Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

God I just hope when they open more classes to dracthyr that they can be paladins. Would love to play a bronze drac paladin. I mean they should, right?

Given the relationship to Tyr that dragons have and him being the poster boy of the silver hand and all.

Not sure how I feel about evokers not being available to be other races.

If the horde an alliance can teach a dracthyr to be a warrior or a mage, why can't the dracthyr empower the mortal races to channel their powers as well. Maybe give cool customizations like draconic eyes and brightly colored hair for mortals. Like a diet version of the drac visage form.

Not having wings is a weak excuse. Playable DHs aren't in perma Meta like illidan is and they make it work but temp turning into Meta for certain abilities. The same could be done for evokers. But we'll see I guess.

I think people are really misunderstanding what exactly the Dracthyr are. The Dracthyr are stand-ins for standard WoW dragons. Since you can't play as something like this;



You're playing as a Dracthyr instead. The Dracthyr race is our way of playing dragons without causing havoc in raiding parties and dungeons. The developers literally said this in their interview. A dracthyr being a Paladin would be like that blue dragon above being a palaidn. That makes zero sense, because this race is based on Alexstraza, Wrathion, and Kalacgos, and the class of those characters are literally dragons. The same applies to dracthyr.

Because of that, it is doubtful that the Dracthyr are going to be anything other than that.

On the flip side, other races can't be Evokers because Evokers have abilities that require the body of a dragon, like Wings, Tails, and Scales. So obviously a non-dragon race could accomplish those type of abilities.

[wowrefugee]

Well, the new Wowhead interview has Ion say specifically that its' very possible for Dracthyr to become other classes later on, once theyre integrated with Azeroth.

[Teriz]

Well, the new Wowhead interview has Ion say specifically that its' very possible for Dracthyr to become other classes later on, once theyre integrated with Azeroth.

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

[Varx]

Evokers only being able to be Dracthyr makes sense to me, but Dracthyr only being able to be Evoker doesn't. I mean, for other classes they could stay locked in humanoid forms, with that in mind, I surely believe that their class choices should be restricted, but Mage, Paladin, Druid, and Warriors make a lot of sense just based on the draconic/lore background, like their relationship with Tyr as you mentioned.

Na, they have got to be dragon form for all their classes too. If I wanna play a belf I'll play a belf, haha. No reason why dragonform can't swing a weapon.


As for evokers, idk just not a big fan of extreme restrictions ever since cata gave two new druid races.

Still hoping DHs open up their ranks to races willing to "SaCRiFiCE".

But honestly, it makes sense to me that mortals can be evokers when dracthyr are going to be learning the mortals' ways of combat.

Classic give and take relationship and learning from each other.

The dracthyr just have to empower them to be evokers, perhaps give the extra customizations that hero classes normally have. Like diluted dracthyr visages.

But if I were to choose one then I'd definitely go for dracthyr having more class options

[Chickat]

I dunno, there's a female model now, and I think it was revealed that the pre-order pet is a baby Tuskarr.

Anyway;



Gimmie!

They did say in the announcement about them that they were getting uprezzed and not new models. Could be a whole new model, Im not sure. Idk if its the same model with new textures, or a brand new model. Even if it is a new model, its likely using the old skeleton, so they would have to make a lot of new animations.

[Varx]

I think people are really misunderstanding what exactly the Dracthyr are. The Dracthyr are stand-ins for standard WoW dragons. Since you can't play as something like this;



You're playing as a Dracthyr instead. The Dracthyr race is our way of playing dragons without causing havoc in raiding parties and dungeons. The developers literally said this in their interview. A dracthyr being a Paladin would be like that blue dragon above being a palaidn. That makes zero sense, because this race is based on Alexstraza, Wrathion, and Kalacgos, and the class of those characters are literally dragons. The same applies to dracthyr.

Because of that, it is doubtful that the Dracthyr are going to be anything other than that.

On the flip side, other races can't be Evokers because Evokers have abilities that require the body of a dragon, like Wings, Tails, and Scales. So obviously a non-dragon race could accomplish those type of abilities.

Interview just mentioned they are open to having dracthyr having more class options after mingling with the horde and alliance down the line.

