Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Chickat]

Ongoing expansion and customization of it is something we are looking to do certainly by Dragonflight, possibly before then is rolling a lot of the white and grey quality items into the transmog system so that you can choose from a lot of simpler, humbler civilian attire-type looks. We want to keep adding in more options for customization and self-expression.

They are looking to roll out grey and white items for transmog, maybe before Dragonflight even launches.

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I'd say do the MoP rep bonus for alts and also sneak in the tokens from the Zandalari invasions. Obviously not as farmable as those were but what if every paragon cache also drops a BoA token for 1k (effectively 2k given the bonus) rep until Exalted?

Yeah, that's also a good idea. Or even for example if they add valor back in. Say Valor has a 1k weekly cap. 250 or 500 valor gives you a rep token. If you are done using valor for the tier, you could send rep to alts, or use it on your main to farm paragon cosmetics faster.

Even if rep isn't account wide, I think every character on your server once exalted and farming paragon rep, it should be account wide paragon rep.

[Makabreska]

I agree, but the leak said Moruzond is the final boss. The leak 4 days before the reveal that got everything right. They said 3 things.

Moruzond final boss
Allied race coming for preorder
Release date for Dragonflight Q1 2023.

AR's not being announced during reveal is weird, they basically hid a big feature for no reason.

[KayRule]

I agree, but the leak said Moruzond is the final boss. The leak 4 days before the reveal that got everything right. They said 3 things.

Moruzond final boss
Allied race coming for preorder
Release date for Dragonflight Q1 2023.

Everything that it "got right" was already leaked by Scaleface

[Pheraz]

AR's not being announced during reveal is weird, they basically hid a big feature for no reason.

There is only one scenario which give it some logic: if the upcoming warcraft mobile game is set to start with tuskar or tuskar being some sort of main-NPC we interact with in the tutorial or maybe tuskar(r?) being the "mascots" of the mobile game. This is the only thing I could imagine that would make sense to hide them from the xpac announcement

[Alanar]

Dead elves for both factions for launch.

Tuskarr for the alliance. Vrykul for the horde. (also with the vrykul being stuck on the island for 10k years they should be shorter now for some reason, thus allowing them to more easily be playable char models.
Neutral Drakenoid race near the end of the expansion.

Thats what I would want.

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If they retcon it to them being humanoids that can turn into dragons before launch ( not sure how I would feel about it, but they could do it.) It would make sense for them to be other classes. Lets wait and see, but if like you said the dragon form is their base form, it makes no sense.

Yes give me Vrykul ffs, been waiting way to long for them.
I hope they have a cool pressence on the dragon isles. Some one said they would be there.. not sure, but it does make sense as protodrake riders since wrath.

[Wangming]

So according to Ion in the hazle interview, he hopes to get some of the talent calculators out before Alpha even stats so that they can start getting feedback really early on them. I think that's a great idea. More of this blizzard. Bring back Dev Watercoolers and Artcraft posts.

The interview also said they want to do player housing so hopefully we can bury the argument that it is pointless in WoW cause it has nothing to do with killing.

[Makabreska]

From the new interview Fanbyte had with Ion:

Blizzard has learned that barriers that try to dissuade activity essentially just become annoying hurdles that players have to overcome in 2022 that players just overcome. This has influenced the design of Dragonflight as players now play video games differently in 2022.

Talent Trees will include Covenant abilities and even Shadowlands Legendaries. What will show up there will be influenced from the community as we continue to Alpha.

They're looking to convert Solo Shuffle into a Rated Solo Queue with rating and rewards.

It may be possible for Dracthyr to become other classes in the future, but that's not where the story is starting in Dragonflight.

Player Housing is discussed a lot, and there's interest in it. They're excited about it and hope to deliver it at some point but it's not part of Dragonflight.

[Sondrelk]

We could conceivably have some additional talent points that could be earned post max level within the expansion, that's not something we're going to do right at launch but in later patches, it certainly is an option that's on the table for additional progression and customization that isn't borrowed power but is just yours and your character's powers. Or alternate abilities for itemization to hook into the talent system, kind of like we saw the Relic do for the Artifact system in Legion or like how old school Diablo II items might give you +1 rank to a specific talent, our system is being built with those hooks in place so that we don't want to overcomplicate things at the start but we also want to make sure there's a lot of room for growth and depth in what we're building.

