Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[micwini]

Well, the aspects are already here ... Why would the sky be red/blue/green ?



And why does the see suddenly turn to blue ?

My speculation is that the rebirth of the new night elf tree triggers this. Same type of blue from Ardenweald and you see some flowers on the ground glowing in the next scene when the stone man starts walking.

[Chickat]

Considering Azerite is mostly golden, its far more likely this is just a bioluminescent beach ala Maldives.

I hope that is surrounding the waters in game. Would make the beaches of the Dragon Isles much more beautiful.

[Lady Atia]

It still could be slow if the players decided their pace. Imagine a gearing system, where subsequent updates get more and more expensive. Over-exponentially. Really, that would be enough to make players play longer rather than a renown system which artificially limits every effort. The renown systems biggest flaw is the fact that the only effort it really implements is idle time for weeks..

And really, i cannot believe it is in blizzards interest to lose players until expacs end so they could get all the content intended for them on a few days playtime. The solution for this problem are no artificial delays, but effort and the freedom for players to chose their own pace. That are the systems that work, and even if players run out of content in a new expac, they still could play alts, while an effort based system also would be way more alt friendly.

In the old days, players simply played the world content as much they could just to level another alt then. That should return. And those renown systems are a way too large brickwall for players to ever play another character again, as seen in Shadowlands.

And people who play raids and mytic+ will simply continue to raidlog and to dungeonlog. Same goes for Arena and RBG players. So they would not even be affected.

Horrible idea - I rather get upgrades at the same intervall while having to wait a week instead of spending more and more gold/anima/valor just to increase their values. And Renown in 9.2 is fine already. Dragonflight renowns won't have any player power either besides world quest gear so it's the perfect evolution of the covenant system.

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And yes, I would rather / also like a seasonal battlepass using the renown system on top, but I guess you can't have anything, right?

[Makabreska]

It still could be slow if the players decided their pace. Imagine a gearing system, where subsequent updates get more and more expensive. Over-exponentially. Really, that would be enough to make players play longer rather than a renown system which artificially limits every effort. The renown systems biggest flaw is the fact that the only effort it really implements is idle time for weeks.

Subsequent gear upgrades are less and less useful. You get the biggest power boost in first weeks of patch when you acquire tier sets, trinkets and high ilvl gear. After that ilvl increase quickly slows down. So you want players to "pay" more and more for gear that gives them less and less power. How this will make players play longer?

[Varodoc]

Alleria and Turalyon are not beloved characters. The vast majority of WoW players never played WC2. The only people who would actually be familiar with their characters would be those who bought the earliest Warcraft novels. The only reason why their names kept being brought up was because "Alleria and Turalyon are missing" was a loading screen blurb for years. If it wasn't for that blurb, no one would care. And if you polled people about how their favorite Alliance characters are, you would see Varian, Anduin, Jaina, Genn rank at the top, followed by Velen, Malfurion, Tyrande, and Muradin. And then maybe Alleria and Turalyon in the third wave, nowhere near the top.

You're wrong, the statistics prove you wrong.

Alleria is in the Top characters in WOW Fanfiction, despite being the most "recent" character in that poll, since she was reintroduced in Legion and has had very little screentime since then. But she still appears in the same poll as Varian, Anduin, Jaina, Garrosh, and Sylvanas, who are absolute main characters of WoW.






If a given character is popular in fanfictions of a given fandom, then that means that the fandom likes the character and the character is popular, otherwise they wouldn't make so many fanfics about them.

Now if Alleria, with the total of 10 minutes of screentime across 3 expansions that she has, was able to appear in this list of the absolute most popular WOW characters in Fanfics, the characters who have the most fanfics, what does this tell you about Alleria's popularity?

To put this in perspective, the likes of Tyrande, Malfurion, Baine, and Velen, who have regularly been featured for many years, and have so much more screentime than Alleria, didn't make it to the list.

The numbers have spoken and the numbers never lie.

[Das Thora]

You're wrong, the statistics prove you wrong.

Alleria is in the Top characters in WOW Fanfiction, despite being the most "recent" character in that poll, since she was reintroduced in Legion and has had very little screentime since then. But she still appears in the same poll as Varian, Anduin, Jaina, Garrosh, and Sylvanas, who are absolute main characters of WoW.






If a given character is popular in fanfictions of a given fandom, then that means that the fandom likes the character and the character is popular, otherwise they wouldn't make so many fanfics about them.

Now if Alleria, with the total of 10 minutes of screentime across 3 expansions that she has, was able to appear in this list of the absolute most popular WOW characters in Fanfics, the characters who have the most fanfics, what does this tell you about Alleria's popularity?

The numbers have spoken and the numbers never lie.

Damn I had no idea Alleria was so unpopular.

[ArenaDk]

You're wrong, the statistics prove you wrong.

Alleria is in the Top characters in WOW Fanfiction, despite being the most "recent" character in that poll, since she was reintroduced in Legion and has had very little screentime since then. But she still appears in the same poll as Varian, Anduin, Jaina, Garrosh, and Sylvanas, who are absolute main characters of WoW.






If a given character is popular in fanfictions of a given fandom, then that means that the fandom likes the character and the character is popular, otherwise they wouldn't make so many fanfics about them.

