Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

This would be great and not hard to make!

How would it not be hard to make? You want them to create the Dracthyr customizations on every single model and yet it is not a lot of work?

[Makabreska]

He says he hates it, but he actually loves elves with a passion.

That would be the biggest 5head plot twist of the century.

[Lorca]

How would it not be hard to make? You want them to create the Dracthyr customizations on every single model and yet it is not a lot of work?

Please, don’t try to defend the lazyness of choosing again the blood elf model… how hard is it to put those already created textures on the other races?

[Makabreska]

Please, don’t try to defend the lazyness of choosing again the blood elf model… how hard it is to put those already created textures on the other races?

Dunno, you tell us. Seems that you know well how designing and implementing said designs for WoW characters works.

[boyzma]

Please, don’t try to defend the lazyness of choosing again the blood elf model… how hard is it to put those already created textures on the other races?

Sadly this is the attitude of many people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. "All they have to do is push a button" or some such bs. I'm not a designer and have no clue about the mechanics of it, but I'm pretty sure it's not as easy as you think.

[Lorca]

Dunno, you tell us. Seems that you know well how designing and implementing said designs for WoW characters works.

Or you yourself could tell me, as you and the other guy completely fall into the need of quoting me, because you probably know a lot of designing 8).

The same way they put those assets in two different models, they can do it for the other races, or just avoid it and invest time working on the actual new race and not “so much” -according to you- into, again, Blood Elves. Why should all the people who don’t play Elves get a new class, for the second time, with Elves? Oh, yes, and the most boring human option… not even the Kul’tiran model.

[boyzma]

Or you yourself could tell me, as you and the other guy completely fall into the need of quoting me, because you probably know a lot of designing 8).

The same way they put those assets in two different models, they can do it for the other races, or just avoid it and invest time working on the actual new race and not “so much” -according to you- into, again, Blood Elves. Why should all the people who don’t play Elves get a new class, for the second time, with Elves? Oh, yes, and the most boring human option… not even the Kul’tiran model.

Nice side stepping /s

[Nymrohd]

Or you yourself could tell me, as you and the other guy completely fall into the need of quoting me, because you probably know a lot of designing 8).

The same way they put those assets in two different models, they can do it for the other races, or just avoid it and invest time working on the actual new race and not “so much” -according to you- into, again, Blood Elves. Why should all the people who don’t play Elves get a new class, for the second time, with Elves? Oh, yes, and the most boring human option… not even the Kul’tiran model.

I know enough to tell you that each race has its own texture map so it's not copy pasting. The most you get is that you can sample the textures but they still have to be refitted on the each map.

[Lorca]

Sadly this is the attitude of many people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. "All they have to do is push a button" or some such bs. I'm not a designer and have no clue about the mechanics of it, but I'm pretty sure it's not as easy as you think.

You say you don’t know about it, but then you say you are “pretty sure” about how it works. Talk about contradictions here. If they did it with two models, and they got the experience for doing that twice, why can’t they do it for different models so more people could enjoy it?

Honestly, it’s pretty upsetting how egoistic so many of you are. You get your favorite models, and when other people ask for their favorite races to be able to get the chance to play as a Dracthyr too, then you do not only not support fellow players, but you also criticize them… so annoying.

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I know enough to tell you that each race has its own texture map so it's not copy pasting. The most you get is that you can sample the textures but they still have to be refitted on the each map.

Did I say it was copy pasting?

[Makabreska]

Or you yourself could tell me, as you and the other guy completely fall into the need of quoting me, because you probably know a lot of designing 8).

The same way they put those assets in two different models, they can do it for the other races, or just avoid it and invest time working on the actual new race and not “so much” -according to you- into, again, Blood Elves. Why should all the people who don’t play Elves get a new class, for the second time, with Elves? Oh, yes, and the most boring human option… not even the Kul’tiran model.

Oh, so you yourself don't know how much work it is. But hey, let's accuse Blizz of being lazy, because we all know that these companies have infinite time and resources and if they do not implement something then it means they are lazy bastards.

[Nymrohd]

Did I say it was copy pasting?

As long as you understand that it is nearly as much work to add to each race as it is to add to the first race.