Yeah I agree that dracthyr are meant to be dragons that don't mess up the raid clutter but it doesn't change the fact that their still bipedal humanoids.

Doesn't really make sense that joining the horde and alliance for years to come that some dracthyr won't be interested in their ways of combat.

And same goes with mortals learning to be evokers. You teach me to wield a sword I'll empower you to channel the power of the 5 flights. Give and take.

As for abilities that require dracthyr bodies. They could have mortals conjure up ethereal dracthyr bodies like how DHs do for chaos nova and eye beam for specific abilities.

Honestly, if it stays the way it is now then dracthyr evokers just feel like a race with very very OP class like racials lmao.

[Three Faced Goddess]

Still think the allied race in question is Darkfallen, at least for Horde unless they're neutral with Alliance getting Night Elves which I doubt. Who knows we could be getting both Tuskarr for the Alliance and Darkfallen for the Horde.

[Teriz]

Interview just mentioned they are open to having dracthyr having more class options after mingling with the horde and alliance down the line.

Yeah I agree that dracthyr are meant to be dragons that don't mess up the raid clutter but it doesn't change the fact that their still bipedal humanoids.

Doesn't really make sense that joining the horde and alliance for years to come that some dracthyr won't be interested in their ways of combat.

And same goes with mortals learning to be evokers. You teach me to wield a sword I'll empower you to channel the power of the 5 flights. Give and take.

As for abilities that require dracthyr bodies. They could have mortals conjure up ethereal dracthyr bodies like how DHs do for chaos nova and eye beam for specific abilities.

Honestly, if it stays the way it is now then dracthyr evokers just feel like a race with very very OP class like racials lmao.

I suppose anything is possible, but it would be very odd for them to go that route given the nature of the mechanics they've given the race to fit the Evoker class. For example, the draconic model doesn't wear standard armor, and I don't think it even has weapon animations, and they switch between Visage form and Draconic form when they enter combat. If a Dracthyr is a Paladin for example, how would that work? Would they allow the armor to carry over onto the dragon form, or would it be devoid of armor and weapons? If they allow the armor to carry over in other classes, then Evokers are going to ask for armor to carry over in their class as well. Their high level of customization is in place BECAUSE the dragon form isn't wearing standard armor.

We'll see what happens, but I don't think Blizzard is going to go that route. It's smacks of someone who doesn't like seafood saying that they're "open" to trying seafood, but deep down they have no intention of ever doing it.

[wowrefugee]

I suppose anything is possible, but it would be very odd for them to go that route given the nature of the mechanics they've given the race to fit the Evoker class. For example, the draconic model doesn't wear standard armor, and I don't think it even has weapon animations, and they switch between Visage form and Draconic form when they enter combat. If a Dracthyr is a Paladin for example, how would that work? Would they allow the armor to carry over onto the dragon form, or would it be devoid of armor and weapons? If they allow the armor to carry over in other classes, then Evokers are going to ask for armor to carry over in their class as well. Their high level of customization is in place BECAUSE the dragon form isn't wearing standard armor.

We'll see what happens, but I don't think Blizzard is going to go that route. It's smacks of someone who doesn't like seafood saying that they're "open" to trying seafood, but deep down they have no intention of ever doing it.

Interviews reveal the dragon form shows player shoulder/tabard/belt armor + customizable barbershop armor (which going by previews seems to mainly be chest/helmet).

As far as armor goes, it would just be a Mechagnome situation.

Their high level of customization is in place BECAUSE the dragon form isn't wearing standard armor.

I don't think this has been said?

So the only real issue is weapons and animations related to weapons.

[Varx]

I suppose anything is possible, but it would be very odd for them to go that route given the nature of the mechanics they've given the race to fit the Evoker class. For example, the draconic model doesn't wear standard armor, and I don't think it even has weapon animations, and they switch between Visage form and Draconic form when they enter combat. If a Dracthyr is a Paladin for example, how would that work? Would they allow the armor to carry over onto the dragon form, or would it be devoid of armor and weapons? If they allow the armor to carry over in other classes, then Evokers are going to ask for armor to carry over in their class as well. Their high level of customization is in place BECAUSE the dragon form isn't wearing standard armor.

