Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[huth]

No, it would not be the same gameplay, as mythic+ for a solo queue also would not be the same gameplay. A premade group in pvp has a way higher choreographed skillset similiar to a pve setting. Yet, it could exist for both, as matchmade pve just had to rely on personal acccountability instead of "everyone-jump-now"-settings.

What are you even arguing now? And you will still have "everyone jump now". FFXIV still has the choreography as well.

[rhorle]

And LFR could be even more harder today, if it just was with dedicated mechanics for matchmade groups. Probably blizzard should get a lesson from Square Enix how to do it right.

Again. It can be harder but the player base doesn't want it to be. When it is to hard they complain and it takes way to long to do. Blizzard doesn't need any lessons to do LFR right. You are trying to change every system into what you want instead of you just taking the initiative to do content higher then LFR.

[Nightshade711]

I don't know - pvp defo needs solo queues because getting into rated pvp is quite hard since many have toxic requirements, you search an eternity to get a group full and it usually disbands within a few games - this is not the case for M+. You can easily get into it, it only takes a few minutes to search for people and a dungeon takes 30-50 minutes max. And you can easily push without a guild/group.

I’m glad they’re bringing in solo queue, especially since it has a separate rating.

I only wish they’d have solo queue RBGs with their own separate rating too, but BGs seem to go under appreciated.

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Again. It can be harder but the player base doesn't want it to be. When it is to hard they complain and it takes way to long to do. Blizzard doesn't need any lessons to do LFR right. You are trying to change every system into what you want instead of you just taking the initiative to do content higher then LFR.

Throwback to LFR KJ.

[rhorle]

Source please. And again, you talk about a general "harder" experience while i talk about a completely different approach to design. Do not ignore the core part of my statement.

Why do you think it has become easier over the years? You yourself said it could be harder yet now you state you meant something entirely else. Stop moving the goal posts because the argument you make is countered. I can't ignore the core part of your statement if you don't actually make it.

[Nightshade711]

With the new zone looking a bit like Azshara this xpac would be the perfect time to bring in Azshara Crater, but obviously in this new zone instead of Azshara.

[Lady Atia]

I’m glad they’re bringing in solo queue, especially since it has a separate rating.

I only wish they’d have solo queue RBGs with their own separate rating too, but BGs seem to go under appreciated.

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Throwback to LFR KJ.

Same! I'm looking forward to farm the vicious mounts using the solo queue and I would love RBG's to become more similiar to classic again. Let me queue and have some fun without the whole "find a group that will disband anyways" aspect.

[Nebron]

Well, the aspects are already here ... Why would the sky be red/blue/green ?



And why does the see suddenly turn to blue ?

It has never been stated that presence of Aspects/dragoflight leaders cause the radiation of light in a corresponding color to be honest.
And in general, don't won't to kill the fun of speculation, but I really think it's just the random choice of aesthetics. Earth went with lava, flowers blossoms, and so the water turned a little bit blue to indicate that AZeroth is waking up.

[Syegfryed]

I also liked it, although I prefer the endless mode aswell as the gauntlet from 9.2.

They should have added lots of mounts, pets and transmog to Torghast, similiar to Island Expedition instead of the annoying legendary mats. I'm so glad Dragonflight is going away from these "systems".

I dunno what is the gauntlet mode cause i left in 9.1.

But with the exception of some BS aflics(i think it whats called, the negative things?) i though it was a fun mode, i love solo-playing, and, it was one of the few places who didn't lag hell.

If it had a lot of collectibles, mounts, mogs, pets it would be paradise, imagine random drops or buying if you had a lot of ashes. The Maw had a low of cool mogs with NPCs that i don't even know if it was available to us later.

They could also deliver old mounts/mogs that are not avaiable anymore, with the excuse of "old enemies souls are trapped in the places where you pass. shit, i would live there.

[Makabreska]

And LFR could be even more harder today, if it just was with dedicated mechanics for matchmade groups. Probably blizzard should get a lesson from Square Enix how to do it right.

Your arguments are nonsensical. LFR is targeted towards uncoordinated groups with little skill and prep, that was always it's target audience and w/e difficulty jumps we had in the past was due to improper tuning. Harder versions of LFR with dedicated mechanics are LITERALLY Normal and Heroic raid modes.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It has never been stated that presence of Aspects/dragoflight leaders cause the radiation of light in a corresponding color to be honest.
And in general, don't won't to kill the fun of speculation, but I really think it's just the random choice of aesthetics. Earth went with lava, flowers blossoms, and so the water turned a little bit blue to indicate that AZeroth is waking up.

It also hasn't been stated that Azeroth is waking up, thats speculation to.