They might add gear that has a talent on it. Say a chest drops that gives you +1 in thunderclap damage. Kinda like relics from legion. So borrowed power, but not a big grindy thing. Deterministic items like relics that you can get for the tier and be done.

Also potential ways to earn more talent points to unlock more utility. How do we feel about that. Its a very minor form of borrowed power, but it is borrowed power.

Borrowed power is a meme buzzword that has no meaning so long as players are going to demand new trinkets, item effects on weapons, and most importantly tier sets.

Borrowed power is inevitable when the game is designed like it is, so really the question becomes more of when said borrowed power crosses over from fun to obnoxious, and in that regard I think gear with +1 talent point or whatever is a neat and fun addition.

[Chickat]

Borrowed power is a meme buzzword that has no meaning so long as players are going to demand new trinkets, item effects on weapons, and most importantly tier sets.

Borrowed power is inevitable when the game is designed like it is, so really the question becomes more of when said borrowed power crosses over from fun to obnoxious, and in that regard I think gear with +1 talent point or whatever is a neat and fun addition.

Yeah, I thought it was a cool idea too, but some players will moan and meme on it regardless.

[Sondrelk]

Ongoing expansion and customization of it is something we are looking to do certainly by Dragonflight, possibly before then is rolling a lot of the white and grey quality items into the transmog system so that you can choose from a lot of simpler, humbler civilian attire-type looks. We want to keep adding in more options for customization and self-expression.

They are looking to roll out grey and white items for transmog, maybe before Dragonflight even launches.

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Yeah, that's also a good idea. Or even for example if they add valor back in. Say Valor has a 1k weekly cap. 250 or 500 valor gives you a rep token. If you are done using valor for the tier, you could send rep to alts, or use it on your main to farm paragon cosmetics faster.

Even if rep isn't account wide, I think every character on your server once exalted and farming paragon rep, it should be account wide paragon rep.

Hopefully my dream comes true and I will be able to transmog other armor types as well. White and grey armor is nice and all, but it doesn't exactly have a lot of variety unless Blizzard actually adds NPC only armor, like the Kul Tiran beanies and coats.

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Yeah, I thought it was a cool idea too, but some players will moan and meme on it regardless.

Players would moan if Blizzard gave everyone a free mount for logging into Dragonflight because it "forces" them to play the expansion.

[Chickat]

Hopefully my dream comes true and I will be able to transmog other armor types as well. White and grey armor is nice and all, but it doesn't exactly have a lot of variety unless Blizzard actually adds NPC only armor, like the Kul Tiran beanies and coats.

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Players would moan if Blizzard gave everyone a free mount for logging into Dragonflight because it "forces" them to play the expansion.

Its a start. He did say they are looking to expand it in Dragonflight, just that the white and grey thing might happen before. So we will see.

And yes players moan about everything. IM just tired of hearing about it. Its okay to submit negative feedback, but a ton of people take it too far.

[Lady Atia]

Its a start. He did say they are looking to expand it in Dragonflight, just that the white and grey thing might happen before. So we will see.

And yes players moan about everything. IM just tired of hearing about it. Its okay to submit negative feedback, but a ton of people take it too far.

Yep, sadly. It feels like it doesn't even matter what the devs do, people will hate on it because "it's cool to bash on them". Dragonflight looks super awesome and I can't wait to dig into the Alpha to explore all the new stuff.

[KayRule]

Borrowed power is a meme buzzword that has no meaning so long as players are going to demand new trinkets, item effects on weapons, and most importantly tier sets.

Borrowed power is inevitable when the game is designed like it is, so really the question becomes more of when said borrowed power crosses over from fun to obnoxious, and in that regard I think gear with +1 talent point or whatever is a neat and fun addition.

The thing is, trinkets and item effects and tier sets don't cost you raid tiers.

Heart of Azeroth took up so much dev time trying to "get it right", every other "expansion feature" was abandoned and even the original 8.3 was scaled down significantly.

Adding new talents and trinkets won't have that problem.

[Lady Atia]

The thing is, trinkets and item effects and tier sets don't cost you raid tiers.

Heart of Azeroth took up so much dev time trying to "get it right", every other "expansion feature" was abandoned and even the original 8.3 was scaled down significantly.

