Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Magenugget]

Every playable race they shoehorn into Horde and Alliance and pleases 0.X% of the player base makes the World of Warcraft a little bit dumber. They made up Dracthyr from scratch so whatever but please just keep Ogres and Gnolls as humanoid NPCs. I also don't want playable Troggs, Nagas, Centaurs, Nerubians, Arakkoa, Furbolgs, Mogu, Sauroks, Yetis and Brokers...

[huth]

Every playable race they shoehorn into Horde and Alliance and pleases 0.X% of the player base makes the World of Warcraft a little bit dumber. They made up Dracthyr from scratch so whatever but please just keep Ogres and Gnolls as humanoid NPCs. I also don't want playable Troggs, Nagas, Centaurs, Nerubians, Arakkoa, Furbolgs, Mogu, Sauroks, Yetis and Brokers...

It doesn't hurt you. Frankly, this is kind of a pointless thing to get upset about.

[Nymrohd]

I fail to see how throwing some flashy bits to distract people is less shallow than what we got. The abilities aren't the big point ultimately. The fundamental design and reasoning is.

I disagree. The point of such a design is to a) enable them to bring back multiple abilities & b) make the opportunity cost of choice a lot more flexibly defined. There is very low level talk about what abilities could possibly come back though. That the design allows you to choose is secondary to what it would allow you to choose. If the panel showed three very popular past abilities or passives for three different specs there would be far more discussion on what each spec might get back. In the absence of evidence of what is possible, the design feels too vague. We know e.g. that Convoke will be in but only through an interview. As a prot paladin that instantly got me thinking; does that mean Divine Toll and Ashen Hallow might make it in as well? They talked about Alter Time, could Divine Intervention be somewhere high up in the class tree? There is so much hype to be had there. I think Legion showed that what people care about the most in this game is their classes getting cool stuff. Well this was an opportunity to show us that everyone is getting cool stuff.

[Chickat]

The more I think about the talent system the more excited I get

Thinking about building my spec between ST and aoe instead of the weird amalgamation we currently have is just awesome to think about

Like my WW might be able to do the FoF/clone/ bone dust/ chi explosion build while there’s also the build from 7.3 with strike of the wind lord/ Rising sun kick/ black out.

MW is obviously going to have a fist weaving build

Brewmaster might get a choice between ultra stagger or ultra guard lol

Warriors could get a shield dps build. Think about that.

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I've been calling Murozond a lot the past few days. Gonna disagree on Yrel though.

I see one of the following happening:

- Murozond opens up a portal to an undisclosed timeline. A villain from WoW's past who we haven't encountered, a villain from far off in the future, or an alternate character of well known hero(who is a villain in their timeline) hops through and later brings their army/forces through with them.

- The portal goes to pre-sundering Kalimdor (a nod to the start of the reveal cinematic which starts with the sundering), one of the following characters jumps through to fuck with shit:

Azshara - seeking the true throne of power as referenced in her last appearance. This throne of power being her original empire. We get an Ancient Kalimdor/War of the Ancients expansion with Azshara using what knowledge she has from our timeline, to usurp power from both the Old Gods and Sargeras. Azshara is rightfully and finally the focus of an expansion.

Xal'atath - Goes back to get revenge on the Old Gods who devoured her as well as usurp their armies. We get Black Empire styled expansion set on Ancient Kalimdor.

Wrathion - Becomes increasing despondent during Dragonflight, fears there is no saving the Black Dragonflight. Instead heads back to the War of the Ancients to try and stop the Old Gods from corrupting Deathwing. Believes this is the only way to bring salvation to the Black Dragonflight and prevent their near extinction and descent into madness.

- The portal Murozond opens up can't be closed. Lots of different timelines start to bleed into our timeline, including enemies, allies, locations etc. We get a weird timey-wimey expansion. A combination of ''What If?'' style scenarios and events, and different timelines. We could have a combination of the Troll/Aqir war, an evil Alliance timeline, Black Empire, the Horde never being formed etc.

Either way, Murozond is 100% setting up 11.0.

Someone had a fantastic idea.

Either 11.0 is Ancient Kalimdor, or its a 10.3 like Argus.

If they reuse the Evoker starting zone for the first or second patch, they can spend all patch resources on making a very large Ancient Kalimdor zone kinda like Argus.

We end up coming back, but we came back 5-20 years in the future on accident. 11.0 World revamp. I would love that, but Idk if they want to do 2 Azeroth expansions in a row.

[huth]

I disagree. The point of such a design is to a) enable them to bring back multiple abilities & b) make the opportunity cost of choice a lot more flexibly defined. There is very low level talk about what abilities could possibly come back though. That the design allows you to choose is secondary to what it would allow you to choose.

No, that's exactly my point. The important part is that it enables them to do so. Not what they do it with. What it allows you to choose is at best secondary or even tertiary, which is why they haven't set that part in stone yet.

[Chickat]

They're probably a bit taller with their longer necks.

They cant be much taller or they wont fit through doorways.

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I don't think pre-sundering Kalimdor will be an expansion, but I think Zin'azshari may absolutely be the last PATCH for Dragonflight thanks to shenanigans of Murozond. My prediction is that Xalatath and Azshara are working together to corrupt Noz and make Murozond, and through him get a portal to the Sundering and rewrite time. Note that the second thing we see in the trailer is the Sundering... and BFA, which sets up DF, features Azshara and sunken Zin'azshari.

