Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Hugnomo]

Broke: Dracthyr will never be other classes and other classes will never be Evoker.

Woke: They are going to give the visage forms combat animations for Evoker so that two racial models already have the animations ready for Evoker in the future... and go figure, it's two of the ones that most use Arcane, AKA Evoker powers! (Humans/Belves)

I don't understand the idea of making the humanoid forms playable in combat.
There's spells where they're flying through the air. They're flying around the battlefield. one of them seems like a push with their wings. How would that work?
People should look at it the same as druid forms, but even better because they have even more customization.

[draugril]

Letting people attack with the visage form would be nonsense and would defeat the purpose of making such ridiculous class/race combo in the first place, is like wanting to attack as a feral druid in your normal form.

On that note, Worgen should be able to choose their base form for Bear and Cat forms.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Awakenings!

I was actually thinking about doing a "hypothetical 11.0 revamp expansion" and calling it Awakenings at this point. Unironically.

Base it around a double meaning of "the world is reawakening" and "the world soul is awakening."

[Cheezits]

As far we know the visage form is not a real form, like dragon its not supposed to be suit for combat, rather just to blend with mortals. Same argument can be made for a bear form, they just slap people with their bear arm, why not make a glyph to do in your humanoid form?

The bear argument is a physical attack. If 60% of Evoker is spellcasting without the physical aspects of a dragon, then evokers should be able to do that outside of dragon form: they could just turn into dragon form for those wing/breath/flying attacks and then morph back, which is how other non-Dracthyr classes could do it if they are taught.

Hell, Blizz could make it a draconic outline or something for other races to keep Dracthyr special.

[Super Dickmann]

Are you going to change your signature now?

Way ahead of you.

[Varx]

To seek more power. Necromancers and Warlocks are typically arcane mages who do the same thing.

Not close to being comparable to going from a Dragon down to a common Rogue.

It might seem silly but it's possible.

Again with the LFD example. You got a race that has been made immortal through the light, yet they'd rather be a simple archer or warrior ove a paladin or a priest?

Idk maybe some dracthyr are runts and don't have acute evoker abilities and thus decide to pursue the path of a hunter?

Like a squib in Harry Potter.

Or maybe you have dracthyr who are just humble by nature and want to be a more simple being so they decide to be a warrior.

The options will be possible since they are now members of the world.

[Teriz]

I don't understand the idea of making the humanoid forms playable.
There's spells where they're flying through the air. They're flying around the battlefield. one of them seems like a push with their wings. How would that work?
People should look at it the same as druid forms, but even better because they have even more customization.

Exactly. If the Dracthyr are also taller than other races, that’ll cause problems with armor and weapons as well.

[Cheezits]

There's spells where they're flying through the air. They're flying around the battlefield. one of them seems like a push with their wings. How would that work?

It would work just like the DH spells that temporarily turn you into Demon Form.

I really don't think its a big deal. Let people cast as dragonform or visage form, both will still be dragons when they fight at different times. Adds flavor to the race that some dracthyr like being a dragon and some like being a half-dragon.

[Vakir]

Way ahead of you.

"This deal's getting worse all the time."

The irony is that they have the best odds now because there's no way they can avoid a revamp and possibly housing AGAIN and that would lend to an industrial revolution class.

[Hugnomo]

Exactly. If the Dracthyr are also taller than other races, that’ll cause problems with armor and weapons as well.

I meant to say playable in combat, my brain missed some synapses.
Totally in favor of visage forms outside of combat.

The more I see them, the more I like the Dracthyr and visage forms. Love that the class has all 5 aspect fantasies. Such a rich theme. Plus them having the basic dragonriding (like dh gliding +) is so cool. Can't wait to see play their introduction.
I've seen some edits that are cool, and hope they could add that variety without taking away what they've shown us, until then. But regardless, I'm completely sold on them. I love how unique they are as a race/class combo too.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

"This deal's getting worse all the time."

The irony is that they have the best odds now because there's no way they can avoid a revamp and possibly housing AGAIN and that would lend to an industrial revolution class.

Is it possible?

I do doubt they'd actually add two classes in a row. It's probably one of the reasons we didn't get Chronomancers in WoD despite them seemingly being built up with three specializations. Still, I suppose this does lend a new class to the World Revamp expansion.

[Syegfryed]

On that note, Worgen should be able to choose their base form for Bear and Cat forms.

Personally, not their base form, but a form that is more wolf-ish, or even a real wolf and a big wolf for bear thats for sure, they did for kul'tirans and zandalar some unique forms, they should get their own, including one for travel form.

