Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Chickat]

That's nonsensical, people were definitely struggling to tell them apart (and hell, I still am even after having seen the labels, I have to keep going back to check what's what)

They've been particularly bad at representing class fantasies lately, they seem to focus more on the tier theme. Contrast that with many old sets where you could instantly see what class something is, or at the very least see instantly which sets are cloth or plate.

There are obvious bits and pieces that tells you at least what 9 or 10 out of 13 are clearly. Deduction can give you the rest. But eh, clearly some people have trouble with it. Idk how, but its obvious now that they arent as easy to tell apart as I assumed they were. So ill partially concede that point.

[m4Zzo928]

I'm going to love being in the capital city with dragons flying all over the place. I loved that about Wyrmrest Temple.

[Chickat]

The proto-dragons descend from elementals who avoided being imprisoned in the Elemental Plane and instead remained on Azeroth, where some of them gradually transformed into creatures of flesh and blood.
from https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Proto-dragon

See I was under the impression that Titans molded some into Dragons, but it was natural evolution? I guess they were dragon shaped elementals until the curse of flesh hit?

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If Murozond and an infinite dragonflight raid is the final raid, I wonder how they'll theme the tier armor. All black and glowy white scales could be a teeny bit boring (like Sepulchre)

Prob a few different themes. Black and glowy for sure. Also could have a lot of bronze sandy time themes.

Probably more diverse than ZM tiers, but less diverse than the Dragonflight Primal tier.

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They could theme it after heroes of the past (snacked from different timelines)! Sylvanas set for hunters, Doomhammer for warriors etc.

Thats a great idea too!

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I wonder if they do it now because it's finally possible to collect an entire cosmetic set now that the Creation Catalyst is a thing.

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. Or it could be as simple as they realized the sets being made fit better into the primal raid than the next one. Perhaps they weren't sure that was going to be the first raid yet, but the artists already had them concepted out. Who knows.

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I mean is that a problem?

They spent an entire expansion building up the Jailer and he went over like a wet fart. As folks love to point out, we learned more about Stoney Boy in one trailer than we did about the Jailer in 2 years.

Heck, Blizz seems content to let the Dragonflights be the driving drama of this expansion anyway. Look how little they talked about the Primalists and the Primal Dragons and how much they spent talking about "The Dragonflights have to decide who they want to be in this new age" and about the vacancies in the Emerald and Black flights.

Speaking of which, I wonder what the catalyst will be that finally makes Nozdormu snap? If he's ever going to do it in WoW this is the perfect time.

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I just don't want to fight a fuckhuge dragon again.

Also so the dracthyr were bred with dragons and vrykul I saw someone say?

Hmm.

I now wonder how many versions of "Baddragon" names have been claimed already...

If you don't want to fight big dragons, this might not be the expansion for you.

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Evoker are to Mages what Demon Hunters are to Warlocks. I think that's neat.

Eh, they have elemental and arcane spells sure, but half their abilities are likely going to be dragon based instead of casting based. I don't think they are as similar as we think. Who knows though.

[Teriz]

I agree, but the leak said Moruzond is the final boss. The leak 4 days before the reveal that got everything right. They said 3 things.

Moruzond final boss
Allied race coming for preorder
Release date for Dragonflight Q1 2023.

I buy it.

Also I’m positive that the new AR will be Tuskarr. That should make up for people who wanted a new race for the existing classes.

[Chickat]

Galakrond already works much better as a lynchpin villain than the Jailer did.

We have the Primal dragons who worship him.
We have his connection to the Dragon aspects, as well as dragon in general with being described as the progenitor of Dragons.
He is deeply entwined with Titan lore, so you could bring Ulduar into the story.

And of course there is the big mystery of why he went bad to begin with, which is an intriguing story hook on its own.


Just have someone ressurect him, have the Dragon aspects philosophize on why they banded together to stop him in the first place, and then have some sort of payoff with Ulduar and the keepers.
Done deal, and you have yourself the climax to a decently good story.

Yeah, if done right it might be easier for blizzard to make him a compelling villain than it was for the Thunder King. Idk if they have the narrative chops to do it, but I think TK is the in the top 5 villains in WoW and he was invented in an expansion about Pandas.

