Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Chickat]

Please Blizzard for god sake.

Oh yes, I hadn't thought of this, but if they change the idle animation and add wrathion hair you could get close to his model. I want to look like wrathion.

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This expac could lead into the world revamp expac because they finally updated gnolls and centaurs. Also some new applicable artpieces: Red qualthalas trees, rocky spires for 1x needles, etc!

Weve been saying that for 6-8 years. At this point it feels like copium, but I want it so badly.

[Sondrelk]

Could you imagine if Galakrond (a cosmically sized locust) had a deeper and more well developed story than Warcraft Satan? It would be simultaneously sad and hilarious

Galakrond already works much better as a lynchpin villain than the Jailer did.

We have the Primal dragons who worship him.
We have his connection to the Dragon aspects, as well as dragon in general with being described as the progenitor of Dragons.
He is deeply entwined with Titan lore, so you could bring Ulduar into the story.

And of course there is the big mystery of why he went bad to begin with, which is an intriguing story hook on its own.


Just have someone ressurect him, have the Dragon aspects philosophize on why they banded together to stop him in the first place, and then have some sort of payoff with Ulduar and the keepers.
Done deal, and you have yourself the climax to a decently good story.

[draugril]

There was a tweet specifying that there would be a toggle style option as well due to accessibility issues of the press and hold style of gameplay.

Gameplay would be the same regardless. Abilities that you “charge up.”

[Sondrelk]

Oh yes, I hadn't thought of this, but if they change the idle animation and add wrathion hair you could get close to his model. I want to look like wrathion.

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Weve been saying that for 6-8 years. At this point it feels like copium, but I want it so badly.

They have to do a world revamp eventually. Outside small boring islands like Balor or Tel'abim, there isn't much space left unexplored on Azeroth. So unless Blizzard wants to go to space and stay there they have to reuse old areas eventually.

[Chickat]

Just a theory of course.

But the expansion for 2024- early 2025 would be World of Warcrafts 20th year anniversary. If there was going to be a big one, that would be it.

Idk if they would do this, but they might make Dragonflight shorter just to launch 11.0 with the hype of 20 year anniversary.

If the expansion has a Legion patch cadence, and only has 3 tiers with 2 major patches they could do it.

March 2023- Launch
June 2023- 9.1
August 2023- 9.1.5 new raid.
December 2023-9.2
Feb 2024-9.2.5 new raid.
November 2024-11.0.

[JDBlou]

Galakrond already works much better as a lynchpin villain than the Jailer did.

We have the Primal dragons who worship him.
We have his connection to the Dragon aspects, as well as dragon in general with being described as the progenitor of Dragons.
He is deeply entwined with Titan lore, so you could bring Ulduar into the story.

And of course there is the big mystery of why he went bad to begin with, which is an intriguing story hook on its own.


Just have someone ressurect him, have the Dragon aspects philosophize on why they banded together to stop him in the first place, and then have some sort of payoff with Ulduar and the keepers.
Done deal, and you have yourself the climax to a decently good story.

I enjoyed what they did with him in Hearthstone. All the different versions of resurrected Galakrond are neat.

Regarding the philosophizing, I could see them making the case that they need more than just the primary flights to need representation/seats at the Aspect table. Storm Drakes/Nether Drakes elevated to Aspect position could be quite cool.

I wonder if he could represent the "bad" side of the cosmic force of Life; unchecked growth (ie Cancer). IF they want to go cosmic with it towards the end.

[Chickat]

I said it yesterday, but I lost hope that they were updating models because of a planned revamp all along. Come 2024/2025 for 11.0 the first models to come for this supposed revamp would be 10 years old and there would be a graphical difference between the first and last

I already commented on this once, but MoP had goat upgrade. The goat still holds up really well, as do all the WoD buildings etc. I don't think there is nearly as big of a difference as you think. They finalized the char detail level with MoP and Pandaren and the newest char models are at best 10-20% more detailed. WoW was settling into its current art style in MoP, and by WoD/Legion it hasn't changed much at all. They could easily still do a world revamp.

Now, I'm also starting to doubt its going to happen, but its not because the older assets are bad.

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You were literally calling the dev team lazy for not giving you the options you want for an alternate form that probably won't even be used all that much if Worgen are any indication, regardless of what the actual reason is, not making an actual argument.

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so. Not some loss to yourself, that's not a compelling argument in a game played by millions.

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So you will either be upset or disappointed? Because i really don't see how else they could do it. Guy is even bigger than DW.

IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

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You were literally calling the dev team lazy for not giving you the options you want for an alternate form that probably won't even be used all that much if Worgen are any indication, regardless of what the actual reason is, not making an actual argument.

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so. Not some loss to yourself, that's not a compelling argument in a game played by millions.

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So you will either be upset or disappointed? Because i really don't see how else they could do it. Guy is even bigger than DW.

IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

[Santandame]

I'll repeat what I've said before.

Murozond makes perfect sense for the final boss of the expansion. I imagine the raid will be a timeline/timeways themed raid with bosses from past Warcraft lore who we've never fought, alternate versions of heroes who we haven't thought, like say an evil Thrall, and maybe a boss that will be a future WoW character.

The finale cinematic will set up 11.0. Murozond opens a time portal and one of the following happens.

- A future/past/alternate version of a WoW character shows up and ushers in the next expansion.

- The portal is to pre-sundering Kalimdor, which would be in line with the opening of the Dragonflight cinematic. A character like Azshara, Xal'atath or Wrathion jumps through and we get a War of the Ancients or Ancient Kalimdor expansion.

- The portal stays open and can't be closed. Different timelines leak into ours, enemies, characters, locations and events. We also hop through different timelines in a "What If?" style expansion.

