Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Xilurm]

Please Blizzard for god sake.

If only female Drakthyr looked like that though.

[Nyel]

This expac could lead into the world revamp expac because they finally updated gnolls and centaurs. Also some new applicable artpieces: Red qualthalas trees, rocky spires for 1x needles, etc!

Where have I read this before... a, right after Legion, BfA and most recently after Shadowlands.

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Just a theory of course.

But the expansion for 2024- early 2025 would be World of Warcrafts 20th year anniversary. If there was going to be a big one, that would be it.

People expected that for 10.0 too. And it's just another generic expansion like BfA and Shadowlands.

[huth]

If only female Drakthyr looked like that though.

Seems to me more like that's meant to be a full-on dragon.

She probably has more... "romantic" experience than Wrathion, too.

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And thats precisely what im criticizing? their visage? Maybe pay a little attention to the discussion before a gotcha attempt.


Great, let me mimicry other races as well, everyone wins

Well, clearly you're critising something you don't properly understand, then, and just trying to do dumb "gotchas" instead of actually making proper arguments.

[Syegfryed]

Well, clearly you're critising something you don't properly understand, then

I proper understand then, thank you, thats im criticizing then, wanting other races

and just trying to do dumb "gotchas" instead of actually making proper arguments.

But, that is literally what are you doing?

[Nachtigal]

If we don’t fight Galakrond, and I mean REALLY FIGHT Galakrond, I will actually be upset. If they give us some deathwing bullshit where we scratch his back and trim his nails and beard, I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

[huth]

I proper understand then, thank you, thats im criticizing then, wanting other races but, that is literally what are you doing?

You were literally calling the dev team lazy for not giving you the options you want for an alternate form that probably won't even be used all that much if Worgen are any indication, regardless of what the actual reason is, not making an actual argument.

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so. Not some loss to yourself, that's not a compelling argument in a game played by millions.

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If we don’t fight Galakrond, and I mean REALLY FIGHT Galakrond, I will actually be upset. If they give us some deathwing bullshit where we scratch his back and trim his nails and beard, I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

So you will either be upset or disappointed? Because i really don't see how else they could do it. Guy is even bigger than DW.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so.
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Do you also report stuff or give feedback to multi million dollar companies saying "i apologize for reporting issue in the game, i know you have a lot on your head" at the beginning of sentence?

They pulled the ripcord finally based on feedback, just like other things that got improved or fixed, resulting in a lot more players on the servers.

Weird ways to look at it, so it's better to not have any opinion or give feedback, reporting things because "point to some actual gain from doing so", literally accepting shit on the platter with a smile, because you seem like a person like that after saying that. ^^

[Sondrelk]

I said it yesterday, but I lost hope that they were updating models because of a planned revamp all along. Come 2024/2025 for 11.0 the first models to come for this supposed revamp would be 10 years old and there would be a graphical difference between the first and last

Don't forget how the developers acknowledged player housing, and a world revamp is definitely the best time to have one of those.

[Syegfryed]

You were literally calling the dev team lazy for not giving you the options you want for an alternate form that probably won't even be used all that much if Worgen are any indication, regardless of what the actual reason is, not making an actual argument.

What is the actual reason then? Enlight us

I don't care if the alternate form will not even be used, that is as much argument to not make customizations for then, at all, and just allow then to be any race.

Whats the matter? you won't even be useing then all that much

Now, if i were you guys: "they are wasting resources in those customizations, they should just remove all of then and play only as the dragon form! Since they are NOT dragons it make no sense for then to change forms!".

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so. Not some loss to yourself, that's not a compelling argument in a game played by millions.

Plenty of points were already made of the actual gains dude. you don't even need to give the dragon customizations to other races, just allow the basic core races be an option for visage and its done.

"compelling argument in a game played by millions" yeah, nice ad populum

[huth]

Do you also report stuff or give feedback to multi million dollar companies saying "i apologize for reporting issue in the game, i know you have a lot on your head" at the beginning of sentence?

Learn economics and you'll understand. Or don't learn and keep languishing without ever being able to get ahead.

Blizzard is, at the end of a day, still a company. They have to do things for money, that's not a choice.

Doesn't mean we have to like it, but complaining alone won't get us anywhere.

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Whats the matter? you won't even be useing then all that much

That's the matter. Why invest into something with no payoff? There's no point.

[Valysar]

So you will either be upset or disappointed? Because i really don't see how else they could do it. Guy is even bigger than DW.