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Gameplay would be the same regardless. Abilities that you “charge up.”

Each charge likely would have different effects. It makes no sense to make a casted ability charged unless they do something else with it, but they could do a lot.

Charged Aimed shot gives a haste buff.
Charged Aimed shot is almost always a guaranteed crit.
Chardged Aimed shot Hits 2 targets for full damage.

Lots they could do with it.

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They have to do a world revamp eventually. Outside small boring islands like Balor or Tel'abim, there isn't much space left unexplored on Azeroth. So unless Blizzard wants to go to space and stay there they have to reuse old areas eventually.

11.0 could be a world revamp but they might want to do cosmic again, so it very well could be 12.0.

I do think they will do it in the next 3 or 4 expansions, but aside from next xpac being the 20th anniversary, it makes more sense for 12.0.

11.0 Cosmic Light or void xpac.
12.0 Down to Azeroth back to basics world revamp with housing.

[JDBlou]

See I was under the impression that Titans molded some into Dragons, but it was natural evolution? I guess they were dragon shaped elementals until the curse of flesh hit?

If I'm not mistaken, the curse of flesh only affected the titanforged creations, like the mechagnomes and Earthen.

I'd liken the Primalist drakes to Homo neanderthalensis/erectus while the Aspects would be the Homo sapien equivalent. Same common elemental ancestor species different fantasy evolutionary pressures.

[Xilurm]

I actually don't think DF is *that early* in development.

I mean if you go to the email they emailed out the URL says, 'Dragonflight Pre Purchase' and as we know from the leak they've already got the different editions planned out.

Is there gonna be physical boxes?

[JDBlou]

Is there gonna be physical boxes?

Probably only the collectors edition.

[Chickat]

You know I'd kinda like to see them do the "fighting on the back of a dragon" concept again from Spine of Deathwing, just without the seemingly constant insta-death mechanics.

Could be cool to be fighting Galakrond as he's flying around the Dragon Isles, or toward something (Silithus? Tyr Hold?).

Yeah either could work. My idea was just away around it, but still having some on his back.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

If I'm not mistaken, the curse of flesh only affected the titanforged creations, like the mechagnomes and Earthen.

I'd liken the Primalist drakes to Homo neanderthalensis/erectus while the Aspects would be the Homo sapien equivalent. Same common elemental ancestor species different fantasy evolutionary pressures.

Yes, pretty much.



I still hate the curse of flesh idea in lore but don't mind me

[Chickat]

I can see it like this:
- 10.0 Intro raid, finishing up Dragon Isle zone story
- 10.1 Furthering general Dragonflight story. End boss of the raid is whatever caused the blue shit in the water. It causes nozdormu to become murozond
- 10.2 Caverns of time raid. We try to prevent Nozdormu from becoming infinite. At the end boss (whoever that could be) Murozond pops up and transports us back in time pre sundering 'permanently' 10.000 years ago.
- 10.3 Few zones, like argus in the pre-sundering world. The raid has us trying to get back to the present. Last boss is Murozond. After his defeat we will be victorious. We will return to the present, only to find out we overshot and are actually 5-10 years in the future..... World revamp.

Oh shit that's a really good idea.

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They constanly claim wow is making more money and having more engagement than ever before, so they can't say they don't have enough budget, especially after cutting the last patch.

Besides, like i said, allowing other visages will not cost a raid tier or a patch.

It doesn't matter what their profits are if their budget isn't increasing. Activision-Blizzard the board decided that. We have proof that Blizzard has almost no control. Jeff Kaplan had to go to the board and beg to be allowed to cancel Titan and start Overwatch instead.

Sure they should have double or triple the budget they have now, but they don't. And its not the average everyday blizzard employees fault either. Its the Ceo and financial board of Actiblizz. Maybe that will change with Microsfot, maybe not. We will see.

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they didn't confirm the belt and shoulders will be yours.

Customizable little piece sin barber shop, totally lame, when worgens can equipe everything



Right...don't play then, there is other options to pick, no one want to replace the current ones, but add other ones.

thats the thing with taste, some people find the current ones awful too.



They 100% could if they want to.

And, its not even necessary, give the basic race with no customizations, not even horns, and people will be happy with it.

Sure, I agree. Give the option for every other race after the starting zone. At the barber shop.

