Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Jodmos]

They could still choose a specific release date after pre-orders go live though. That is why companies pick the 31st because it allows them a bunch of time to delay if needed. They can also delay to the next year and at worst they have to offer a refund.

There is little reason to speculate on why pre-orders are not live yet because it could be anything.

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Which is normal for a "reveal". Even when at a full fledged blizzcon we don't get much more then they showed.

I disagree. I think they show for more usually. Maybe not in great detail but they usually explain the systems more in panels afterwards.

[Chickat]

Like i said, is a glorified druid form, you can't do anything if you are not your cat/bear/boomkin form, you need to be the dragon form

And the dragon form does not use your gear like worgens do, they use some set pieces like demon hunter do, that you change in the barber shop

Yes, but they did confirm you can see tabards, belts and shoulders in Dragon Form. Plus the customizable little pieces in Barber shop as well. So you will be able to have them about half covered.

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They didn’t say that.

They said there are armour choices to be made at the barber. Then they said they also use shoulder, chest, and belt armour.

I didn't see them say chest, but tabard for sure. Probably both. Means the only big things missing are helms, weapons, cloacks, boots, legs.,

[Luck4]

They can put any date they want though. They are not legally required to deliver by the end of the year they first offer it for sale. December 31st is just a default date entered into point of sale systems because they require some kind of date. They could have it for the year 2032 and it would still work just fine.

They could put 12/31/2023, but would it be wise marketing?

Blizzard is terribly behind schedule, like for real, while the zones look polished, I'm sure Evoker and Talent Trees are barely over the concept phase, and the development of dungeons and raids has not even started. We're talking about Summer 2023 at the earliest.

Shadowlands Season 4 is the biggest giveaway, seasons last for 6-8 months and Season 3 started in March so Dragonflight could launch in March 2023 or in June/July, even August might not be off the table. I think the WoW team has fewer resources nowadays than in WoD/Legion/BFA.

But NVM, the true question still stands...

WHAT IS THIS MEANT FOR???

[Chickat]

Okay, I haven’t seen this video before, I found it on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...tm_name=iossmf

Man does Dracthyr and Evoker look rough. They look like they came straight out of a cheap Asian F2P MMORPG. The art style and direction is outright terrible.

I know they are working on it and both the visuals and animations need a ton of work. I‘m just surprised in what an early state the supposed main feature of the expansion is.

The more I look at the higher res videos and images the more I like it. It don't think it looks that rough. Sure the proportions on the body could be a bit better, but it doesn't look bad. Just not as good as it could.

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It looks like very standard quality wow animations to me.

Oh the animations look sick to me. And the spell effects are gorgeous.

[micwini]

They could put 12/31/2023, but would it be wise marketing?

Blizzard is terribly behind schedule, like for real, while the zones look polished, I'm sure Evoker and Talent Trees are barely over the concept phase, and the development of dungeons and raids has not even started. We're talking about Summer 2023 at the earliest.

Shadowlands Season 4 is the biggest giveaway, seasons last for 6-8 months and Season 3 started in March so Dragonflight could launch in March 2023 or in June/July, even August might not be off the table. I think the WoW team has fewer resources nowadays than in WoD/Legion/BFA.

But NVM, the true question still stands...

WHAT IS THIS MEANT FOR???

You have the answer in your signature. 11.0. They are updating the missing pieces in DF (gnolls, centaurs, dragon models).

[Vyomesh2]

They could put 12/31/2023, but would it be wise marketing?

Blizzard is terribly behind schedule, like for real, while the zones look polished, I'm sure Evoker and Talent Trees are barely over the concept phase, and the development of dungeons and raids has not even started. We're talking about Summer 2023 at the earliest.

Shadowlands Season 4 is the biggest giveaway, seasons last for 6-8 months and Season 3 started in March so Dragonflight could launch in March 2023 or in June/July, even August might not be off the table. I think the WoW team has fewer resources nowadays than in WoD/Legion/BFA.

But NVM, the true question still stands...

WHAT IS THIS MEANT FOR???

Soon the degenerates can ERP in HD. Good for them.

[rhorle]

They could put 12/31/2023, but would it be wise marketing?

Yes? It isn't marketing at all to put a date in for the system. It will only be a problem for those people that think it is a legally binding delivery date but those type of people don't need much of a reason to hate on Blizzard. Blizzard said that typically a season lasts 6 to 8 months. Season 4 isn't typical and doesn't have to last very long at all. You, and others, are reading way to much into comments made by Blizzard.

[Chickat]

I want this to! Hopefully we get more visages in the future, like this photoshop I whipped together:

Those don't look very good IMO. I know they are shopped, but I don't think they could put the level of customization into every other race like they can the elf and human. I think they should add some basic options like horns and some face markings and expand the system. Make characters have to be an elf/human when they create the character, and let them switch to the lesser customizable ones at the barber shop if they wish.

[Syegfryed]

Im not sure what their budget is tbh. Activison as of this moment controls their game budgets. Just because a game makes 1b a year doesn't mean its going to get anywhere close to that to make an expansion. They probably get 20-50m a year to make WoW. Another 50-100m a year at most for marketing.