I'll write a post on this later but I think the endgame here is Xal + Azshara = Murozond = Zin'azshari. Probably will be why Yrel breaks in as well.

Oh that's a fantastic idea.

[Lady Atia]

I've been calling Murozond a lot the past few days. Gonna disagree on Yrel though.

I see one of the following happening:

- Murozond opens up a portal to an undisclosed timeline. A villain from WoW's past who we haven't encountered, a villain from far off in the future, or an alternate character of well known hero(who is a villain in their timeline) hops through and later brings their army/forces through with them.

- The portal goes to pre-sundering Kalimdor (a nod to the start of the reveal cinematic which starts with the sundering), one of the following characters jumps through to fuck with shit:

Azshara - seeking the true throne of power as referenced in her last appearance. This throne of power being her original empire. We get an Ancient Kalimdor/War of the Ancients expansion with Azshara using what knowledge she has from our timeline, to usurp power from both the Old Gods and Sargeras. Azshara is rightfully and finally the focus of an expansion.

Xal'atath - Goes back to get revenge on the Old Gods who devoured her as well as usurp their armies. We get Black Empire styled expansion set on Ancient Kalimdor.

Wrathion - Becomes increasing despondent during Dragonflight, fears there is no saving the Black Dragonflight. Instead heads back to the War of the Ancients to try and stop the Old Gods from corrupting Deathwing. Believes this is the only way to bring salvation to the Black Dragonflight and prevent their near extinction and descent into madness.

- The portal Murozond opens up can't be closed. Lots of different timelines start to bleed into our timeline, including enemies, allies, locations etc. We get a weird timey-wimey expansion. A combination of ''What If?'' style scenarios and events, and different timelines. We could have a combination of the Troll/Aqir war, an evil Alliance timeline, Black Empire, the Horde never being formed etc.

Either way, Murozond is 100% setting up 11.0.

I would love to get atleast a patch that's basically based on Marvel's Battleworld / Latverion - lots of different timelines merged together and we have to escape from there. Maybe with some multiverse incursions happening in the patch before that, similiar to legion/naga invasions?

[Chickat]

They would. Because they did. The problems you listed won't affect Dracthry because they can't be in their taller form out of combat. It's not a toggle like Worgen.

Thats false. The site clearly says you can freely switch.

[Alanar]

It seems more and more likely that the whisper of the crown of light will bring only darkness is about Turalyon.

Anduin staying in the shadowlands and him stepping down. Turalyon will have full controll. Wowhead talks abit about it.

I wonder how a certain some one will react when it happends.

[huth]

Thats false. The site clearly says you can freely switch.

The funny part is the Worgen mention. At least one interview states that it works exactly the same.

[Alanar]

They cant be much taller or they wont fit through doorways.

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Oh that's a fantastic idea.

It is a cool idea! Never though about this.

[Makabreska]

I didn't mean Nozdormu. I mean Murozond.

Go run End Time. We killed him there.

Meaning we can't kill him in Dragonflight in a big fancy cutscene, he has to survive so we can kill him there.

I smell a "change of fate" there with him in that regard.

[Raetary]

They would. Because they did. The problems you listed won't affect Dracthry because they can't be in their taller form out of combat. It's not a toggle like Worgen.

We literally see them out of combat in the deep dive previews...

The form works exactly like Worgen form, you can freely switch outside of combat but automatically activate dragon mode when you attack something.

[Izalla]

While I get your point, the Doomplate was worn by Thrall for some time so I think it owuld be cool to be able to wear it as a shaman together with the Doomhammer - maybe together with his shaman robes similiar to the WoD version? A Tauren armour would be cool too, but I think neither Baine nor Cairne are seen as Shamans? Other than that, maybe Voljin's armour?

Baine and Cairne aren't the only known Tauren, I'm sure we could find someone who isn't Magatha to steal the clothes off of. Or better yet, give Magatha a nice new set, kill her, then take it off her

[Syegfryed]

Every playable race they shoehorn into Horde and Alliance and pleases 0.X% of the player base makes the World of Warcraft a little bit dumber. They made up Dracthyr from scratch so whatever but please just keep Ogres and Gnolls as humanoid NPCs. I also don't want playable Troggs, Nagas, Centaurs, Nerubians, Arakkoa, Furbolgs, Mogu, Sauroks, Yetis and Brokers...

Ogres would please most of the horde playerbase.

A specific race that was cut off the world for 10 000 years, that's kind of the premise of the expansion

A specific race that was cut off the world for 10.000 sure knew how blood elves look like

[Grimbold21]

The real question that should be debated is: if they are making a grizzly Hills style zone, will they be able to produce a tune better than that zone's ost?

[Hitei]

The real question that should be debated is: if they are making a grizzly Hills style zone, will they be able to produce a tune better than that zone's ost?

Unpopular opinion, but Storm Peaks is honestly better.

[Grimbold21]

Unpopular opinion, but Storm Peaks is honestly better.

It doesn't even ring a bell, whereas GH is a memorable one.

[Makabreska]

The real question that should be debated is: if they are making a grizzly Hills style zone, will they be able to produce a tune better than that zone's ost?

That reminds me, I haven't played with WoW music on since MoP...

[Grimbold21]

That reminds me, I haven't played with WoW music on since MoP...

You just really need a set of your favourite tunes on your phone.