Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

You can't even be a goblin in Baldur's Gate (3) for the reason I am implying: because it costs money to develop games and the devs did not see it as worth developing.

If you're playing a board game that is 80% a game of pretend? Go ahead and be a whale shark wizard! That's fine, because it didn't require any money or labor to do.

I'm pretty sure you're going to be able to be a goblin in Baldur's Gate 3. They've already been developed: They're already in the game. A huge portion of the NPCs are goblins. BG3 isn't anywhere near done. And the plan appears to be to include all the official published race/subclass options in the latest 5e mega-players-handbook. Which includes Goblins.

[Cheezits]

But video games are not pretend? Then that means.......I'm actually a 7 ft walking/talking cow? Wow if you really bilieve that you might want to seek some kind of professional help

You don't pay any money, or ask your manager to have the development time, to play pretend. You paying for WoW is why you get to roleplay a talking cow in a VIDEOGAME that is a physical object and not just your imagination.

Sitting at a table with your friends and saying "I roll 20 to attack the darkness!" while roleplaying your Gnoll Druid doesn't cost any resources so of course you can do it. The only money you're spending is on the snacks for the party.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Capping those kind of choices is.

And, this is a old concept falling flat those years, D&D is becoming immensely popular and better by giving players more liberty and choices, goblin mage? evil paladin? go for it

The concept of rpg games was built with limiting race choices in from the very beginning, Sure you can say things are better with out that but removing all restrictions is what goes against the concept not sticking to what’s been in it from the start.

[Syegfryed]

You can't even be a goblin in Baldur's Gate (3) for the reason I am implying: because it costs money to develop games and the devs did not see it as worth developing

But the races you can, there is lots of options

and look at that, wow already have goblins, do you think is groundbreaking to allow goblins to be monks? it will cost that much money to make a retexture in their bikes to make a goblin paladin? nah

No combination of Dragons was turned into a chromatic flight before

And? his goal was not "combine something to turn into a chromatic flight" you made a strawman here, his gaol was to mix all the power of the 5 dragonflight, that was never done.

Here is the write up from WoWpedia. It might not be direct lore but I think it covers the point sufficiently. All it says is about creating a Chromatic Dragonflight and not Chromatic things at all.

Are you joking? it literally says his father was not able to combine the power of the dragonflights.

You are trying to make that "deathwing was never able to create a chromatic dragonflight, but he succeed in mixing all the dragonflight"

And that was not the point, in short, its a retcon.

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You don't pay any money, or ask your manager to have the development time, to play pretend. You paying for WoW is why you get to roleplay a talking cow in a VIDEOGAME that is a physical object and not just your imagination.

Sitting at a table with your friends and saying "I roll 20 to attack the darkness!" while roleplaying your Gnoll Druid doesn't cost any resources so of course you can do it. The only money you're spending is on the snacks for the party.

People pay for books with more options every year, you are just exaggerating

[Alexjimithing]

Not being able to create a Chromatic Dragonflight doesn’t mean he wasn’t able to create some bastardized version of a chromatic dragon- I.E Drakthyr.

[Ersula]

Do you have a source for that? Because Nightborne are 7'3". There is no way Blizzard would add a 14'6"+ race to the game when the entire reason they said they didn't add Dragons was because of the impact their size would have during raid fights. It also ignores how the class would have to stack in melee range for some fight encounters. So I'm guessing this is another cause of you making crap up rather then only using actual facts.

briefly stacking in melee is dramatically different than playing a melee class who towers over most of its enemies. This is a third person game, remember.

Not being able to create a Chromatic Dragonflight doesn’t mean he wasn’t able to create some bastardized version of a chromatic dragon- I.E Drakthyr.

That's what they said. Apparently Neltharion didn't actually combine all the dragonflight's genetics: It was the human genetics adaptability that caused the Dracthyr to take on some characteristics of all 5 (6?) flights.

[Hugnomo]

I gotta say, with each day the dracthyr keep growing on me.

[Makabreska]

Are we going to have Syegfryed and Friends vs World till they release the game?

[Alexjimithing]

Speaking of lore I am excited to see the novel for this expansion. Hopefully it’s Golden again, loved the Sylvanas book.

[draugril]

"he simple didn't told then", reads "in fact, he didn't die there"

that is exactly what a retcon is.

It isn’t. If, for example, creating a chromatic dragon would create some kind of magical singularity that would drain all magic from the world, so we adventurers had to stop this from happening, and then it turns out that they already existed without any ill effects: that’s a retcon. There is functional contradiction here.

If Nefarian makes a big deal out of creating a chromatic dragonflight and it turns out his daddy already did it: that’s not a retcon. There’s no functional contradiction here, even if we as players or Nefarian himself never knew of the previous success.

In fact, I would argue that the continuity is stronger now. Nefarian now has an actual motivation, trying to live up to his daddy.

[Syegfryed]

Not being able to create a Chromatic Dragonflight doesn’t mean he wasn’t able to create some bastardized version of a chromatic dragon- I.E Drakthyr.

He was not able to mix then.