Now if Alleria, with the total of 10 minutes of screentime across 3 expansions that she has, was able to appear in this list of the absolute most popular WOW characters in Fanfics, the characters who have the most fanfics, what does this tell you about Alleria's popularity?

The numbers have spoken and the numbers never lie.

For a character who appeared as main character in a lot of books and that in the early days of wow, its actually quite low

[Das Thora]

For a character who appeared as main character in a lot of books and that in the early days of wow, its actually quite low

Somehow Flynn, a random quest giver from 2018, has more fanfiction about him. Looking at this, Blizzard will probably never use Alleria again since she's so unpopular.

[Makabreska]

Welp, he presents a chart where Val is second lowest after saying this:

Blizzard will not kill Alleria and Turalyon, they are too popular, iconic, and beloved amongst the Alliance playerbase.

Actually they can kill Turalyon, I don't really care about the Lightforged.

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Somehow Flynn, a random quest giver from 2018, has more fanfiction about him. Looking at this, Blizzard will probably never use Alleria again since she's so unpopular.

Hardly a random quest giver. He simply had more character and was more likeable than Valeria will ever be.

[Teriz]

With Wrathion being that high, I'm not surprised they made a class based on him.

[Nymrohd]

Welp, he presents a chart where Val is second lowest after saying this.

I still cannot tell if this is serious or a flamebaiting troll.

[Varodoc]

For a character who appeared as main character in a lot of books and that in the early days of wow, its actually quite low

How many people read novels back in the early days of WoW? I'm going to say, fewer than today, and today most people don't know how Garrosh escaped to AU Draenor or what happened in Stromgarde pre-BfA.

Furthermore, can you tell me why Tyrande is not in the poll?

A character who has been the absolute star of the Night elves since Classic, a main hero of the Alliance, regularly featured for many expansions and in many novels, and yet she doesn't have enough fanfics to warrant a spot in that list? Why?

Alleria is more popular than you realized, but we know that simply from the sheer numbers of Void elf players.

[Das Thora]

How many people read novels back in the early days of WoW? I'm going to say, fewer than today, and today most people don't know how Garrosh escaped to AU Draenor or what happened in Stromgarde pre-BfA.

Furthermore, can you tell me why Tyrande is not in the poll?

A character who has been the absolute star of the Night elves since Classic, a main hero of the Alliance, regularly featured for many expansions and in many novels, and yet she doesn't have enough fanfics to warrant a spot in that list? Why?

Alleria is more popular than you realized, but we know that simply from the sheer numbers of Void elf players.

If Alleria is so popular and important, then why do you have to come here every day and remind us several times per day how important and popular she is?

[Makabreska]

I still cannot tell if this is serious or a flamebaiting troll.

Eh, it's the latter. He randomly jumps in, saying how Void and his waifu will defo be a major player in the future (constantly moving goalposts, now apparently they will defo show in 11.0 to "celebrate" 10th expansion). It's really obvious when he sometimes starts putting "void" in bold in his posts.

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That's Ysera not Merithra 10000 years ago

Wut? That part was not 10k years ago, it's current. You got big "now" text in the cinematic.

[Ilir]

The right things to do:
- Get rid of renown, except for story progression probably
- Implement back valor as a currency to buy both gear and upgrades, while you get valor points from world quests and matchmade dungeons. The honor system worked well, this would be an adaption to pve.
- Add a solo queue for mythic+
- Make time runs in mythic+ optional (probably only available outside of the solo queue)

Time run for m+ is optional already. You can complete it out of time and still get the credit.

SoloQ for m+ is pointless.

[Varodoc]

With Wrathion being that high, I'm not surprised they made a class based on him.

And it's also not a surprise that they made an entire allied race based on Alleria.

Meanwhile, Sylvanas fans are still waiting for that Dark Ranger allied race. Who knows if it will ever come?

But is it not strange? Can you explain why Sylvanas, despite being so "popular", still doesn't have an allied race centred around her? How curious.

[Ilir]

Eh, it's the latter. He randomly jumps in, saying how Void and his waifu will defo be a major player in the future (constantly moving goalposts, now apparently they will defo show in 11.0 to "celebrate" 10th expansion). It's really obvious when he sometimes starts putting "void" in bold in his posts.

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Wut? That part was not 10k years ago, it's current. You got big "now" text in the cinematic.

Oh yeah, my bad lmao

[Kiria]

Somehow Flynn, a random quest giver from 2018, has more fanfiction about him. Looking at this, Blizzard will probably never use Alleria again since she's so unpopular.

Flynn is an amazing character, I still chuckle when doing his quests, he has such charm.. and Wrathion is just a pure hottie RAWR!

[Dracullus]

I still cannot tell if this is serious or a flamebaiting troll.

That's the beauty of wow community, you can see most deranged shit ever and STILL couldn't tell if it's serious or troll.

But enough is enough, I don't think we survive another year of constant light/void and tinker discussion when we know what expac is about, mods need to treat it same as WoW vs FF posts.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Back from my slumber! And a little more excited for Dragonflight now, it looks promising!

@Fahrad Wagner (or any other regular from previous threads) do you remember the quote "the dryer the leaks..." i cant seem to find it in my bookmarks

The dryer the leak season, the better the Blizzcon my child that's what you were looking for hehe!