Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Limiting the player is going to happen in any game no matter what.

[Santandame]

The fact that people are actually debating about Dracthyr means they care about what happens to them. Drakonids would've been safe and had less debating/fixing needed, but I doubt they have the potential audience of the Dracthyr.

Debates/whining before Alpha starts is better than mid-level reception throughout without any hangups. Though I doubt they will add classes to Dracthyr until at LEAST a patch, they definitely will add more to their models and/or tweak how visage works.

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Pretty cool interview snippet with Muffinus:

https://gamerant.com/world-of-warcra...tory-factions/

-Stone Drakes, Twilight Dragons and Storm Drakes will appear. Netherwings may also appear
-Dragonspawn and Drakonid culture will be explored
-Emerald Dream origin may be explained

I've just seen the bottom bit.

Based off the interview, I assume the Netherwing, Storm Drakes and Stone Drakes will be enemies for a time. Or perhaps some of the questing is negotiating with those flights.

Dragonspawn and Drakonid culture being explored is great and hopefully means Drakonid's will end up being an Allied Race.

[Teriz]

I would say it is a little disingenuous to say that Shamans, Druids and Mages are menial classes.

As for why they would play as other classes - because why not? As far as we know, they're individuals, not a hive mind. Maybe some Dracthyr have a personality that steers them to want to follow and practice Druidism, or arcane arts.

Maybe some Dracthyr are particularly physical and hot headed and want to pummel and smash things with big weapons as opposed to fighting from afar.

Maybe some Dracthyr picked up a bow and arrow and thought "hmmm, I like this."

TBF, Evoker IS a hero class, so yes in comparison, Druid and Shaman are menial/common classes.

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"All of this could've been avoided if they went with the most boring and unimaginative route possible"

Exactly. Heaven help us if we get something innovative and interesting. Everything doesn’t need to be grounded down to appeal to everyone.

[huth]

This is really taking it way out of context. I am obviously talking about one class one race combo. Just one thing. Is imo just not a great idea. If you not into it, there is literally nothing there for you with either the class or race.

Not really. Your argument is ultimately rather arbitrary. There is no particular reason why Blizzard has to or should do it differently. You just want them to.

The players aren't losing anything by Blizzard doing it this way. They are being their usual insatiable selfs by always demanding more, however.

[Syegfryed]

Without limiting players, there'd be no game. A game is a set of limitations to what you can do.

The idea that limiting players is inherently bad thus makes no sense.

No one is saying limiting players in all stances is inherently bad, people are saying Limiting players in this stance(as well with other player choices for class/race) is bad

What doesn't make sense is using those absurd exagerations trying to scorn the argument

[Santandame]

TBF, Evoker IS a hero class, so yes in comparison, Druid and Shaman are menial/common classes.

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Exactly. Heaven help us if we get something innovative and interesting. Everything doesn’t need to be grounded down to appeal to everyone.

In comparison yes. In comparison, a Warrior is menial to a Mage. That doesn't stop a human from pursuing to be a Warrior over a Mage.

Either way, it doesn't change the point I was making.

[Ersula]

Maybe some Dracthyr picked up a bow and arrow and thought "hmmm, I like this."

If you can breathe nuclear devastation on your enemies you're not, not going to do that.

[Raetary]

Look, not everyone is as excited as you are with the approach.

I have advocated for Drakonids and the expansion of visage forms (aka, expanding the class to other races) quite a few times now, me liking the visuals enough to put them in my sig does not equal being satisfied with Blizzards execution.

[Alanar]

Not really. Your argument is ultimately rather arbitrary. There is no particular reason why Blizzard has to or should do it differently. You just want them to.

The players aren't losing anything by Blizzard doing it this way. They are being their usual insatiable selfs by always demanding more, however.

No it's not, it's just a fair argument that they bring in a new race and a new class. But you find out it's literally the same, one thing. Again, if you are not into it, there is nothing there for you. I am not into dragons and that whole thing, so there is little excitement. Which I hoped it would be with the reveal. I guess unpopular opinion here. but I would be more content if they could have been more classes. Lukcily an interview already stated it wouldn't be weird if they ever took up a axe or staff, but that's just way to late for me, so I just don't care.

