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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Hm, I feel like Tuskar would fit Vulpera actually lol. Maybe a smaller Dwarf sized Dragon race?
    While the adult Tuskarr use the Pandarian rigging, the baby Tuskarr appears to use the Vulpera rigging. Surely that pre-order pet is the baby Tuskarr, just like the baby Tortollan for BFA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varx View Post
    I hear you believe me. Maybe have certain armor pieces be visible then? Like legs chest gloves, shoulders.

    Well if their in visage then that's no issue. In dracthyr then it's only in combat and if your fighting it gonna see them anyway.
    It's going to have to be the entire armor set complete with weaponry. Especially if we're talking melee classes. Also combat is a HUGE part of the player experience. I would argue that a big reason why people gear up is for combat purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    While the adult Tuskarr use the Pandarian rigging, the baby Tuskarr appears to use the Vulpera rigging. Surely that pre-order pet is the baby Tuskarr, just like the baby Tortollan for BFA
    Do we actually know adult tuskarr use pandaren rigging, or is it speculation?

    The tuskarr from back in wrath don't use panda rigging.

    PLus tuskar are short. Sure they are fat, but the vulpera rig could be edited to not clip with their bodies. Still it does make more sense for them to use the pandaren one.

    I was just trying to copium my way into believing the vulpera rig could be adult playable tuskarr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Sure, but its not that hard to imagine that there could be a section of the race that cant turn into dragons. Mutations happen, and "experiments" have failures.
    Uh, the Dracthyr race's entire point is turning into a dragon. Their actual race is a dragon person. The Elf/Human visage is just a disguise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh, the Dracthyr race's entire point is turning into a dragon. Their actual race is a dragon person. The Elf/Human visage is just a disguise.
    Hm, that's true actually.

    If their main form is Dragons, it makes 0 sense for them to be other classes.

    Im changing my answer to agreeing with you. It makes zero sense for them to be any other classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Hm, that's true actually.

    If their main form is Dragons, it makes 0 sense for them to be other classes.

    Im changing my answer to agreeing with you. It makes zero sense for them to be any other classes.
    Thank you. Someone needs to tell Ion to stop BSing people.

  7. #52827
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Do we actually know adult tuskarr use pandaren rigging, or is it speculation?
    Right now all we have to go on is appearance. The new Male Tuskarr is a little different, but his neutral stance is more like the Pandaran Male than the old Tuskarr model. The Tuskarr female appears to be a modified version of the Pandarian female, sort of like how the Zandalari use a modified version of the Darkspear rigging. The female Tuskarr appears to have a Female Pandarian model only the upper body is made larger than the lower body. It would require some work to make them allied races but its definitely doable on Blizzard's part.

    My bet is Darkfallen Night Elves for the Alliance & Darkfallen Belves for the Horde for the pre-order & then its a tossup of centaurs, tuskarr & gnolls for allied races later in the expansion. (We haven't seen the new Gnolls in action but their limbs are a bit longer, apparently putting them in line with the Worgen rigging. They have a hump but that's not unlike how the Zandalari & Kul'tiran share a lot of animations & they gave them a big belly)

    Also I would love a Watcher allied race (Human rigging) but that's a long shot.

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    Tuskarr being an AR of Pandaren, and also being neutral is a pretty brilliant move by Blizzard (if true).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh, the Dracthyr race's entire point is turning into a dragon. Their actual race is a dragon person. The Elf/Human visage is just a disguise.
    We're not totally clear on that: We know they're the mixture of Dragon & Human DNA, created by Neltharion. And they call it a visage, just like dragons. But it's not clear (and when is Blizzard every clear about anything) if the story reason is that's all they can turn into because that's their actual genetics. The Dragon form is more human-like & the Human form is more dragon-like because they can't fully transform.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Tuskarr being an AR of Pandaren, and also being neutral is a pretty brilliant move by Blizzard (if true).
    I know people have been mentioning them for a long time, but are they really all that popular? Personally I'd like to play a Gnoll.

  10. #52830
    A very bizarre discussion to me because, regardless of lore specifics and what Blizzard says they are 'officially', people are going to call them dragons.

    It's a new race that looks dragon-like more than half the time introduced in an expansion named 'Dragonflight' that has dragon aspect inspired abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    We're not totally clear on that: We know they're the mixture of Dragon & Human DNA, created by Neltharion. And they call it a visage, just like dragons. But it's not clear (and when is Blizzard every clear about anything) if the story reason is that's all they can turn into because that's their actual genetics. The Dragon form is more human-like & the Human form is more dragon-like because they can't fully transform.
    Their actual form is the dragon form. That's been established. The visage is just their mortal disguise. The very term "visage" comes from the short story about Chromie choosing her visage of a Gnome on "Visage Day". In other words, Dracthyr take mortal disguises just like Alexstraza, Wrathion, Onynxia, Kairzdormu, and other dragons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Their actual form is the dragon form. That's been established. The visage is just their mortal disguise. The very term "visage" comes from the short story about Chromie choosing her visage of a Gnome on "Visage Day". In other words, Dracthyr take mortal disguises just like Alexstraza, Wrathion, Onynxia, Kairzdormu, and other dragons.
    But Chromie isn't a Dracthyr.

