Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[JDBlou]

They could theme it after heroes of the past (snacked from different timelines)! Sylvanas set for hunters, Doomhammer for warriors etc.

Oh man, that'd be cool! A more visually diverse version of the ToC armor. Give Paladins the new Uther model's armor as a tier set. Khadgar/Jaina/Azshara for mage? It'd probably be new Alextrasza's model inspired armor for Evokers.

[Sondrelk]

It will take few expansions before they'll dilute new hero class'es FOTM by giving its mechanics to other classes.

I think MM hunters, and maybe BM hunters light get them.

Not sure who else it would fit though. Maybe mages?definitely won't be given to warriors and such.

[JDBlou]

I think MM hunters, and maybe BM hunters light get them.

Not sure who else it would fit though. Maybe mages?definitely won't be given to warriors and such.

Finally an aimed shot worth having.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

The problem with Galakrond imo as a final boss, unless they build him up character wise in the expac, he's just a mindless devourer.

I mean is that a problem?

They spent an entire expansion building up the Jailer and he went over like a wet fart. As folks love to point out, we learned more about Stoney Boy in one trailer than we did about the Jailer in 2 years.

Heck, Blizz seems content to let the Dragonflights be the driving drama of this expansion anyway. Look how little they talked about the Primalists and the Primal Dragons and how much they spent talking about "The Dragonflights have to decide who they want to be in this new age" and about the vacancies in the Emerald and Black flights.

[Chickat]

Man, this is simple you look at this and just feel the presence of Blood elves, like nothing else here to say.

You're fighting so hard and feels like treating blizzard like a baby, trying to accept less for the full price.

They make so much money that they could use either more races or make something totally new for visage image form.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy with the expansion overall. Some would call me a fanboy. But this is not it. They are clearly 95% the same.

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Right, and that I'll certainly agree on. Change the idles if people are that hung up on it.

I agree they should change the idles, but they still look like blood elves. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, it just is what it is.

[JDBlou]

I mean is that a problem?

They spent an entire expansion building up the Jailer and he went over like a wet fart. As folks love to point out, we learned more about Stoney Boy in one trailer than we did about the Jailer in 2 years.

Heck, Blizz seems content to let the Dragonflights be the driving drama of this expansion anyway. Look how little they talked about the Primalists and the Primal Dragons and how much they spent talking about "The Dragonflights have to decide who they want to be in this new age" and about the vacancies in the Emerald and Black flights.

Could you imagine if Galakrond (a cosmically sized locust) had a deeper and more well developed story than Warcraft Satan? It would be simultaneously sad and hilarious

[Kiivar86]

I just don't want to fight a fuckhuge dragon again.

Also so the dracthyr were bred with dragons and vrykul I saw someone say?

Hmm.

I now wonder how many versions of "Baddragon" names have been claimed already...

[ImTheMizAwesome]

If we get some dragon mounts variants as preorder bonus content i hope you will be able to turn into them like sandstone drake and not only ride, so at least races that cant be drakthyr can do their little own fantasy.

[Merryck]

Evoker are to Mages what Demon Hunters are to Warlocks. I think that's neat.

[Chickat]

Please Blizzard for god sake.

Oh yes, I hadn't thought of this, but if they change the idle animation and add wrathion hair you could get close to his model. I want to look like wrathion.

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This expac could lead into the world revamp expac because they finally updated gnolls and centaurs. Also some new applicable artpieces: Red qualthalas trees, rocky spires for 1x needles, etc!

Weve been saying that for 6-8 years. At this point it feels like copium, but I want it so badly.

[Sondrelk]

Could you imagine if Galakrond (a cosmically sized locust) had a deeper and more well developed story than Warcraft Satan? It would be simultaneously sad and hilarious

Galakrond already works much better as a lynchpin villain than the Jailer did.

We have the Primal dragons who worship him.
We have his connection to the Dragon aspects, as well as dragon in general with being described as the progenitor of Dragons.
He is deeply entwined with Titan lore, so you could bring Ulduar into the story.

And of course there is the big mystery of why he went bad to begin with, which is an intriguing story hook on its own.


Just have someone ressurect him, have the Dragon aspects philosophize on why they banded together to stop him in the first place, and then have some sort of payoff with Ulduar and the keepers.
Done deal, and you have yourself the climax to a decently good story.

[draugril]

There was a tweet specifying that there would be a toggle style option as well due to accessibility issues of the press and hold style of gameplay.

Gameplay would be the same regardless. Abilities that you “charge up.”

[Sondrelk]

Oh yes, I hadn't thought of this, but if they change the idle animation and add wrathion hair you could get close to his model. I want to look like wrathion.

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Weve been saying that for 6-8 years. At this point it feels like copium, but I want it so badly.

They have to do a world revamp eventually. Outside small boring islands like Balor or Tel'abim, there isn't much space left unexplored on Azeroth. So unless Blizzard wants to go to space and stay there they have to reuse old areas eventually.

[Chickat]

Just a theory of course.

But the expansion for 2024- early 2025 would be World of Warcrafts 20th year anniversary. If there was going to be a big one, that would be it.

Idk if they would do this, but they might make Dragonflight shorter just to launch 11.0 with the hype of 20 year anniversary.

If the expansion has a Legion patch cadence, and only has 3 tiers with 2 major patches they could do it.

March 2023- Launch
June 2023- 9.1
August 2023- 9.1.5 new raid.
December 2023-9.2
Feb 2024-9.2.5 new raid.
November 2024-11.0.