Blizzard doesn't exist without the players, feedback like this will happen regardless on the alpha, beta and the it will receive changes, so it's rather silly to say blizzard will not change anything, because players say so. Anyway this was also me voicing my opinion, I don't care enough to hop on alpha and demand changes. It's just not appealing to me, so I just don't play it and focus on classes I do want to play.

I guess you just don't agree with it, which is fine.

[Santandame]

If you can breathe nuclear devastation on your enemies you're not, not going to do that.

If a Human can learn to bring Hellfire down on their enemies why would they choose to train how to roundhouse kick them in the face instead?

[huth]

No it's not, it's just a fair argument that they bring in a new race and a new class. But you find out it's literally the same, one thing. Again, if you are not into it, there is nothing there for you. I am not into dragons and that whole thing, so there is little excitement. Which I hoped it would be with the reveal. I guess unpopular opinion here. but I would be more content if they could have been more classes. Lukcily an interview already stated it wouldn't be weird if they ever took up a axe or staff, but that's just way to late for me, so I just don't care.

I guess you just don't agree with it, which is fine.

No, it's not a fair argument. It's just you wanting more than you're being given.

[Ersula]

the interview talks about Anduin's fate. I wonder what his own journey means. So he's not with Sylvanas "thank God"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ82gxFV...jpg&name=large

Where does it say here he's not traveling with Sylvanas? "Anduin is on his own journey" doesn't literally mean he's traveling through the maw alone. It's a figurative journey. We're still supposed to assume he's helping the Mawsworn leave the maw.

Ion's definition of an "uneasy armistice" is fucked. Three times now the Alliance have been given everything they wanted after a big conflict & they're still like "we're this close to just annihilating you"

[huth]

If a Human can learn to bring Hellfire down on their enemies why would they choose to train how to roundhouse kick them in the face instead?

Not everybody has what it takes to throw around Hellfire. And most warlocks would probably have trouble with the kick.

[Santandame]

Not everybody has what it takes to throw around Hellfire. And most warlocks would probably have trouble with the kick.

Good point.

[Ersula]

If a Human can learn to bring Hellfire down on their enemies why would they choose to train how to roundhouse kick them in the face instead?

Not all Humans can learn how to use magic. Haven't you seen harry potter?

Dragons are not physically suited to carrying weapons. This is known. Even Wrathion's sword "disappears" when he turns into a dragon.

[Nyel]

I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.

They remove one basic feature and turn it into a new feature that's less of the original one - but hey wait, to get better in that, you need to farm and grind stuff.

Peak lazy design.

I don't hate Dragonriding. I think it's a neat idea. But it's the same they did with other features in the past, stripping them away from the players just to hand them back in another fashion as some kind of new feature.

[Ersula]

I don't get why everybody is saying we don't have a borrowed power system. We do have and it's called Dragonriding.

If they use Dragonriding in every subsequent expansion, its not a borrowed power system.

If I'd even call it that: It's more like "Flying but more annoying"

[Alanar]

No, it's not a fair argument. It's just you wanting more than you're being given.

What a weird way to reply.

Just nope, it's rather generic opinion already. People have been saying this since the reveal. There is no choice then to pick this race and this class. We always had more choices when it comes to new race/new class, this is literally the first time they done this, so ye this feels extremely limiting if you are not into it.

[Syegfryed]

If the drachtyr are failed experiments of Neltharion we can safely say some are such weak that they can't be evoker and have to be other classes

We don't even need this kind of bs excuse, but seems like its necessary for some people to "endure" others playing the race with more than one class

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We always had more choices like this, this feels extremely limiting if you are not into it.

God forbid we want more than ONE, choice, like we always had.

Im starting to think those people are trying to bait others

[Raetary]

If a Human can learn to bring Hellfire down on his their enemies why would they choose to train how to roundhouse kick them in the face instead?

You keep comparing apples to oranges.

A Dracthyr is a draconic super-soldier engineered by Neltharion that inherently hold the powers of each dragonflight in them.
'Evoker' is just the description of their inherent power.

A human can't just pick up a spellbook and become a warlock or mage, that requires an interest in an extensive magical scholarship, some intellect and years of studying.
Not everyone can nor wants to become a mage or warlock.

Dracthyr being other classes would require them to not use their inherent dragon powers.
Which makes no damn sense.