Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Syegfryed]

No, one person is talking about how it is good, and I disagree with them that it is good. What I think it is is understandable: if Blizzard was in as bad a state as people claim it was, then we likely wouldn't have this race at all without the half-measures like only one class.

Allowing then to be other classes will not cost then a raid tier, they now have to work on the dragon form to wear armor and done.

The visage forms being reduced is choice based however. They could've definitely just put horns on every race for visage but instead decided to make them a unique racial appearance, probably to make the race look less cheap (even if the visage forms were "lore friendly" and could be anyone, I can see a lot of players calling it a lazy race because of how few new art assets would be used). But because they did that they had to reduce the visages down to two.

They chose to make the visage form have to many customizations to hide their laziness on the actual dragon form, that is what we call smockscreen tactic, because its a re-used demon hunter idea sold as race.

We already saw in shadowlands that adding a wide range of customizations for multiple, IS NOT HARD.

Doing this half-asset end up being worse than making what people wanted, so now they have to run for their money to fix it.

We're gaining an awesome class that represents the draconic aspects characterized by Alexstraza, Wrathion, Chromie, Kalecgos, and other popular dragons. We shouldn't drag that awesome concept down by making them just another race that has wings and claws for no reason.

My dude, you don't know how this class will be, just by the presentation we can even say its going to be lame half-asset that just have 2 specs

It does not even use fire to heal like you wanted to. Youc an't even change to a gnome like Chromie that you used as example, or other visages like the dragons we saw so far.

Allowing other players to play like they want - with other classes or visages - will not remove anything from you, stop being selfish

In lore, dragons like Alexstraza and co. are only dragons. That's what the new race is designed to represent.

The way they designed is bad and limiting, so they should change

Its how things are.

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Why would I play HotS? I'm perfectly happy with the design decisions for this new race, and I'm defending those decisions. You're the one unhappy about Blizzard's design for the Dracthyr. Shouldn't you be the one looking for another game to play right now?

Like i said, if you are happy, good for you.

Changing so other people can be happy as well will not ruin your happiness

unless you are salty about tinkers and this is why you are in this crusade for the new race/class to be bad, so you can point that out later.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't want small tiers(1-2 bosses is way too small like waaaay too much). Raid size has never been an issue for me. At worst its overtuning(I'm not a mythic raider so mythic mode doesn't concern me so my criticisms don't apply so relax your panties) or maybe as a guildie puts it overwhelming amounts of mechanics(I don't necessarily agree all the time but sometimes it happens).

[Cheezits]

We already saw in shadowlands that adding a wide range of customizations for multiple, IS NOT HARD.

Doing this half-asset end up being worse than making what people wanted, so now they have to run for their money to fix it.

The reason they even were able to do customizations for races in Shadowlands was because there was no race or race/class combos to work on. Did you ever think of WHY that was the only expansion where the base races ever got touched on, besides WoD, another expansion with no race or class???

[Teriz]

My dude, you don't know how this class will be, just by the presentation we can even say its going to be lame half-asset that just have 2 specs

You haven't been paying attention to the interviews or the source material for this class. If you had, you would have a better idea of how this class is going to play. They have ariel attacks that utilize the wings. They have abilities from HotS like Wing Buffet that use the wings. They're going to have tail and breath attacks. They're going to have CDs that utilize the scales. These are all abilities that can't be replicated in other classes. So yes you RUIN the concept of the Dracthyr by expanding it beyond the Evoker class; The class that is purposely designed to represent draconic powers and abilities.

It does not even use fire to heal like you wanted to. Youc an't even change to a gnome like Chromie that you used as example, or other visages like the dragons we saw so far.

While it's not using fire to heal, it is using other Alexstraza HotS healing abilities. And while you can't be every race in the book, they're still using visages, just like the dragon aspects.

Allowing other players to play like they want - with other classes or visages - will not remove anything from you, stop being selfish

Again, players who don't want to be Evokers have plenty of other options. They can go there, and leave this concept alone.

Like i said, if you are happy, good for you.

Changing so other people can be happy as well will not ruin your happiness

Except people like you will never be happy. So there's no point in altering great stuff just to meet your criteria for what is or is not good.

unless you are salty about tinkers and this is why you are in this crusade for the new race/class to be bad, so you can point that out later.

Not at all. I've wanted this particular class for a while now, and now that I'm getting it, I don't want it potentially ruined by people who don't understand the purpose behind it.

[Cheezits]

Again, players who don't want to be Evokers have plenty of other options. They can go there, and leave this concept alone.

I wouldn't be so certain. If Ion is saying that something will probably happen on WEEK ONE, and we're talking about the lawyer here, it probably will.

They will take their time to add classes for Dracthyr because they can use lore as an excuse, but it will 99% happen.

[Syegfryed]

The reason they even were able to do customizations for races in Shadowlands was because there was no race or race/class combos to work on.

pfff, are you serious?

tell me how hard they need to work to make a "class combo" when all races already have all the class animations

Worgens and goblins are not monks simple because blizzard don't want to allow it.

Did you ever think of WHY that was the only expansion where the base races ever got touched on, besides WoD, another expansion with no race or class???

then why the fuck the drachtyr evoker is so half-asset?

If they are cutting so much to do this one, why they are not allowing other visages with the customizations? jesus man, blizzard is not a indie company.

[Cheezits]

pfff, are you serious?

tell me how hard they need to work to make a "class combo" when all races already have all the class animations

Druids, Shamans and Paladins all require additional art assets.

then why the fuck the drachtyr evoker is so half-asset?