[JDBlou]

Galakrond already works much better as a lynchpin villain than the Jailer did.

We have the Primal dragons who worship him.
We have his connection to the Dragon aspects, as well as dragon in general with being described as the progenitor of Dragons.
He is deeply entwined with Titan lore, so you could bring Ulduar into the story.

And of course there is the big mystery of why he went bad to begin with, which is an intriguing story hook on its own.


Just have someone ressurect him, have the Dragon aspects philosophize on why they banded together to stop him in the first place, and then have some sort of payoff with Ulduar and the keepers.
Done deal, and you have yourself the climax to a decently good story.

I enjoyed what they did with him in Hearthstone. All the different versions of resurrected Galakrond are neat.

Regarding the philosophizing, I could see them making the case that they need more than just the primary flights to need representation/seats at the Aspect table. Storm Drakes/Nether Drakes elevated to Aspect position could be quite cool.

I wonder if he could represent the "bad" side of the cosmic force of Life; unchecked growth (ie Cancer). IF they want to go cosmic with it towards the end.

[Chickat]

I said it yesterday, but I lost hope that they were updating models because of a planned revamp all along. Come 2024/2025 for 11.0 the first models to come for this supposed revamp would be 10 years old and there would be a graphical difference between the first and last

I already commented on this once, but MoP had goat upgrade. The goat still holds up really well, as do all the WoD buildings etc. I don't think there is nearly as big of a difference as you think. They finalized the char detail level with MoP and Pandaren and the newest char models are at best 10-20% more detailed. WoW was settling into its current art style in MoP, and by WoD/Legion it hasn't changed much at all. They could easily still do a world revamp.

Now, I'm also starting to doubt its going to happen, but its not because the older assets are bad.

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You were literally calling the dev team lazy for not giving you the options you want for an alternate form that probably won't even be used all that much if Worgen are any indication, regardless of what the actual reason is, not making an actual argument.

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so. Not some loss to yourself, that's not a compelling argument in a game played by millions.

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So you will either be upset or disappointed? Because i really don't see how else they could do it. Guy is even bigger than DW.

IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

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You were literally calling the dev team lazy for not giving you the options you want for an alternate form that probably won't even be used all that much if Worgen are any indication, regardless of what the actual reason is, not making an actual argument.

If you want them to do extra work, point to some actual gain from doing so. Not some loss to yourself, that's not a compelling argument in a game played by millions.

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So you will either be upset or disappointed? Because i really don't see how else they could do it. Guy is even bigger than DW.

IM curious, does anyone know of an MMO raid fight with a boss a minimum 2 times bigger than the biggest WoW raid bosses. Galakrond would have to be at least 5 times bigger than Sindragosa to feel okay, and even then he should be 50 times bigger in the lore.

[Santandame]

I'll repeat what I've said before.

Murozond makes perfect sense for the final boss of the expansion. I imagine the raid will be a timeline/timeways themed raid with bosses from past Warcraft lore who we've never fought, alternate versions of heroes who we haven't thought, like say an evil Thrall, and maybe a boss that will be a future WoW character.

The finale cinematic will set up 11.0. Murozond opens a time portal and one of the following happens.

- A future/past/alternate version of a WoW character shows up and ushers in the next expansion.

- The portal is to pre-sundering Kalimdor, which would be in line with the opening of the Dragonflight cinematic. A character like Azshara, Xal'atath or Wrathion jumps through and we get a War of the Ancients or Ancient Kalimdor expansion.

- The portal stays open and can't be closed. Different timelines leak into ours, enemies, characters, locations and events. We also hop through different timelines in a "What If?" style expansion.

It's time to face facts guys, we aren't getting a world revamp.

Galakrond will be a boss for sure, but he doesn't scream end boss. Either he shows up in the Murozond raid or he gets his own, but not expansion finale. Same with Chromatus.

[Jodmos]

Gameplay would be the same regardless. Abilities that you “charge up.”

I may have replied to the wrong person. i think there were a couple of posts how the press and hold style of the gameplay could be annoying.

[Alanar]

Why is that version sped up and missing frames compared to the original presentation?

Probably some one just put it together and added the LOUD music as well, it's cropped I guess.

[Jodmos]

I'll repeat what I've said before.

Murozond makes perfect sense for the final boss of the expansion. I imagine the raid will be a timeline/timeways themed raid with bosses from past Warcraft lore who we've never fought, alternate versions of heroes who we haven't thought, like say an evil Thrall, and maybe a boss that will be a future WoW character.

The finale cinematic will set up 11.0. Murozond opens a time portal and one of the following happens.

- A future/past/alternate version of a WoW character shows up and ushers in the next expansion.

- The portal is to pre-sundering Kalimdor, which would be in line with the opening of the Dragonflight cinematic. A character like Azshara, Xal'atath or Wrathion jumps through and we get a War of the Ancients or Ancient Kalimdor expansion.

- The portal stays open and can't be closed. Different timelines leak into ours, enemies, characters, locations and events. We also hop through different timelines in a "What If?" style expansion.

It's time to face facts guys, we aren't getting a world revamp.

Galakrond will be a boss for sure, but he doesn't scream end boss. Either he shows up in the Murozond raid or he gets his own, but not expansion finale. Same with Chromatus.

Maybe Galakrond is shacked up underground with Azeroth and the big reveal at the end will be Galakrond breaking free and causing a world revamp.