That's what we need right now, big bosses. Bosses atm are so small, it feels less "epic". Remember when fighting DW or Supremus or Archimonde ? Epic

[Teriz]

If only female Drakthyr looked like that though.

Why can’t they? We haven’t seen all of their customizations yet.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Learn economics and you'll understand. Or don't learn and keep languishing without ever being able to get ahead.

Blizzard is, at the end of a day, still a company. They have to do things for money, that's not a choice.

Doesn't mean we have to like it, but complaining alone won't get us anywhere.

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That's the matter. Why invest into something with no payoff? There's no point.

I don't need to learn economics to voice my opinion on something or give feedback on something, its better than sitting with your mouth shut, just buying the product even when there's a chance that something could be changed.

Ask the inverted question yourself that you asked Syegfryed, Why not invest into something? How do you know if there will be no payoff?

You are literally the perfect customer for today companies.

[Hugnomo]

Its what bugs me about this fanbase. And why we can't have a more unified playerbase

They are not happy about having their stuff, they need that other people lose things or don't gain then to be happy, and, they try by any means disregard or deny what others want, they feel somehow threatened.

Its just an absurd lack of empathy, veiled with excuses like "makes sense in lore" "it would be too much work!"

Despite how they are creating the lore right now and they are not an indie company.

Once again I completely agree. Damn shame. People look at wow content as a zero sum game. "If someone gets something they liked must mean I didn't get something I like." This game has 18 years of diverse additions. Sometimes you get something that appeals more to you, sometimes you don't, you can't expect the game to cater to your specific desires every single time.

[micwini]

If we don’t fight Galakrond, and I mean REALLY FIGHT Galakrond, I will actually be upset. If they give us some deathwing bullshit where we scratch his back and trim his nails and beard, I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

Get ready for the last boss of the 2nd raid to be Galakrond's Leftmost Toenail.

[Syegfryed]

That's the matter. Why invest into something with no payoff? There's no point.

And why are they doing? why they are giving som many customizations for the elf form?

Blizzard is, at the end of a day, still a company. They have to do things for money, that's not a choice.

Such a small indie company who get so low income

[Dioporco]

Why can’t they? We haven’t seen all of their customizations yet.

Mechagnomes experience


Plus if you dont go full tits during the first presentation, there are low chance you are gonna later.

[Syegfryed]

Once again I completely agree. Damn shame. People look at wow content as a zero sum game. "If someone gets something they liked must mean I didn't get something I like." This game has 18 years of diverse additions. Sometimes you get something that appeals more to you, sometimes you don't, you can't expect the game to cater to your specific desires every single time.

And its not even a matter of choice, or who gets something first or later, they already have something, adding more races as visage will not take away anything from then, its astonishing.

[huth]

Once again I completely agree. Damn shame. People look at wow content as a zero sum game. "If someone gets something they liked must mean I didn't get something I like." This game has 18 years of diverse additions. Sometimes you get something that appeals more to you, sometimes you don't, you can't expect the game to cater to your specific desires every single time.

Except it is. They only have finite development time. If they spend it on one thing, that necessarily means they don't spend it on something else. Now, the idea that they would have spent it on something that particular person likes instead is a bit silly, but everything does have a cost and Blizzard still has finite resources.

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And its not even a matter of choice, or who gets something first or later, they already have something, adding more races as visage will not take away anything from then, its astonishing.

Yes it is and yes it would.

[Hugnomo]

Except it is. They only have finite development time. If they spend it on one thing, that necessarily means they don't spend it on something else. Now, the idea that they would have spent it on something that particular person likes instead is a bit silly, but everything does have a cost and Blizzard still has finite resources.

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Yes it is and yes it would.

Yes of course, every piece of content spends development resources, that is true.
I was speaking more to receptions like "don't like dragons or drak'thyr, no one plays monster races, they shouldn't have chosen them for an expansion feature, they should have gone for prettier races instead". Like, this fantasy isn't for you, that's fine. We've gotten plenty of pretty races before and we will again, just wait for the next one.

And also, there is a difference between choosing something to pursue and how it materializes in game, its quality.
It's a bit annoying for me when people complain about the choice, but I have no problem with fans of the choice giving feedback on how they'd prefer to see it, to suggest alterations, etc. That's how the game works, whether it's races, classes, story, gameplay, etc.
They chose dragons. A part of their fantasy is having diverse humanoid forms. I understand it's a heavy task, but it's completely understandable that people would expect it when it's established lore.
Personaly, I've come to terms that it's a big expenditure to create other humanoid forms. Blizzard is within their right to prioritze other things. But fans are allowed to ask for it too.