We'll see what happens, but I don't think Blizzard is going to go that route. It's smacks of someone who doesn't like seafood saying that they're "open" to trying seafood, but deep down they have no intention of ever doing it.

Like the guy above me, it'll be like a mechagnome situation. Honestly, from a lore stand point I think the dragonform being void of the armor from visage is fine, it happens to regular dragons now. The dracthyr still has the benefits of armor, their draconic magic just hides it I guess. Though I'd prefer if they could find a way for dracthyr armor to work somehow.

As for weapons. They could just have their weapons out like normal and give them regular combat animations.

Sheathing in dracthyr form could have them materialize weapons from thin air maybe with a cool animation.

[Teriz]

Interviews reveal the dragon form shows player shoulder/tabard/belt armor + customizable barbershop armor (which going by previews seems to mainly be chest/helmet).

But that's customized armor designed specifically for the dragon form.

As far as armor goes, it would just be a Mechagnome situation.

The difference is that Mechagnomes don't have a corresponding form that would show their entire armor set. The Dracthyr's visage form would show the entirety of the armor (since it's just an Elf/Human model), while the draconic form would not as soon as it switches into combat. That's fine for an Evoker, not so much for a Paladin or Shaman.

I'm not even sure the draconic form is designed to wear standard armor.

I don't think this has been said?

So the only real issue is weapons and animations related to weapons.

While it hasn't been said, it makes sense. Druids get the same treatment because their combat forms can't wear armor. It's a way for players to get some variety when they have to stare at a Bear or Cat's rear end all the time.

[Chickat]

You know, dragon riding looks really cool, but I have an issue with it.

I love to fly around and farm herbs and ore. Its probably going to be really tedious now. Also Druids will no longer have a big advantage. Sure they can instant ground travel form, but its not going to be as big of an advantage. IM not sure how I feel about it.

If once maxed out Dragon riding is close to as powerful as flying, fine. If its always a constant state of falling its going to be annoying.

It looks fun, but yeah I guess we will see.

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When the encrypted pre-order items were datamined, one of the encrypted models used male vulpera models. Not sure what that would point to:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamin...edition-325627

Hm, I feel like Tuskar would fit Vulpera actually lol. Maybe a smaller Dwarf sized Dragon race?

[Teriz]

Like the guy above me, it'll be like a mechagnome situation. Honestly, from a lore stand point I think the dragonform being void of the armor from visage is fine, it happens to regular dragons now. The dracthyr still has the benefits of armor, their draconic magic just hides it I guess. Though I'd prefer if they could find a way for dracthyr armor to work somehow.

Yeah, it won't be like a mechagnome situation. It would be like a Worgen who is typically in human form wearing armor, then loses the armor and weaponry completely when they turn into the Worgen regardless of their class. That's a problem.

As for weapons. They could just have their weapons out like normal and give them regular combat animations.

Well sure, but imagine the clipping from those wings with some weapons and pretty much every back item? It'll be a mess.

Sheathing in dracthyr form could have them materialize weapons from thin air maybe with a cool animation.

Eh, I think if the goal here is to have someone be a cool draconic warrior or rogue, you're going to have to show their weapons, or it's pointless.

[wowrefugee]

Yeah, it won't be like a mechagnome situation. It would be like a Worgen who is typically in human form wearing armor, then loses the armor and weaponry completely when they turn into the Worgen regardless of their class. That's a problem.

But it's not "completely". I must've been unclear in my original post. The draconic form does show player armor - but only the shoulder, tabard and belt slots. That's what the devs have said. Shoulders are some of the most iconic pieces of armor in WoW and for classes in general, so while it could be an issue, I don't think it's a big one.

[Chickat]

Man the more interviews I read the more excited I’m getting

Yeah, this sounds like nothing, but if they mean it could mean big things in the future.

Blizzard has learned that barriers that try to dissuade activity essentially just become annoying hurdles that players have to overcome in 2022 that players just overcome. This has influenced the design of Dragonflight as players now play video games differently in 2022.


Finally blizzard will stop fighting the players on systems. Finally they realized that even if they are technically right on an issue, community perception matters.

