Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

Sure, but its not that hard to imagine that there could be a section of the race that cant turn into dragons. Mutations happen, and "experiments" have failures.

Uh, the Dracthyr race's entire point is turning into a dragon. Their actual race is a dragon person. The Elf/Human visage is just a disguise.

[Chickat]

Uh, the Dracthyr race's entire point is turning into a dragon. Their actual race is a dragon person. The Elf/Human visage is just a disguise.

Hm, that's true actually.

If their main form is Dragons, it makes 0 sense for them to be other classes.

Im changing my answer to agreeing with you. It makes zero sense for them to be any other classes.

[Teriz]

Hm, that's true actually.

If their main form is Dragons, it makes 0 sense for them to be other classes.

Im changing my answer to agreeing with you. It makes zero sense for them to be any other classes.

Thank you. Someone needs to tell Ion to stop BSing people.

[Ersula]

Do we actually know adult tuskarr use pandaren rigging, or is it speculation?

Right now all we have to go on is appearance. The new Male Tuskarr is a little different, but his neutral stance is more like the Pandaran Male than the old Tuskarr model. The Tuskarr female appears to be a modified version of the Pandarian female, sort of like how the Zandalari use a modified version of the Darkspear rigging. The female Tuskarr appears to have a Female Pandarian model only the upper body is made larger than the lower body. It would require some work to make them allied races but its definitely doable on Blizzard's part.

My bet is Darkfallen Night Elves for the Alliance & Darkfallen Belves for the Horde for the pre-order & then its a tossup of centaurs, tuskarr & gnolls for allied races later in the expansion. (We haven't seen the new Gnolls in action but their limbs are a bit longer, apparently putting them in line with the Worgen rigging. They have a hump but that's not unlike how the Zandalari & Kul'tiran share a lot of animations & they gave them a big belly)

Also I would love a Watcher allied race (Human rigging) but that's a long shot.

[Teriz]

Tuskarr being an AR of Pandaren, and also being neutral is a pretty brilliant move by Blizzard (if true).

[Ersula]

Uh, the Dracthyr race's entire point is turning into a dragon. Their actual race is a dragon person. The Elf/Human visage is just a disguise.

We're not totally clear on that: We know they're the mixture of Dragon & Human DNA, created by Neltharion. And they call it a visage, just like dragons. But it's not clear (and when is Blizzard every clear about anything) if the story reason is that's all they can turn into because that's their actual genetics. The Dragon form is more human-like & the Human form is more dragon-like because they can't fully transform.

Tuskarr being an AR of Pandaren, and also being neutral is a pretty brilliant move by Blizzard (if true).

I know people have been mentioning them for a long time, but are they really all that popular? Personally I'd like to play a Gnoll.

[Alexjimithing]

A very bizarre discussion to me because, regardless of lore specifics and what Blizzard says they are 'officially', people are going to call them dragons.

It's a new race that looks dragon-like more than half the time introduced in an expansion named 'Dragonflight' that has dragon aspect inspired abilities.

[Teriz]

We're not totally clear on that: We know they're the mixture of Dragon & Human DNA, created by Neltharion. And they call it a visage, just like dragons. But it's not clear (and when is Blizzard every clear about anything) if the story reason is that's all they can turn into because that's their actual genetics. The Dragon form is more human-like & the Human form is more dragon-like because they can't fully transform.

Their actual form is the dragon form. That's been established. The visage is just their mortal disguise. The very term "visage" comes from the short story about Chromie choosing her visage of a Gnome on "Visage Day". In other words, Dracthyr take mortal disguises just like Alexstraza, Wrathion, Onynxia, Kairzdormu, and other dragons.

[Ersula]

Their actual form is the dragon form. That's been established. The visage is just their mortal disguise. The very term "visage" comes from the short story about Chromie choosing her visage of a Gnome on "Visage Day". In other words, Dracthyr take mortal disguises just like Alexstraza, Wrathion, Onynxia, Kairzdormu, and other dragons.

