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    I think their visuals on paper look great, but in WoW? Doubt it, but I am willing to get pleasantly surprised.

    Why are they called "Primalist" though? Did they explain that? And why are they categorized?
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    Tier sets concepts look great, they really scream "primal".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I think their visuals on paper look great, but in WoW? Doubt it, but I am willing to get pleasantly surprised.

    Why are they called "Primalist" though? Did they explain that? And why are they categorized?
    Well the land is primal, and I think first raid enemies race are Primalsomething named. Or the raid is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I think their visuals on paper look great, but in WoW? Doubt it, but I am willing to get pleasantly surprised.

    Why are they called "Primalist" though? Did they explain that? And why are they categorized?
    They are themed after the primal proto drakes that we fight in raid 1:

    https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcomin...nflight-326756
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Primalists


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    Quote Originally Posted by Radioactive View Post
    Do we know if the new "Press & Hold" type of spells will only go to Evoker?
    If it works out I'm sure they will eventually spread the concept around. Even with the accessibility features to have it be a toggle rather then press and hold I still am not sure how well it will function with the typical WoW combat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    I think their visuals on paper look great, but in WoW? Doubt it, but I am willing to get pleasantly surprised. Why are they called "Primalist" though? Did they explain that? And why are they categorized?
    The main threat we will first encounter is from a group called the Primal Incarnates or just Primalists. There are proto drake elemental leaders, as others have pointed out, as well. Some of the information about that came out during interviews but the wowpedia link has a summary of what is known.

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Primalists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    YES YES YES YES!

    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    With revamped Uldaman in the pre-patch, you know what would be cool? Revamped Ulduar. Or Ulduar as a complete new zone in 10.1 or 10.2. That would be epic, there's a reason why Ulduar is one of if not the most beloved raid in WoW's history.

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    Our return to the Dragon Isles lights the beacon that starts the invasion of the Void. So I expect something related to that in the final patch and the final raid.
    Galakrond makes a lot of sense as a second raid tier boss tbh. The first raid tier are his newly reawoken lost long cult followers. They might find a way to rez him before they die. 2nd tier Galakrond.

    If there are 4 tiers the 3rd tier makes sense as a breather more light hearted tier, and then timey wimey tier in a zone either in past or future with a time raid and moruzond.

    I could see the void beacon getting lit at some point during the expansion for sure.

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    What I'd like to see is maybe a weekly or biweekly blog post, in the style of the Diablo one plus maybe also H.S. where they show off the new mechanic. Theres so many they could do. They could alternate, maybe week 1 it's a zone then week 2 a class, then a dungeon. For me they wouldnt have to line up all the zones in a row or the classes, spread it out for a variety

    1 for each zone
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    Quote Originally Posted by draugril View Post
    I would be surprised if it went to anyone else. It seems like the defining mechanism for the class.
    There was a tweet specifying that there would be a toggle style option as well due to accessibility issues of the press and hold style of gameplay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Galakrond makes a lot of sense as a second raid tier boss tbh. The first raid tier are his newly reawoken lost long cult followers. They might find a way to rez him before they die. 2nd tier Galakrond.

    If there are 4 tiers the 3rd tier makes sense as a breather more light hearted tier, and then timey wimey tier in a zone either in past or future with a time raid and moruzond.

    I could see the void beacon getting lit at some point during the expansion for sure.
    I've been theorising myself that Galakrond is the tier after the primalists. It sets up a story hook that we succeed in killing the primalists but can't prevent them from raising Galakrond again. It is also the sort of story beat we've been missing in WoW. A clear next move (like going to Argus in Legion).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Storywise I don't know why they chose the word "visage" because that's something special dragons get: Of what we know about the story so far, it's not a magical illusion but their actual genetic makeup: The Dracthyr are Dragons bred with Vrykul-human proto beings. I suppose their magical nature made them a little elfy but yeah. A weird set of creative choices but that's what they committed to. We'll see how that's relevant to the story.

    That's still an illusion. The system they design might support 5 or 6 viable builds but that's still something that was designed that way. Giving us a talent tree just gives players the opportunity to fail at setting up our loadouts. Instead of just giving us a set of optimized playstyles. But if players really want to gamify the loadout system by all means. Apparently that is what people want.This is a lie. The one everyone said was Shaman was mage. The one everyone said was Paladin was priest. The one everyone said was Evoker was Death Knight. They literally had to add labels the following day so everyone would stop asking what class they were. That happened.

    I don't even think this is a problem but how defensive you are about it shows you think it is.
    lmao no one said the priest one was paladin. Its literally in robes. You are being disingenuous, or run in circles with poor eye sight. But eh. Doesnt matter. They look great to me. Thats subjective. We can agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Galakrond makes a lot of sense as a second raid tier boss tbh. The first raid tier are his newly reawoken lost long cult followers. They might find a way to rez him before they die. 2nd tier Galakrond.
    I dunno. Galak is a cataclysmic lvl threat. Plus his size. Fits final boss better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post

    This is a lie. The one everyone said was Shaman was mage. The one everyone said was Paladin was priest. The one everyone said was Evoker was Death Knight. They literally had to add labels the following day so everyone would stop asking what class they were. That happened.