[draugril]

Sadly this is the attitude of many people who don't have a clue what they're talking about. "All they have to do is push a button" or some such bs. I'm not a designer and have no clue about the mechanics of it, but I'm pretty sure it's not as easy as you think.

It’s easy to do…

… if you don’t care about quality.

It’s a Herculean effort to make it look good.

[Alexjimithing]

Ok so to change the topic, any y'all played the Crystalline Conflict in XIV? It's easily my favorite part of that game now. Like I straight didn't play XIV after finishing the MSQ/end game stuff once but that'll keep me logging in on the regular now.

Would a small scale (5v5) point-capture/payload map work in WoW? Does it already exist and I don't know it? Cause I want a mode like that in WoW.

[Lorca]

Oh, so you yourself don't know how much work it is. But hey, let's accuse Blizz of being lazy, because we all know that these companies have infinite time and resources and if they do not implement something then it means they are lazy bastards.

Typical. Putting words in others mouths. Funny as always. Where did I say "lazy bastards"? Did I say I was a game designer? And what's the point in defending getting only two races? And do you actually know how many resources do they have? What we know is that they had time and they still will have, as they didn't even say when they are releasing these models.

[ercarp]

Off-topic but I like how the troll who was impersonating everyone and spamming weird racist shit is still pestering me, except now it's on Reddit, Twitter, and Discord instead of here. I wonder if he's bothering others too or if he just has a special obsession with me.

[Nymrohd]

Ok so to change the topic, any y'all played the Crystalline Conflict in XIV? It's easily my favorite part of that game now. Like I straight didn't play XIV after finishing the MSQ/end game stuff once but that'll keep me logging in on the regular now.

Would a small scale (5v5) point-capture/payload map work in WoW? Does it already exist and I don't know it? Cause I want a mode like that in WoW.

Small scale doesn't exist in WoW. BGs start at 10. They had considered in the past scaling some of the BGs for rated down to 6 but the idea was scrapped. I'd say Deepwind Gorge is about what you describe?

[Lorca]

As long as you understand that it is nearly as much work to add to each race as it is to add to the first race.

There's no point in arguing that it takes the same time adding the assets/textures to different models. But once you made those textures and assets, it won't take the same time it took the first time when you had to make them and test them for fitting two different models, meaning that's less time for the next cases, right?

[wowrefugee]

Ok so to change the topic, any y'all played the Crystalline Conflict in XIV? It's easily my favorite part of that game now. Like I straight didn't play XIV after finishing the MSQ/end game stuff once but that'll keep me logging in on the regular now.

Would a small scale (5v5) point-capture/payload map work in WoW? Does it already exist and I don't know it? Cause I want a mode like that in WoW.

Yeah, I was surprised by how good it was. FFs pvp has been bad for so long I didn’t think they had it in them to fix it. There’s still some issues at a core level - like heals not going off for 1-2 seconds after the button is pressed. I’ll even go as far as to say CC is more fun than most WoW pvp I’ve done.

Hmmm, in WoW? I think it could be fun, especially if the matches were just as short as CC usually is (3-7 minutes).

[Makabreska]

Typical. Putting words in others mouths. Funny as always. Where did I say "lazy bastards"? Did I say I was a game designer? And what's the point in defending getting only two races? And do you actually know how many resources do they have? What we know is that they had time and they still will have, as they didn't even say when they are releasing these models.

How much time? How many employees design and work on in-game models? How many hours per week? How much work on other models of the expansion they still have left? You say "we know", so how much?

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Off-topic but I like how the troll who was impersonating everyone and spamming weird racist shit is still pestering me, except now it's on Reddit, Twitter, and Discord instead of here. I wonder if he's bothering others too or if he just has a special obsession with me.

Yo, give pics. This gotta be that psycho Edward!

[Alexjimithing]

Yeah, I was surprised by how good it was. FFs pvp has been bad for so long I didn’t think they had it in them to fix it. There’s still some issues at a core level - like heals not going off for 1-2 seconds after the button is pressed. I’ll even go as far as to say CC is more fun than most WoW pvp I’ve done.

Hmmm, in WoW? I think it could be fun, especially if the matches were just as short as CC usually is (3-7 minutes).

Yeah I still don't enjoy the moment to moment combat in XIV as much as WoW, but the length of the matches I'm a big fan of too. I love WoW BGs but they can just drag on too much sometimes.