Werewolf the apocalipse have some wild stages of lycanthopy that are suited for different kinds of fight.

Then, we could have a glyph for normal worgen to attack in their base form, as well to hit people with claws isntead of daggers

But that would cost us like, 4 expansions.

The bear argument is a physical attack. If 60% of Evoker is spellcasting without the physical aspects of a dragon, then evokers should be able to do that outside of dragon form: they could just turn into dragon form for those wing/breath/flying attacks and then morph back, which is how other non-Dracthyr classes could do it if they are taught.

Hell, Blizz could make it a draconic outline or something for other races to keep Dracthyr special.

we don't fully know how they will work yet, but even fi you are just spellcasting, you are receiving attacks, why would you stay in your fragile humanoid form and be wrecked, when you could scale up?

[Cheezits]

we don't fully know how they will work yet, but even fi you are just spellcasting, you are receiving attacks, why would you stay in your fragile humanoid form and be wrecked, when you could scale up?

You can tie that into the visage forms wearing armor at all. Like, why are they even wearing armor to begin with for the ones that are usually in Dragonform?

So if they like spellcasting in visageform they would wear armor to compensate. Also it will let people see their armor in combat... it's just a really good choice IMO. And if you get the option to toggle it you can swap it up whenever you want.

[Vakir]

Is it possible?

I do doubt they'd actually add two classes in a row. It's probably one of the reasons we didn't get Chronomancers in WoD despite them seemingly being built up with three specializations. Still, I suppose this does lend a new class to the World Revamp expansion.

I just mean it would be the best thematic overlap. Getting any class, yeah, would be slim.

... remember when people expected 4 classes plus a bunch of class skins that are equally art intensive? I hope this reveal was a permanent tempering of expectations.

[Hugnomo]

It would work just like the DH spells that temporarily turn you into Demon Form.

I really don't think its a big deal. Let people cast as dragonform or visage form, both will still be dragons when they fight at different times. Adds flavor to the race that some dracthyr like being a dragon and some like being a half-dragon.

So you want humanoid forms to play in combat for a couple of spells? I don't know. I respect your opinion but I just disagree. Demonhunters and their metamorphosis are both combat oriented. Metamorph is just a heightened form. The race is a dragon, just like worgen are worgen. Their humanoid counterparts are flavor. Why would they use underpowered disguises in battle, when their forms are more battle oriented. I don't know. That's how I see it.
They are basically better takes on druid forms and I think that's great.

[Cheezits]

So you want humanoid forms to play in combat for a couple of spells? I don't know. I respect your opinion but I just disagree. Demonhunters and their metamorphosis are both combat oriented. Metamorph is just a heightened form. The race is a dragon, just like worgen are worgen. Their humanoid counterparts are flavor. Why would they use underpowered disguises in battle, when their forms are more battle oriented. I don't know. That's how I see it.

I just don't agree with the idea of a spellcaster being more strong in a certain appearance OTHER than something like the shamans turning into ascendants. Dracthyr isn't some superpowered type thing, they are a race that know a special magic.

I would buy it for a melee class needing to look a certain way, but a wizard is a wizard. Disguises are just disguises. Chromie hasn't needed to shift into her main form to do big wacky things in the past AFAIK.

Yes, they would need to turn into a dragon for the dragony combat things like fire breathing and wing buffet, but aside from that?

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[Syegfryed]

You can tie that into the visage forms wearing armor at all. Like, why are they even wearing armor to begin with for the ones that are usually in Dragonform?

So if they like spellcasting in visageform they would wear armor to compensate. Also it will let people see their armor in combat... it's just a really good choice IMO. And if you get the option to toggle it you can swap it up whenever you want.

Obviously the armor is not enough to fully protect yourself compared to your scales and muscles

otherwise, you could ask to fight in feral form as yourself and say you are using dagger to compensate for the claw attacks.

And so again, this is the problem that come when you try to tie the race with the class and sell then as one, they could have made the class, completely devoid of a dragon form, like a proper dragonsworn, and the humanoid dragon as race, just like pandarens/monks deal, but now the ship as sailed and we are stuck with this.

IF they try to make the visage form do all the stuff this mean they will have to adapt all the animations to then, fixing things like the flying attack, and, it will make even harder for then to give us other races as visages and we will be stuck with the garbage default ones

To me they put themselves into a corner on what to do.

[Cheezits]

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[Padwarle]

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