Adding new talents and trinkets won't have that problem.

The problem isn't that "it cost us a raidtier", the problem is that they developed these cool expansion wide systems only to threw all of it away at the start of the next one which felt super bad as you were leaving a huge part of your power and your last expansions core behind, which goes against the basic of any RPG game. Also it only really worked with Legion since no one expected them to leave all these awesome artifact weapons behind. When they announced Shadowlands, Covenant were doomed to fail because we already knew that we will only have them for one Expansion.

[Sondrelk]

The thing is, trinkets and item effects and tier sets don't cost you raid tiers.

Heart of Azeroth took up so much dev time trying to "get it right", every other "expansion feature" was abandoned and even the original 8.3 was scaled down significantly.

Adding new talents and trinkets won't have that problem.

It's absolute true that Azerite and Artifacts didn't really work. The issue i have is just calling them borrowed power and acting like that is sufficient criticism, oblivious to how this is how all gear works in WoW.

I especially found it aggravating how players complained about Azerite borrowed power, and then in the same argument talked warmly about how Tier Sets were completely different from borrowed power for reasons they never explained.

What players disliked were arcane systems for endless endgame progression that subtly incentivized you to play constantly for fear of missing out, while at the same time making it feel like you spent too much time grinding when you could just wait and have it go faster the week after.

[Makabreska]

The thing is, trinkets and item effects and tier sets don't cost you raid tiers.

Heart of Azeroth took up so much dev time trying to "get it right", every other "expansion feature" was abandoned and even the original 8.3 was scaled down significantly.

Adding new talents and trinkets won't have that problem.

Uhhh, why do you reply to a meme buzzword with another meme buzzword. Do you honestly think HoA was hindering other developments? 8.1 brought big Island improvements, new Warfront and a raid, 8.2 brought Essences, new raid, mega dungeon and two new zones. 8.3 brought Corruption and new raid. Where is this missing content due to HoA?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Okay, i have to quickly log in and snatch most of the white items on AH, you know there's already some goblin barons buying them all.

[Chickat]

The thing is, trinkets and item effects and tier sets don't cost you raid tiers.

Heart of Azeroth took up so much dev time trying to "get it right", every other "expansion feature" was abandoned and even the original 8.3 was scaled down significantly.

Adding new talents and trinkets won't have that problem.

I can see that argument yes. Say they add a trinket in a raid in the second tier that also gives you increased bladestorm damage, effectly an extra point out of 3 for bladestorm. So BS goes from standard 3/3 to 4/3 picked.

Also I guess they would gift us talent points for the expansion by doing story quests or something, or being empowered by dragons. That could be cool, but they should keep it to only a few times at most. If they grants us 10 more talent points over the expansion, suddenly as you level into 11.0 to 80 you don't gain any talents because you lose the 10 you had in 10.0.

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Okay, i have to quickly log in and snatch most of the white items on AH, you know there's already some goblin barons buying them all.

idk if I would do that haha. They might end up not doing it, and then you have hundreds of whites and greys.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

idk if I would do that haha. They might end up not doing it, and then you have hundreds of whites and greys.

I hope they will.

Since new class/race is so limited in terms of being accessible for other races i hope they will tweak transmog system limitations like that and add a bunch of new customization for races again, like tattoos for all races, more eye colors on races where theres only like 5 options, e.g blue eyes for maghar orcs and eyebrows for orcs, beards for trolls and many many more.

Being able to hide one glove would be also cool, like the shoulders.

[Sondrelk]

I can see that argument yes. Say they add a trinket in a raid in the second tier that also gives you increased bladestorm damage, effectly an extra point out of 3 for bladestorm. So BS goes from standard 3/3 to 4/3 picked.

Also I guess they would gift us talent points for the expansion by doing story quests or something, or being empowered by dragons. That could be cool, but they should keep it to only a few times at most. If they grants us 10 more talent points over the expansion, suddenly as you level into 11.0 to 80 you don't gain any talents because you lose the 10 you had in 10.0.

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idk if I would do that haha. They might end up not doing it, and then you have hundreds of whites and greys.

In thinking about it, you know what is absolutely criminal Blizzard hasn't brought back?
Quivers.

The game already supported them, had several appearances available, and they were tied to items.

Just add a vendor back on a hunter trainer somewhere and we are golden.