Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Teriz]

The visage look way to finak fantasy like and justbto much crsp on their face. Scales painted on etc..

Which is optional. There will be options where you can look like a standard human/elf hybrid without the horns or scales.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

The fact that there are some people who want the race to be a drake + a regular Azeroth visage form is... odd. I get that is how it is in lore, but what's the appeal?

Just sounds like feral druid with wings.

appeal is objective and for every group of people different, someone can't really explain it because you won't understand it aswell, still seeing this as unappealing to you, never ending discussion.

[Alanar]

Which is optional. There will be options where you can look like a standard human/elf hybrid without the horns or scales.

I know, not sure if the other guy knows.

It was already explained in an interview, doesnt take away my opinion on them tho.

[Khaza-R]

After 11 years we will finally be able to transmog white + gray items. Small victories I suppose.

[Cheezits]

Speaking of options, looks like they are thinking of making it so you can fight in visage form if you want.

buffed: The change between human and dragon form - is it purely cosmetic, as with the Worgen, or does the humanoid form have any gameplay influence?
Ion Hazzikostas: It's something we're actually working through right now internally. We understand there's definitely desire to be able to be in your humanoid form in combat in a way that you can't be as a worgen. But of course, if you're doing a deep breath or using your wings, you can't do that in humanoid form. We want to give players as much flexibility there as possible. The dragon form certainly isn't like a metamorphosis for demon hunters. It is the innate form that the Evoker takes, and all their abilities will be usable in it. But we're looking to find ways to work humanoid form into combat. But ultimately, we want to let players do what they prefer aesthetically, rather than forcing gameplay based on mechanics.

[Nymrohd]

The fact that there are some people who want the race to be a drake + a regular Azeroth visage form is... odd. I get that is how it is in lore, but what's the appeal?

Just sounds like feral druid with wings.

Honestly I wanted Drake form (mount), hybrid form (your Visage form with claws, horns, tail, wings) and Visage form to just be your choice of race.

[therumblings]

Speaking of options, looks like they are thinking of making it so you can fight in visage form if you want.

This is dumb. Why pick the dragon race if you are just going to fight as a blood elf caster?

[Teriz]

Speaking of options, looks like they are thinking of making it so you can fight in visage form if you want.

Which makes sense. If you play Alexstraza HotS, she casts certain spells in her visage form. Obviously if you're doing something draconic like that spell where you're flying across the battlefield strafing targets with fire breath, you're going to need to be a dragon.

[Cheezits]

This is dumb. Why pick the dragon race if you are just going to fight as a blood elf caster?

I assume some people prefer the half-dragon look and it will be easier to show armor that way.

[therumblings]

Which makes sense. If you play Alexstraza HotS, she casts certain spells in her visage form. Obviously if you're doing something draconic like that spell where you're flying across the battlefield strafing targets with fire breath, you're going to need to be a dragon.

If they make it so you can fight in visage form 99% of players will just be blood elves. If they are going to do this, then they have to expand customization for visage form to more races at the very least. This feels like Demon Hunters 2 instead of a new race.

[Teriz]

If they make it so you can fight in visage form 99% of players will just be blood elves. If they are going to do this, then they have to expand customization for visage form to more races at the very least. This feels like Demon Hunters 2 instead of a new race.

I do think in the end, Blizzard will just make it so in combat you're stuck in Draconic form. I don't think it's worth the effort to have you constantly flipping in and out of forms.

I assume some people prefer the half-dragon look and it will be easier to show armor that way.

As Gildward said, it kind of defeats the purpose of the concept. If you want to be a human or elf caster, pick another class.

[Nymrohd]

This is dumb. Why pick the dragon race if you are just going to fight as a blood elf caster?

Probably to show the mog. Or you are picking the Evoker class and don't like the dragon race.

[therumblings]

I do think in the end, Blizzard will just make it so in combat you're stuck in Draconic form. I don't think it's worth the effort to have you constantly flipping in and out of forms.

It just comes across as really lame to me to add a playable dragon race in the game but in combat you can be a blood elf. I think some restrictions are necessary for the race, most of the abilities can only work as a dragon anyway. Visage form is just an illusion, the dragon is their true form. I hope this stuff plays out better in game because right now they seem unsure of themselves and are trying to please both crowds.

[Teriz]

It just comes across as really lame to me to add a playable dragon race in the game but in combat you can be a blood elf. I think some restrictions are necessary for the race, most of the abilities can only work as a dragon anyway. Visage form is just an illusion, the dragon is their true form. I hope this stuff plays out better in game because right now they seem unsure of themselves and are trying to please both crowds.

Yeah, I'm getting that vibe too. They don't sound confident, and that's a very bad thing. The people requesting stuff clearly don't understand the general concept, and its kind of annoying to watch Ion bounce around this concept as if its going to be all things to all people.

The mechanics of this class is sound. The only issue that they need to fix is some aesthetic stuff like the appearance of the form, and cleaning up the visage model. Beyond that, I think they have a very good concept on their hands and they need to push it through.

[therumblings]

Yeah, I'm getting that vibe too. They don't sound confident, and that's a very bad thing. The people requesting stuff clearly don't understand the general concept, and its kind of annoying to watch Ion bounce around this concept as if its going to be all things to all people.

Ultimately if they wanted to win the blood elf/human crowd they should have scrapped the race and just made Evoker a DH class that gives you a dragon form. This is going to suck for anyone who wanted a true dragon race, unless they gain confidence to stick to their concept instead of muddying the waters to please everyone.

[pacotaco]

I mean yes, they are slow and we know that, thanks for keeping us updated Blizz!

Their "Soon!" is a very unreliable source as well. As I said, the 9.1 PTR soon was about two months? So... testing soon could mean Summer.

Well, it clearly shows that some people don't know it, because he specifilly had to clarify that.

[Lorca]

Well, if the problem is the wings… couldn’t they put them in some way on the humanoid model? Just asking. In my case I think the draconic form if way better and way more interesting than the blood elf or human with horns, which is kinda a DH, but to each his own!

[therumblings]

Tbh I'm not expecting the expansion to release this year. Scaleface was right about everything but even when he was right in the past he got some dates wrong. Which isn't anything against him, as dates change more than anything else. I'm guessing maybe February/March release.

[pacotaco]

The visage look way to final fantasy like and just to much crap on their face. Scales painted on etc..something more simplistic isnt weird. The signature of arafal does show you how overstuffed the faces look. Looks like blue tattoos ratger then scales for example.

I think that's just the promo art putting a lot of shit to show all customization.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

In my opinion they got stuck in the hole with that whole concept.

I think that more race visage options should at least in the minimum come with patches, i really dislike BE model and animations so i would prefer to not opt of out the dragon form for even a minute, of course if they make optional tweaks like Thunderbrush did.