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So, i was reading some interviews and found this:



So, the dracthyr was not being build that many years back, but in early development of dragonflight



The team have serious brain limitations to think "existing classes can't fit a draconic race"

This is the level of wow devs we had, do these people even play RPG or read their own game to say shit like this? like we enver saw dragons being basically mages, warriors and druids?



Unbelievable people are eating the story "this race has being developed for years"

Its the same mantra of "shadowlands story is the final chapter of the warcraft 3 story"



But budget is increasing....unless they are lying about.



See, its not hard to find common ground

Although, i still think it can be done inormally, we don't know for sure how their starting zone is, but apparently is the same visage day the other dragons do, per Dansuer words.

No, its the issue of do you want every race to have the same level of customization for Evokers that the new visage forms have, or do you want extra customization for the other races. Sure, maybe they arent doing the latter, but that's the kind of trade off you have. Which would you prefer?

[Varx]

Yeah, it won't be like a mechagnome situation. It would be like a Worgen who is typically in human form wearing armor, then loses the armor and weaponry completely when they turn into the Worgen regardless of their class. That's a problem.



Well sure, but imagine the clipping from those wings with some weapons and pretty much every back item? It'll be a mess.



Eh, I think if the goal here is to have someone be a cool draconic warrior or rogue, you're going to have to show their weapons, or it's pointless.

I hear you believe me. Maybe have certain armor pieces be visible then? Like legs chest gloves, shoulders.

Well if their in visage then that's no issue. In dracthyr then it's only in combat and if your fighting it gonna see them anyway.

[Teriz]

But it's not "completely". I must've been unclear in my original post. The draconic form does show player armor - but only the shoulder, tabard and belt slots. That's what the devs have said. Shoulders are some of the most iconic pieces of armor in WoW and for classes in general, so while it could be an issue, I don't think it's a big one.

Okay, but again, if you're a warrior and you're fully armored complete with weaponry, it's not going to feel good to have to lose all of that gear and weaponry when you enter combat. Going from fully geared with a 2H weapon to wearing nothing but shoulders, a shirt and a belt with no sword to swing is well.... kind of bad.

[Chickat]

I think people are really misunderstanding what exactly the Dracthyr are. The Dracthyr are stand-ins for standard WoW dragons. Since you can't play as something like this;



You're playing as a Dracthyr instead. The Dracthyr race is our way of playing dragons without causing havoc in raiding parties and dungeons. The developers literally said this in their interview. A dracthyr being a Paladin would be like that blue dragon above being a palaidn. That makes zero sense, because this race is based on Alexstraza, Wrathion, and Kalacgos, and the class of those characters are literally dragons. The same applies to dracthyr.

Because of that, it is doubtful that the Dracthyr are going to be anything other than that.

On the flip side, other races can't be Evokers because Evokers have abilities that require the body of a dragon, like Wings, Tails, and Scales. So obviously a non-dragon race could accomplish those type of abilities.

Sure, but its not that hard to imagine that there could be a section of the race that cant turn into dragons. Mutations happen, and "experiments" have failures.

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Still think the allied race in question is Darkfallen, at least for Horde unless they're neutral with Alliance getting Night Elves which I doubt. Who knows we could be getting both Tuskarr for the Alliance and Darkfallen for the Horde.

IM going to be pissed if the alliance gets tuskarr and the horde gets edgy blood elves.

[Ersula]

Hm, I feel like Tuskar would fit Vulpera actually lol. Maybe a smaller Dwarf sized Dragon race?

While the adult Tuskarr use the Pandarian rigging, the baby Tuskarr appears to use the Vulpera rigging. Surely that pre-order pet is the baby Tuskarr, just like the baby Tortollan for BFA

[Teriz]

I hear you believe me. Maybe have certain armor pieces be visible then? Like legs chest gloves, shoulders.

Well if their in visage then that's no issue. In dracthyr then it's only in combat and if your fighting it gonna see them anyway.

It's going to have to be the entire armor set complete with weaponry. Especially if we're talking melee classes. Also combat is a HUGE part of the player experience. I would argue that a big reason why people gear up is for combat purposes.