They constanly claim wow is making more money and having more engagement than ever before, so they can't say they don't have enough budget, especially after cutting the last patch.

Besides, like i said, allowing other visages will not cost a raid tier or a patch.

[Chickat]

Please, don’t try to defend the lazyness of choosing again the blood elf model… how hard is it to put those already created textures on the other races?

Textures wrap around different faces and would look weird. They would have to create custom textures for every race. Horns and maybe some jewelry would be a lot quicker to implement.

[Luck4]

You have the answer in your signature. 11.0. They are updating the missing pieces in DF (gnolls, centaurs, dragon models).

Don't give me hope!!! My heart is being torn apart since BFA T_T .

Jokes aside, I have this ominous feeling that after Dragonflight we'll be back to cosmic s*** again...

[Syegfryed]

Yes, but they did confirm you can see tabards, belts and shoulders in Dragon Form. Plus the customizable little pieces in Barber shop as well. So you will be able to have them about half covered.,

they didn't confirm the belt and shoulders will be yours.

Customizable little piece sin barber shop, totally lame, when worgens can equipe everything

Those don't look very good IMO.

Right...don't play then, there is other options to pick, no one want to replace the current ones, but add other ones.

thats the thing with taste, some people find the current ones awful too.

I know they are shopped, but I don't think they could put the level of customization into every other race like they can the elf and human.

They 100% could if they want to.

And, its not even necessary, give the basic race with no customizations, not even horns, and people will be happy with it.

[Supertoster]

Jokes aside, I have this ominous feeling that after Dragonflight we'll be back to cosmic s*** again...

Only if WoW survives after Dragonflight...

[Chickat]

Or you yourself could tell me, as you and the other guy completely fall into the need of quoting me, because you probably know a lot of designing 8).

The same way they put those assets in two different models, they can do it for the other races, or just avoid it and invest time working on the actual new race and not “so much” -according to you- into, again, Blood Elves. Why should all the people who don’t play Elves get a new class, for the second time, with Elves? Oh, yes, and the most boring human option… not even the Kul’tiran model.

Also why should they be primarily elves and humans. Few reasons. Elves and humans are 2 of the most popular races in WoW. Elves and humans alone make up 30-40% of all created characters in WoW. People like them. 2. 90% of Dragons are elven or human anyways, so it makes sense. Now, I do think other races should get the option as well, but not if it means delaying the expansion. They can work on it later.

[Jodmos]

they didn't confirm the belt and shoulders will be yours.

Customizable little piece sin barber shop, totally lame, when worgens can equipe everything

The quote is

So Dracthyr, I think they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form. While the visage form is able to wear all-armor.

which would imply it is the same shoulder/tabard/belt between both forms. it's not great but it does seem to suggest it is actual armour rather than barber shop modification. (Note the 'I think' part though so maybe none of this at all)

[Chickat]

Ok so to change the topic, any y'all played the Crystalline Conflict in XIV? It's easily my favorite part of that game now. Like I straight didn't play XIV after finishing the MSQ/end game stuff once but that'll keep me logging in on the regular now.

Would a small scale (5v5) point-capture/payload map work in WoW? Does it already exist and I don't know it? Cause I want a mode like that in WoW.

Arent rbgs 6 man now? Also you technically have the minecart escort map and 3 or 4 kind of the hill maps already.

[Luck4]

Yes? It isn't marketing at all to put a date in for the system. It will only be a problem for those people that think it is a legally binding delivery date but those type of people don't need much of a reason to hate on Blizzard. Blizzard said that typically a season lasts 6 to 8 months. Season 4 isn't typical and doesn't have to last very long at all. You, and others, are reading way to much into comments made by Blizzard.

I know, but to sell people need to be hyped. I mean, who would be hyped in April 2022 for an expansion release in August 2023?

[Chickat]

Off-topic but I like how the troll who was impersonating everyone and spamming weird racist shit is still pestering me, except now it's on Reddit, Twitter, and Discord instead of here. I wonder if he's bothering others too or if he just has a special obsession with me.

Someone has a crush on you.

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Small scale doesn't exist in WoW. BGs start at 10. They had considered in the past scaling some of the BGs for rated down to 6 but the idea was scrapped. I'd say Deepwind Gorge is about what you describe?

Oh, I thought they already did 6v6 rbgs? Sorry if I was wrong.

[Jodmos]

I know, but to sell people need to be hyped. I mean, who would be hyped in April 2022 for an expansion release in August 2023?

Me if the game looked great and had something I was interested in. I be excited and would be annoyed at the wait. Getting me to preorder is another issue entirely.

[Chickat]

There's no point in arguing that it takes the same time adding the assets/textures to different models. But once you made those textures and assets, it won't take the same time it took the first time when you had to make them and test them for fitting two different models, meaning that's less time for the next cases, right?

No, they have to create new textures, or heavily modify the existing ones to fit each race.