And, this isn't a bastardized version, this is a superior and awesome version, they are perfect super soldiers, that he just ditch it out and forgot about then entirely

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It isn’t. If, for example, creating a chromatic dragon would create some kind of magical singularity that would drain all magic from the world, so we adventurers had to stop this from happening, and then it turns out that they already existed without any ill effects: that’s a retcon. There is functional contradiction here.

If Nefarian makes a big deal out of creating a chromatic dragonflight and it turns out his daddy already did it: that’s not a retcon. There’s no functional contradiction here, even if we as players or Nefarian himself never knew of the previous success.

In fact, I would argue that the continuity is stronger now. Nefarian now has an actual motivation, trying to live up to his daddy.

They straight up said that nefarian was obsessed with mixing the dragonflight powers because his father was never able to, he tried with anything not just whelps, like drakonids and drakeadons

Now they are saying his fathe did, mix then, perfectly, and, on top of that, forgot how to do it again.

[Xilurm]

Normal flying doesn't hurt the game. You are just too weak and too hypocritical not to use it. You have neither the resolve nor the principal to use ground mounts and you need external force not to use it. Weak.

You know, the fact that you're so angry on the forums because you can't just "Log in - take quest - mount up - mount down - finish quest - log out" is perhaps a sign that the game is too much of a chore to you and maybe you should just quit?

Who knows, maybe it will be a healthy decision.

[Santandame]

What's the problem?

What the Dracthyr are is essentially a playable version of this;



You're saying that you want to take that, and allow it to be a warrior, shaman, etc. instead of allowing it to use its natural abilities like flight, flame breath, scales, tail, Dragonflight magic, etc.

Making a race/class isn't a problem. The problem as I see it is trying to make a dragon into a standard race like Humans, Orcs, Goblins, etc.




All things considered, I'm willing to bet that people are more excited to get a playable version of the dragon aspects, than a Drakonoid race.

I'd be more excited if that playable version included a tank or melee spec which included iconic dragon abilities like tail sweeps, wing buffets and conal breath attacks.

Blizzard have missed a trick by making it Ranged and Healer only. I want to play a dragon/dracthyr. Healing is a no for me. And I've only ever liked one Ranged spec.

[Kiriastrasza]

Are we going to have Syegfryed and Friends vs World till they release the game?

Probably, I personally wanna see the Dracthyr get more love.

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I'd be more excited if that playable version included a tank or melee spec which included iconic dragon abilities like tail sweeps, wing buffets and conal breath attacks.

Blizzard have missed a trick by making it Ranged and Healer only. I want to play a dragon/dracthyr. Healing is a no for me. And I've only ever liked one Ranged spec.

Every previous new class got a tanking spec, I for one am glad it's not been put forward as a tank this time around.

[KayRule]

Uh, how could a Dracthyr forgo their ability to fly, shoot flame breath, use their wings as weapons, or hit targets with their tail?

Those are Evoker abilities.

I also wish people wouldn't take what Ion said so literally from a single interview. Expanding the Dracthyr to other classes is a direct contradiction of their design of the race.

I'm really getting tired of you constantly immediately trying to create very static and rigid rules about the games design. You insist and impose these arbitrary objective rules and argue them down constantly to everyone, and then as soon as you're made wrong by Blizzard, you just pivot around to adjusting to do it again instead of just accepting the games fantasy, world and design are very fluid.

You're the same person who a week ago was adamant Evoker couldn't be a class and couldn't ever be the name of the class.

[Jekyll]

You know, the fact that you're so angry on the forums because you can't just "Log in - take quest - mount up - mount down - finish quest - log out" is perhaps a sign that the game is too much of a chore to you and maybe you should just quit?

Who knows, maybe it will be a healthy decision.

'm not angry, sweaty. Just because I pointed out the uncomfortable truth, doesn't mean I'm angry. You need to calm down, sweaty.

[Santandame]

Probably, I personally wanna see the Dracthyr get more love.

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Every previous new class got a tanking spec, I for one am glad it's not been put forward as a tank this time around.

That shouldn't be an issue though. More choice is good. Just because other tank classes have been introduced, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be introduced in future.

[Kiriastrasza]

That shouldn't be an issue though. More choice is good. Just because other tank classes have been introduced, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be introduced in future.

More choice is good but I think Tanks have enough hero choices, don't you?

[Teriz]

I'm really getting tired of you constantly immediately trying to create very static and rigid rules about the games design.

They’re Blizzard’s rules, not mine.

You insist and impose these arbitrary objective rules and argue them down constantly to everyone, and then as soon as you're made wrong by Blizzard, you just pivot around to adjusting to do it again instead of just accepting the games fantasy, world and design are very fluid.

You're the same person who a week ago was adamant Evoker couldn't be a class and couldn't ever be the name of the class.

Yeah, a Mage clone with a Chronomancer spec that was going to do to mages what Demon Hunters did to Warlocks. However, that isn’t what happened.

If someone had said the Evoker was prismatic draconic power class tied exclusively to a dragon race and incorporate the draconic abilities of HotS and the five dragonflights, I would have been more on board.

[Xilurm]

That shouldn't be an issue though. More choice is good. Just because other tank classes have been introduced, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be introduced in future.

Not always. Why would you have Night Elf Warlocks and just mess with the lore even more? Or Draenei Warlocks... Might aswell just introduce Eredar instead.