[rhorle]

I am talking about a design based on personal accountability rather than a design based on choreography

People that do LFR are not interested in personal accountability. That is why you have those who do super low dps but don't care because they can get a reward based on the performance of others. Also it is amusing that you complain about generalized statements when that is all you keep doing. Harder yet it doesn't mean actually harder but something else. Accountability that is ambigous and really just used as a scape goat to pin all your problems onto with out actually making an argument.

If Final Fantasy has good designers compared to WoW then why aren't you playing that game? Why change WoW into the game you require when another game already does what you want?

[Makabreska]

It has not become easier over the years. Nowadays LFR is way more difficult than Cataclysm LFR, simply because of inflated mechanics

Not sure where you see that. Did Rygelon LFR yesterday. Six palyers were 3-4k DPS with 5% buff and you didn't even have to stand in the circle for massive bang nor clear the debuff there.

[Syegfryed]

It would also be rly shitty from the aspect to see stone guy getting fucked to fix the thingy and don't help

If they were there

[Alexjimithing]

Who is LFR in FFXIV targeted at? Also at uncoordinated groups. Yet it manages to engage players in challenges, which are simply based on another gameplay than the choreographed bad copy we have in WoW.

The entry level LFR in XIV is literally no harder than LFR in WoW.

Like I do both, regularly, as current content because I don't have the time nor the patience to do normal and up.

You can faceroll both while watching Netflix. Hell if anything XIV feels 'easier' because of consistent battle rez.

[Makabreska]

Those general statements do not make you sound reasonable. You have no idea what the players are interested in.

And you do? Most of your arguments come from some supposed deeper understanding of the player base. But this is simply a fallacy. You do not work at Blizz, you do not have access to their surveys and statistics. All you have are forums, Reddit, Youtbue and in-game friends, same with us.

[Ersula]

Well, the aspects are already here ... Why would the sky be red/blue/green ?

And why does the see suddenly turn to blue ?

Based on the voice over Alexstrasza said they would signal to the Watchers to open the beacon: We can assume that is the signal.

[rhorle]

They do super low dps because they do not have to do high dps to be successfull. As they also do not have to run out of the ooze, as one healer is enough. If nothing kills you, no need to evade. If nothing ever enrages, no need to do high DPS.

Right. Because LFR is easy. Yet it is still possible to wipe. The people that do low dps choose to do so and it isn't because you can be healed without having to move out of stuff. That would just cause your dps to go up because when you can stand still you should be doing more DPS. When was the last time you actually played if you think movement doesn't hurt dps?

Personal accountability would change that rather than watering down to oblivion.

How? You keep making general statements with out actually explaining how it will help change things. I don't think you even know what can be done to fix the problem so you just keep complaining about accountability.

[Alexjimithing]

Yet it is a different gameplay attitude than what we have in WoW. While FFXIVs matchmade gameplay is way more focused on choreography, as that is how Blizzard designs raids, FFXIV is more about personal failure.

And that is my point.

It isn't a different gameplay attitude.

Personal failure is far LESS important in XIV because of battle rez. It is very difficult for one person to completely wipe a raid in XIV. If anything XIV is 'more focused on choreography' because battle rez can demand 'more' in moment to moment movement- if someone fucks up it doesn't really matter because they can be rezzed.

Your point doesn't seem to be based in how XIV actually plays, at least based on all the entry level raids from ARR to Endwalker.

[Lahis]

You're wrong, the statistics prove you wrong.

Alleria is in the Top characters in WOW Fanfiction, despite being the most "recent" character in that poll, since she was reintroduced in Legion and has had very little screentime since then. But she still appears in the same poll as Varian, Anduin, Jaina, Garrosh, and Sylvanas, who are absolute main characters of WoW.






If a given character is popular in fanfictions of a given fandom, then that means that the fandom likes the character and the character is popular, otherwise they wouldn't make so many fanfics about them.

Now if Alleria, with the total of 10 minutes of screentime across 3 expansions that she has, was able to appear in this list of the absolute most popular WOW characters in Fanfics, the characters who have the most fanfics, what does this tell you about Alleria's popularity?

To put this in perspective, the likes of Tyrande, Malfurion, Baine, and Velen, who have regularly been featured for many years, and have so much more screentime than Alleria, didn't make it to the list.

The numbers have spoken and the numbers never lie.

You should have been awake in school when they taught you to read charts. Alleria is on the second to last place there.

[huth]

Right. Because LFR is easy. Yet it is still possible to wipe. The people that do low dps choose to do so and it isn't because you can be healed without having to move out of stuff. That would just cause your dps to go up because when you can stand still you should be doing more DPS. When was the last time you actually played if you think movement doesn't hurt dps?

Frankly, i don't think cantrip has played WoW in years at this point. Most of the claims are complete bull. And it doesn't sound like he's actually playing FFXIV, either.