    That's how Dragons work. Dracthyr have the DNA of Dragons but that doesn't mean they're the same thing. Look at all the creatures in Wow that have Dragon DNA and can't transform at all. Just because they also call it a visage you're making a leap in logic that it works exactly the same. For now, the Dracthyr can't turn into anything but specifically the thing they have the DNA of, that tells me it's genetically determined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexjimithing View Post
    A very bizarre discussion to me because, regardless of lore specifics and what Blizzard says they are 'officially', people are going to call them dragons.

    It's a new race that looks dragon-like more than half the time introduced in an expansion named 'Dragonflight' that has dragon aspect inspired abilities.
    Yeah, as far as I'm concerned its just semantics. They have wings, a tail, scales, can breathe fire, and have abilities from Alexstraza from HotS. I'd call that a dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    But Chromie isn't a Dracthyr.

    That's how Dragons work. Just because they also call it a visage you're making a leap in logic that it works exactly the same. For now, the Dracthyr can't turn into anything but specifically the think they have the DNA of, that tells me it's genetically determined.
    You do know that the only reason we're not turning into this;



    Is because of technical reasons right? Dracthyr is the compromise so that we can play as dragons without crashing the game when we raid or enter taverns. Blizzard devs literally said this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    We're not totally clear on that: We know they're the mixture of Dragon & Human DNA, created by Neltharion. And they call it a visage, just like dragons. But it's not clear (and when is Blizzard every clear about anything) if the story reason is that's all they can turn into because that's their actual genetics. The Dragon form is more human-like & the Human form is more dragon-like because they can't fully transform.
    I know people have been mentioning them for a long time, but are they really all that popular? Personally I'd like to play a Gnoll.
    They're an OG classic from all the way back in TFT, of course they're that popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    For now, the Dracthyr can't turn into anything but specifically the thing they have the DNA of, that tells me it's genetically determined.
    We don't know how it works so aren't you making a leap in logic? Isn't it strange how you dismiss their claim while implying yours is better when both are based on no knowledge of how it actually works.
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  16. #52836
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    We don't know how it works so aren't you making a leap in logic? Isn't it strange how you dismiss their claim while implying yours is better when both are based on no knowledge of how it actually works.
    I'm not making any claims at all: I'm just stating the snippit of lore they've given us and that it doesn't line up with what Teriz is saying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Is because of technical reasons right? Dracthyr is the compromise so that we can play as dragons without crashing the game when we raid or enter taverns. Blizzard devs literally said this.
    What does that have to do with the in-lore explanation of this new race? You don't think that they're half-dragon-half-human is why they can only turn into humans with dragon features??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I'm not making any claims at all: I'm just stating the snippit of lore they've given us and that it doesn't line up with what Teriz is saying.
    Has Blizzard mentioned DNA? Lmao. You are taking lore snippets, just as teriz, and running with your own theory. Same leap in logic but only one is dismissed because of said leap.
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  18. #52838
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yeah, as far as I'm concerned its just semantics. They have wings, a tail, scales, can breathe fire, and have abilities from Alexstraza from HotS. I'd call that a dragon.

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    You do know that the only reason we're not turning into this;



    Is because of technical reasons right? Dracthyr is the compromise so that we can play as dragons without crashing the game when we raid or enter taverns. Blizzard devs literally said this.


    Being a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break the game. Especially if you could spend most of the time in your humanoid form where some specific draconic abilities would temporarily transform you into dragon and then back to humanoid, just like DH's temporal metamorphosis during eye beam etc.. And about entering inside buildings/instances/dungeon, it could be treated like druid travel forms, where it automatically transforms you into humanoid form.

    In outdoor places you could be in your dragon form as long as you wish.
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  19. #52839
    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Has Blizzard mentioned DNA? Lmao. You are taking lore snippets, just as teriz, and running with your own theory. Same leap in logic but only one is dismissed because of said leap.
    The word they used was bred. That's genetics. Do you hard time with synonyms?
    Quote Originally Posted by Andromedes View Post
    eing a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break the game.
    True, but a dragon full of player-chosen modular customization options would. But also not relevant to this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andromedes View Post
    Being a dragon in a size of player mount, or even slightly smaller wouldnt break a game.
    Blizzard said that it would block to much of combat. Even Dragons the size of player mounts would still block a lot more of the screen space in a raid. Imagine trying to see fire on the ground with 5 "mount-size" dragons on the screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The word they used was bred. That's genetics. Do you hard time with synonyms?True, but a dragon full of player-chosen modular customization options would. But also not relevant to this conversation.
    Do you have a source since they don't mention "Bred" in the official videos. They use expirement of taking the essence of Dragons and Primalists. This isn't a case of synonyms either so don't move the goal posts. You are using your own interpretation of the little lore we know to draw a conclusion. Same as Teriz. If dismiss his claims then so must yours, right?
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