don't say Dragon's Breath..."

You're a little defensive: But I did always wonder why they got rid of Frostfire Bolt, really just renaming it to Flurry - I think that was the moment they decided to make Evoker a thing.

[Syegfryed]

As much as I love the new class, some of those custom Visage combinations are downright ugly. Why the hell is Blizzard pushing that?

My visage is going to look as normal as possible.

Because the dragon race of Final fantasy look like anime girls with scales, thy want to milk on that

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

As much as I love the new class, some of those custom Visage combinations are downright ugly. Why the hell is Blizzard pushing that?

My visage is going to look as normal as possible.

I really hope they look like that because Blizz turned all of the options on and we can make them look more like the Aspects do in their visage forms.

Because holy fuck that is like someone got done running one of those... what are they.... color rush 5ks? The ones where the douse you with body paint as you run.

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Because the dragon race of Final fantasy look like anime girls with scales, thy want to milk on that

Well they failed miserably at it then. Because at least the FF14 lizard race looks normal.

[Ersula]

I really hope they look like that because Blizz turned all of the options on and we can make them look more like the Aspects do in their visage forms.

Because holy fuck that is like someone got done running one of those... what are they.... color rush 5ks? The ones where the douse you with body paint as you run.

I'm a bit confused about the interview comments. Were they trying to imply that they were going to add other race options for visage if they have time...or were they just deflecting like "You gnome-f*ckers will get Tinkers next expansion stop complaining"

[Izalla]

So I'm a bit confused: in the announcement video before the deep dives Ion mentions hybridization while talking about the talent revamp. Then in the IGN interview he specifically references being a ret/holy or ret/prot paladin, and again mentions that we lost the ability to be hybrids when they got rid of talent trees. But the blue post about the talent revamp specifically says that you cannot put points into more than one spec tree. So where exactly is the hybridization coming from? The "class utility" side? Doesn't that basically just give you standard abilities for the class, not let you dip your toe into more than one spec in a single build?

[Syegfryed]

I really hope they look like that because Blizz turned all of the options on and we can make them look more like the Aspects do in their visage forms.

Because holy fuck that is like someone got done running one of those... what are they.... color rush 5ks? The ones where the douse you with body paint as you run.

Even if you disable their scales they still look like dumb elves with duckface, its uncanny valley level of shit.

If i can't be a black badass tauren turning into a black badass dragon this expansion can fuck off

Well they failed miserably at it then. Because at least the FF14 lizard race looks normal.

blizzard always want to give their special touch

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I'm a bit confused about the interview comments. Were they trying to imply that they were going to add other race options for visage if they have time...or were they just deflecting like "You gnome-f*ckers will get Tinkers next expansion stop complaining"

I was trying to parse it and settled on "We ended up only having one skeleton for each because it allowed us to do a lot more customization options than we would have been able to if we had to port it to every single race."