If they are cutting so much to do this one, why they are not allowing other visages with the customizations? jesus man, blizzard is not a indie company.

Because it was too much work to put scales eyes horns new hair on other races that aren't as popular.

[Teriz]

I wouldn't be so certain. If Ion is saying that something will probably happen on WEEK ONE, and we're talking about the lawyer here, it probably will.

They will take their time to add classes for Dracthyr because they can use lore as an excuse, but it will 99% happen.

I doubt it. He also said that no other class fits the Dracthyr. So he's talking out of both sides of his mouth like the lawyer he is. If the goal was to make Dracthyr other classes, they would be other classes out of the gate.

[Cheezits]

I doubt it. He also said that no other class fits the Dracthyr. So he's talking out of both sides of his mouth like the lawyer he is.

No other class fits the Dracthyr AT LAUNCH.

[Teriz]

No other class fits the Dracthyr AT LAUNCH.

No, he said period, which is why they designed the Evoker class in the first place. Their stated goal was to create a dragon race and a dragon class.

[Syegfryed]

You haven't been paying attention to the interviews or the source material for this class. If you had, you would have a better idea of how this class is going to play.

LMAO, sure, the interviews, im sure they are 100% accurate, not biased and never lied before

I remember they saying how amazing azerite gear was going to be as well.

While it's not using fire to heal, it is using other Alexstraza HotS healing abilities.

So, like i said, half-asset

And while you can't be every race in the book, they're still using visages, just like the dragon aspects.

If you can't use other visages like dragons, the concept to "be dragons" is half-asset and flawed

Again, players who don't want to be Evokers have plenty of other options. They can go there, and leave this concept alone.

That is not how it works, there is no options to be a half-dragon as other classes

Again, your concept will not be taken from you, it will be expanded.

Except people like you will never be happy. So there's no point in altering great stuff just to meet your criteria for what is or is not good.

Bullshit

like i said, i will be happy when i can be a tauren dragon like Ebyssian/ebonhorn, otherwise, the excuse of "dragon concept is flawed.

You are using a slippery sloppy fallacy here

[Lady Atia]

I wonder what their racials are going to be. Maybe the pseudo-dragonriding outside of the Dragon Isles Ion talked about will be one of them.

Since they can only be one class there won't be any classic racials. All their abilities are evoker abilities, and all evoker abilities are dracthyr abilities.

[Syegfryed]

Druids, Shamans and Paladins all require additional art assets.

So, hard to make some totens and a glowing horse, isn't like they do those things every patch.


Besides, what about monks? tell me what it needs to be done to make goblins and worgens monks

Because it was too much work to put scales eyes horns new hair on other races that aren't as popular.

Too much to put a horn and scales in other races he say

Multi-billion dollar company.

[Teriz]

Bullshit

like i said, i will be happy when i can be a tauren dragon like Ebyssian/ebonhorn, otherwise, the excuse of "dragon concept is flawed.

You are using a slippery sloppy fallacy here

Again, I have no problem with expanding Visages to other races. I have a real problem with expanding Dracthyr to other classes.

[therumblings]

Since they can only be one class there won't be any classic racials. All their abilities are evoker abilities, and all evoker abilities are dracthyr abilities.

Where do they say that? Not giving them racials would be boring and then they would have to make racials if they ever give them more classes.

[Teriz]

Where do they say that? Not giving them racials would be boring and then they would have to make racials if they ever give them more classes.

They're not going to make them other classes. That's the point. Keep in mind, they also said they were open to giving Demon Hunters other races too. That was seven years ago.

[Sharby]

People really arguing for less options over more??? So weird to me.



Even if more visages = diluted appearance for all, the whole point of the race is to be in dragonform, and I think having the option to make your mortal form any race is important for the fantasy.


That being said it should be limited to the core races if we want to be fair to the devs.



Also, when you start arguing against/for certain features just because of "popularity" I think that is a very dark path to tread. If the game is doing well they should be able to do non elf/human stuff without being held hostage by cosmetic sales.

[Lady Atia]

Where do they say that? Not giving them racials would be boring and then they would have to make racials if they ever give them more classes.

They won't get more classes down the line - so no, they don't need racials lol. And they also don't need other classes - I'm 100% with Teriz on this one.

[Cheezits]

Also, when you start arguing against/for certain features just because of "popularity" I think that is a very dark path to tread. If the game is doing well they should be able to do non elf/human stuff without being held hostage by cosmetic sales.

It's clearly not doing well. Hence why the race is so limited in the first place and why the race is an OC race designed to attract a new audience instead of a well-established fanfavorite.

If the game was doing well we would have had a world revamp already with housing etc instead of systems revamps only every two years.

[Syegfryed]

People really arguing for less options over more??? So weird to me.



Even if more visages = diluted appearance for all, the whole point of the race is to be in dragonform, and I think having the option to make your mortal form any race is important for the fantasy.


That being said it should be limited to the core races if we want to be fair to the devs.



Also, when you start arguing against/for certain features just because of "popularity" I think that is a very dark path to tread. If the game is doing well they should be able to do non elf/human stuff without being held hostage by cosmetic sales.

100% this

If you look at the aspects and other dragons, their visage form DON'T have those heavy customizations anyway, some horns here and there, but thats it, there is no reason to double down on that, and they should focus on the dragon form, allowing we pick any visage we want.

And yes, i agree with the core races being the options for now, put some dragon eyes and the option to put horns if you want or not, and you its done.