    I don't even think this is a problem but how defensive you are about it shows you think it is.
    Man when I saw that one I was like "oh my god I hope that is shaman!!" So of course it couldn't be...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Why are they called "Primalist" though? Did they explain that? And why are they categorized?
    The villains of the first raid are the "Primals." The Dragon Isles are a little like Zareth Mortis in that it has all the machinery the Titans used to make the Dragonflights: There are so many kinds of Dragons because they were trying to perfect the process. The Primals are the first draft of dragons: Dragons that are almost entirely elemental in form.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    lmao no one said the priest one was paladin. Its literally in robes. You are being disingenuous, or run in circles with poor eye sight. But eh. Doesnt matter. They look great to me. Thats subjective. We can agree to disagree.
    You can use your eyes to look at the many people still guessing wrong, right now, in this thread even though the class the sets belong to have already been identified.

    And trying to say use robes as a disqualifier for paladin is melting my brain: They've given Paladin robes for their tier more times than any other non-cloth wearer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDBlou View Post
    I've been theorising myself that Galakrond is the tier after the primalists. It sets up a story hook that we succeed in killing the primalists but can't prevent them from raising Galakrond again. It is also the sort of story beat we've been missing in WoW. A clear next move (like going to Argus in Legion).
    Its literally what happens in MoP sorta. Not necessarily in Mogushan vaults, but the vaults kinda set up the theme and direction for Throne of thunder.

    We could have a fun goofy patch as a breather in between Galakrond and Moruzond for sure though. Depends on if they want 3 or 4 tiers.


    Speaking of which, they never had tier sets in the first raid of the expansion. They haven't done that since Technically Cataclysm, but the MoP raids were close enough to count. Highmaul, Emerlad Nightmare, didn't have tier.

    Its obvious the tier sets will be in the first raid as we know that's the primal dragon raid and the tier sets match the primal dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The villains of the first raid are the "Primals." The Dragon Isles are a little like Zareth Mortis in that it has all the machinery the Titans used to make the Dragonflights: There are so many kinds of Dragons because they were trying to perfect the process. The Primals are the first draft of dragons: Dragons that are almost entirely elemental in form.
    The primals are Dragons who didn't like the titans bestowing power on the Aspects and oppose them, they're dragon supremacists basically. They're the manifestation of the ancestral link between the elementals and the dragons we know today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    I dunno. Galak is a cataclysmic lvl threat. Plus his size. Fits final boss better.
    The problem with Galakrond imo as a final boss, unless they build him up character wise in the expac, he's just a mindless devourer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The villains of the first raid are the "Primals." The Dragon Isles are a little like Zareth Mortis in that it has all the machinery the Titans used to make the Dragonflights: There are so many kinds of Dragons because they were trying to perfect the process. The Primals are the first draft of dragons: Dragons that are almost entirely elemental in form.
    You can use your eyes to look at the many people still guessing wrong, right now, in this thread even though the class the sets belong to have already been identified.
    So didn't they like take elementals and mold them into dragons?

    Makes you wonder if the titans saw natural dragons somewhere else before. Maybe the theory that Elune is a Dragon is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Literally everyone could tell the classes apart. I saw multiple posts on different forums talking about it. Guess what. Everyone was right. Its pretty easy to tell which set is for which class if you look for more than 5 seconds and hide your disgust.
    That's nonsensical, people were definitely struggling to tell them apart (and hell, I still am even after having seen the labels, I have to keep going back to check what's what)

    They've been particularly bad at representing class fantasies lately, they seem to focus more on the tier theme. Contrast that with many old sets where you could instantly see what class something is, or at the very least see instantly which sets are cloth or plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I'm sorry to say this but I think that's copium. Everyone associates their skeletons with blood elves or high elves and so that's what they are. No amount of mental gymnastics will make me change my mind on this.
    They don't just have the skeleton. They literally have the same idle pose and faces. They are modified blood elves 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    So didn't they like take elementals and mold them into dragons?

    Makes you wonder if the titans saw natural dragons somewhere else before. Maybe the theory that Elune is a Dragon is true.
    The proto-dragons descend from elementals who avoided being imprisoned in the Elemental Plane and instead remained on Azeroth, where some of them gradually transformed into creatures of flesh and blood.
    from https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Proto-dragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by i3ackero View Post
    But... that's not true. There is no higher logic behind it. There are not Elves nor Humans. They just just their rigs and animations. Like in different thread I wrote that it would be equal to thinking that Tunkas are Taurens, Saberons from Cata are Worgens and Ankoan are humans. They all uses same rigs and animations as well.
    They literally just removed the eyebrows and changes the earshape my dude. They are blood elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Its literally what happens in MoP sorta. Not necessarily in Mogushan vaults, but the vaults kinda set up the theme and direction for Throne of thunder.

    -snip-

    We could have a fun goofy patch as a breather in between Galakrond and Moruzond for sure though. Depends on if they want 3 or 4 tiers.

    Its obvious the tier sets will be in the first raid as we know that's the primal dragon raid and the tier sets match the primal dragons.
    If Murozond and an infinite dragonflight raid is the final raid, I wonder how they'll theme the tier armor. All black and glowy white scales could be a teeny bit boring (like Sepulchre)
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