[KainneAbsolute]

Guys Murozond is going back in time and he will bring Galakrond.

Then they are going to fuse and become Murokrond, and the raid will be fighting alternate previous bosses of other timelines.

[Chickat]

The quote is

So Dracthyr, I think they’ll also be able to wear shoulders, tabards, belts across their visage and Dracthyr form. While the visage form is able to wear all-armor.

which would imply it is the same shoulder/tabard/belt between both forms. it's not great but it does seem to suggest it is actual armour rather than barber shop modification. (Note the 'I think' part though so maybe none of this at all)

Or maybe more. Who knows. I think we could get them to let us wear legs too tbh. Cloaks helms and boots and weapons makes sense.

[Stone Dude]

World of Warcraft: Dragonflight, new continent: Dragon Isles

talent trees are back, QTE style casting (hold or time), neutral race: Drac'thyr new race transforms like Worgen, native to dragon isles, New class: Envoker Heal/DPS/DPS mail lots of overlap with arcane mage aesthetic, healing spec is fire related, lots of breath abilities, dragon form looks more human than dragon, imo

not gonna leak anything else it's hours away ffs

Heal/DPS/DPS

healing spec is fire related

So I guess you lied to us. There's only one dps spec and the healing spec is not fire related.

[Chickat]

After Dragonflight WoW will be a Microsoft IP, and I'm pretty sure they're not going to scrap something they paid billions of dollars to own.

Take a look at how Microsoft reignited Age of Empires from the ashes.

Yeah, it might be copium, but I'm hoping they increase wows budget. We wont see the effects of it until 11.0 or maybe not until 12.0, but we can hope.

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I meant Thornygos btw. Idk how I missed the n.

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Finally a good monk set again

Yeah it looks like a monk and ninja mixed. Might look derpy on a fat panda though.

[huth]

So I guess you lied to us. There's only one dps spec and the healing spec is not fire related.

It's also not really overlapping with Arcane Mage much, if at all.

[Xilurm]

- 10.2 Caverns of time raid. We try to prevent Nozdormu from becoming infinite. At the end boss (whoever that could be) Murozond pops up and transports us back in time pre sundering 'permanently' 10.000 years ago.
- 10.3 Few zones, like argus in the pre-sundering world. The raid has us trying to get back to the present. Last boss is Murozond. After his defeat we will be victorious. We will return to the present, only to find out we overshot and are actually 5-10 years in the future..... World revamp.

I don't think they should even try to do anything like this. People will spin it around as lame storytelling because even though you're supposed to be trapped in the past 10k years ago, you will still be able to go anywhere you want for gameplay reasons.

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Yeah, it might be copium, but I'm hoping they increase wows budget. We wont see the effects of it until 11.0 or maybe not until 12.0, but we can hope.

Increase budget AND change some of the staff around. They need to put people who care in charge.

[Chickat]

I buy it.

Also I’m positive that the new AR will be Tuskarr. That should make up for people who wanted a new race for the existing classes.

Tuskarr would be sick, but there is a precedent that a preorder race is linked to the prior expansion.

The preorder BFA races were from Legion.

So either a shadowlands race, or Darkfallen.

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If I'm not mistaken, the curse of flesh only affected the titanforged creations, like the mechagnomes and Earthen.

I'd liken the Primalist drakes to Homo neanderthalensis/erectus while the Aspects would be the Homo sapien equivalent. Same common elemental ancestor species different fantasy evolutionary pressures.

Its kind of weird for elmentals to turn into flesh without the curse of flesh but eh whatever.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Increase budget AND change some of the staff around. They need to put people who care in charge.

Obviously they care.

[Chickat]

I don't think they should even try to do anything like this. People will spin it around as lame storytelling because even though you're supposed to be trapped in the past 10k years ago, you will still be able to go anywhere you want for gameplay reasons.

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Increase budget AND change some of the staff around. They need to put people who care in charge.

I think Ion cares. He cares about the number side of things more, but he cares. Danny cares too, he's just not that great at storytelling. Someone can care and not be a great fit for a role. Not to say I think either should be fired or forced out. Ion would be great as Lead systems dev or raid designer. Danny was a good quest designer.

Idk how they would take demotions though.