It's time to face facts guys, we aren't getting a world revamp.

Galakrond will be a boss for sure, but he doesn't scream end boss. Either he shows up in the Murozond raid or he gets his own, but not expansion finale. Same with Chromatus.

[Jodmos]

Gameplay would be the same regardless. Abilities that you “charge up.”

I may have replied to the wrong person. i think there were a couple of posts how the press and hold style of the gameplay could be annoying.

[Alanar]

Why is that version sped up and missing frames compared to the original presentation?

Probably some one just put it together and added the LOUD music as well, it's cropped I guess.

[Rathwell]

I said "vaguely elfish and vaguely humanish".

Which is what they are.

These don't look like Elves at all. They don't look like Humans at all either. They use the same skeletons. But pointed ears do not an elf make. Especially in WoW, where elf ears are like, two feet long

These are instantly differentiated as different races.

Elf ears do not need to be "two feet long" in Warcraft. Here's a comparison between Void Elves, Blood Elves, and the new race.




The only notable difference is the lack of eyebrows, eye glow and horns, but I think to most people it's very, very clear that their humanoid form is definitely just horned elves.

[Jodmos]

I'll repeat what I've said before.

Murozond makes perfect sense for the final boss of the expansion. I imagine the raid will be a timeline/timeways themed raid with bosses from past Warcraft lore who we've never fought, alternate versions of heroes who we haven't thought, like say an evil Thrall, and maybe a boss that will be a future WoW character.

The finale cinematic will set up 11.0. Murozond opens a time portal and one of the following happens.

- A future/past/alternate version of a WoW character shows up and ushers in the next expansion.

- The portal is to pre-sundering Kalimdor, which would be in line with the opening of the Dragonflight cinematic. A character like Azshara, Xal'atath or Wrathion jumps through and we get a War of the Ancients or Ancient Kalimdor expansion.

- The portal stays open and can't be closed. Different timelines leak into ours, enemies, characters, locations and events. We also hop through different timelines in a "What If?" style expansion.

It's time to face facts guys, we aren't getting a world revamp.

Galakrond will be a boss for sure, but he doesn't scream end boss. Either he shows up in the Murozond raid or he gets his own, but not expansion finale. Same with Chromatus.

Maybe Galakrond is shacked up underground with Azeroth and the big reveal at the end will be Galakrond breaking free and causing a world revamp.

[Sondrelk]

I already commented on this once, but MoP had goat upgrade. The goat still holds up really well, as do all the WoD buildings etc. I don't think there is nearly as big of a difference as you think. They finalized the char detail level with MoP and Pandaren and the newest char models are at best 10-20% more detailed. WoW was settling into its current art style in MoP, and by WoD/Legion it hasn't changed much at all. They could easily still do a world revamp.

Now, I'm also starting to doubt its going to happen, but its not because the older assets are bad.

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IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

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IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

Think the Bloodthirsty in SoO was pretty massive, and that worked just fine. A tiny bit more, or even just a different body plan might work.

Or you could always go for the ledge boss approach of course. Giant head, wings and/or claws.
Deathwing got across that humongous size pretty well, could always just go for that approach again.

[JDBlou]

IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

ICC airship battle 2.0 incoming. Only way the scaling would work, hopefully /s.

[Sondrelk]

Elf ears do not need to be "two feet long" in Warcraft. Here's a comparison between Void Elves, Blood Elves, and the new race.




The only notable difference is the lack of eyebrows, eye glow and horns, but I think to most people it's very, very clear that their humanoid form is definitely just horned elves.

Horny elves you say?

[Jodmos]

Elf ears do not need to be "two feet long" in Warcraft. Here's a comparison between Void Elves, Blood Elves, and the new race.




The only notable difference is the lack of eyebrows, eye glow and horns, but I think to most people it's very, very clear that their humanoid form is definitely just horned elves.

It will be interesting to see the facial options to see if they've been tweaked a bit so they aren't exactly blood elf faces, but we'll surely get lots of comparison when the alpha/beta is more open.

[Lady Atia]

Oh man, that'd be cool! A more visually diverse version of the ToC armor. Give Paladins the new Uther model's armor as a tier set. Khadgar/Jaina/Azshara for mage? It'd probably be new Alextrasza's model inspired armor for Evokers.

Oh yes, defo Jaina and Uther for mage and pala! Rogues could get Valeera inspired set, Druids Malfurion, Bolvar for DK's. Maybe switch Doomhammer to Shamans and give Warriors a Saurfang / HD Tier 1 set. Warlocks could get Kil Jaedens armour, Priests a Velen inspired set and monks a set inspired by Chen Stormstout. Only DH's I'm not sure what to give since Illidan has ... well ... not really that much armour lol.

[Alanar]

I may have replied to the wrong person. i think there were a couple of posts how the press and hold style of the gameplay could be annoying.

How is it really different compared to cast now really? the only difference is that you can still let the cast go off even if it's not really full.

It feels almost like the freedom we had before with shadow orbs and holy power. The finnisher could be used with either 1 or 2 orbs/power with less damage or healer, but could still be used. Nowadays it's just 3 before you can even cast it.

It's not super different, but I guess you can have a little bit more freedom, you can unleash it at any% of the cast I guess, which is ok.

[Jodmos]

Think the Bloodthirsty in SoO was pretty massive, and that worked just fine. A tiny bit more, or even just a different body plan might work.

Or you could always go for the ledge boss approach of course. Giant head, wings and/or claws.
Deathwing got across that humongous size pretty well, could always just go for that approach again.

You are eaten by Galkarond and the raid is you fighting your way out.

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You are eaten by Galkarond and the raid is you fighting your way out.

That would be very silly, but is actually an idea we haven't strictly seen before. I would actually like to see that.