But Chromie isn't a Dracthyr.

That's how Dragons work. Dracthyr have the DNA of Dragons but that doesn't mean they're the same thing. Look at all the creatures in Wow that have Dragon DNA and can't transform at all. Just because they also call it a visage you're making a leap in logic that it works exactly the same. For now, the Dracthyr can't turn into anything but specifically the thing they have the DNA of, that tells me it's genetically determined.

[Teriz]

A very bizarre discussion to me because, regardless of lore specifics and what Blizzard says they are 'officially', people are going to call them dragons.

It's a new race that looks dragon-like more than half the time introduced in an expansion named 'Dragonflight' that has dragon aspect inspired abilities.

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned its just semantics. They have wings, a tail, scales, can breathe fire, and have abilities from Alexstraza from HotS. I'd call that a dragon.

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But Chromie isn't a Dracthyr.

That's how Dragons work. Just because they also call it a visage you're making a leap in logic that it works exactly the same. For now, the Dracthyr can't turn into anything but specifically the think they have the DNA of, that tells me it's genetically determined.

You do know that the only reason we're not turning into this;



Is because of technical reasons right? Dracthyr is the compromise so that we can play as dragons without crashing the game when we raid or enter taverns. Blizzard devs literally said this.

[KayRule]

We're not totally clear on that: We know they're the mixture of Dragon & Human DNA, created by Neltharion. And they call it a visage, just like dragons. But it's not clear (and when is Blizzard every clear about anything) if the story reason is that's all they can turn into because that's their actual genetics. The Dragon form is more human-like & the Human form is more dragon-like because they can't fully transform.
I know people have been mentioning them for a long time, but are they really all that popular? Personally I'd like to play a Gnoll.

They're an OG classic from all the way back in TFT, of course they're that popular.

[rhorle]

For now, the Dracthyr can't turn into anything but specifically the thing they have the DNA of, that tells me it's genetically determined.

We don't know how it works so aren't you making a leap in logic? Isn't it strange how you dismiss their claim while implying yours is better when both are based on no knowledge of how it actually works.

[Ersula]

We don't know how it works so aren't you making a leap in logic? Isn't it strange how you dismiss their claim while implying yours is better when both are based on no knowledge of how it actually works.

I'm not making any claims at all: I'm just stating the snippit of lore they've given us and that it doesn't line up with what Teriz is saying.

Is because of technical reasons right? Dracthyr is the compromise so that we can play as dragons without crashing the game when we raid or enter taverns. Blizzard devs literally said this.

What does that have to do with the in-lore explanation of this new race? You don't think that they're half-dragon-half-human is why they can only turn into humans with dragon features??

[rhorle]

I'm not making any claims at all: I'm just stating the snippit of lore they've given us and that it doesn't line up with what Teriz is saying.

Has Blizzard mentioned DNA? Lmao. You are taking lore snippets, just as teriz, and running with your own theory. Same leap in logic but only one is dismissed because of said leap.

[Andromedes]

Yeah, as far as I'm concerned its just semantics. They have wings, a tail, scales, can breathe fire, and have abilities from Alexstraza from HotS. I'd call that a dragon.

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You do know that the only reason we're not turning into this;



Is because of technical reasons right? Dracthyr is the compromise so that we can play as dragons without crashing the game when we raid or enter taverns. Blizzard devs literally said this.

Being a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break the game. Especially if you could spend most of the time in your humanoid form where some specific draconic abilities would temporarily transform you into dragon and then back to humanoid, just like DH's temporal metamorphosis during eye beam etc.. And about entering inside buildings/instances/dungeon, it could be treated like druid travel forms, where it automatically transforms you into humanoid form.

In outdoor places you could be in your dragon form as long as you wish.

[Ersula]

Has Blizzard mentioned DNA? Lmao. You are taking lore snippets, just as teriz, and running with your own theory. Same leap in logic but only one is dismissed because of said leap.

The word they used was bred. That's genetics. Do you hard time with synonyms?

eing a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break the game.

True, but a dragon full of player-chosen modular customization options would. But also not relevant to this conversation.

[rhorle]

Being a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break a game.

Blizzard said that it would block to much of combat. Even Dragons the size of player mounts would still block a lot more of the screen space in a raid. Imagine trying to see fire on the ground with 5 "mount-size" dragons on the screen.

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The word they used was bred. That's genetics. Do you hard time with synonyms?True, but a dragon full of player-chosen modular customization options would. But also not relevant to this conversation.

Do you have a source since they don't mention "Bred" in the official videos. They use expirement of taking the essence of Dragons and Primalists. This isn't a case of synonyms either so don't move the goal posts. You are using your own interpretation of the little lore we know to draw a conclusion. Same as Teriz. If dismiss his claims then so must yours, right?

[Chickat]

Right now all we have to go on is appearance. The new Male Tuskarr is a little different, but his neutral stance is more like the Pandaran Male than the old Tuskarr model. The Tuskarr female appears to be a modified version of the Pandarian female, sort of like how the Zandalari use a modified version of the Darkspear rigging. The female Tuskarr appears to have a Female Pandarian model only the upper body is made larger than the lower body. It would require some work to make them allied races but its definitely doable on Blizzard's part.

My bet is Darkfallen Night Elves for the Alliance & Darkfallen Belves for the Horde for the pre-order & then its a tossup of centaurs, tuskarr & gnolls for allied races later in the expansion. (We haven't seen the new Gnolls in action but their limbs are a bit longer, apparently putting them in line with the Worgen rigging. They have a hump but that's not unlike how the Zandalari & Kul'tiran share a lot of animations & they gave them a big belly)

Also I would love a Watcher allied race (Human rigging) but that's a long shot.

Dead elves for both factions for launch.

Tuskarr for the alliance. Vrykul for the horde. (also with the vrykul being stuck on the island for 10k years they should be shorter now for some reason, thus allowing them to more easily be playable char models.
Neutral Drakenoid race near the end of the expansion.

Thats what I would want.

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Their actual form is the dragon form. That's been established. The visage is just their mortal disguise. The very term "visage" comes from the short story about Chromie choosing her visage of a Gnome on "Visage Day". In other words, Dracthyr take mortal disguises just like Alexstraza, Wrathion, Onynxia, Kairzdormu, and other dragons.

If they retcon it to them being humanoids that can turn into dragons before launch ( not sure how I would feel about it, but they could do it.) It would make sense for them to be other classes. Lets wait and see, but if like you said the dragon form is their base form, it makes no sense.

[Nymrohd]

Blizzard said that it would block to much of combat. Even Dragons the size of player mounts would still block a lot more of the screen space in a raid. Imagine trying to see fire on the ground with 5 "mount-size" dragons on the screen.

Blizzard must hate me then since I invest in as many size increases while tanking as possible.

[Gigantique]

https://wowanalytica.com/statistics

Sweet thanks, I must have found dated info then, goddamn Hunters down by 2 entire % in just over a year (my numbers were from jan 2021) doesn't bode well for sub numbers unless they all rerolled NF druids :P

Personally as a transmog addict druid is the only class I have never managed to play at max level, whereas I have (too) many of each other class for different races/mogs etc.

Was worried that the Dracthyr would have the same problem, but with the dev clarifying that they can wear shoulders/belts/tabards I'm less worried, since a pair of bulky/big shoulders could go a long way to counter their scrawny physique.

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Being a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break the game. Especially if you could spend most of the time in your humanoid form where some specific draconic abilities would temporarily transform you into dragon and then back to humanoid, just like DH's temporal metamorphosis during eye beam etc.. And about entering inside buildings/instances/dungeon, it could be treated like druid travel forms, where it automatically transforms you into humanoid form.

In outdoor places you could be in your dragon form as long as you wish.

I for one would not want to, I mean the WoW dragon mounts look goofy af running on the ground. They don't have the size of other dragons so they have the same problem as kodo mounts and run way too fast.