Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Xilurm]

For most ppl here it’s maybe a good advice to read the Galakrond/Apsects novell

https://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraf...009036&sr=8-16

I wish there was a collection of all the past novels or something.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I wish there was a collection of all the past novels or something.

It would've been so nice to have all of the novels integrated in some way through the game or through some form of Blizzard Library.

Obviously I usually just buy Ebooks but when certain books don't have a ebook version yet (Looking at you Grimoire) it does suck.

[Nightshade711]

I mean Dungeon/Raid entrance sounds likely. Especially with the whole Murozond theory.

Yeah it's 100% gotta be a raid entrance, especially if Murozond is the big bad. (Or at least a raid boss)

[rainhard]

Yeah it's 100% gotta be a raid entrance, especially if Murozond is the big bad. (Or at least a raid boss)

Think it probably is a raid entrance too especially if that upper part of the tower is infinite touched, will confirm wether or not it is in beta i guess.

[huth]

Think it probably is a raid entrance too especially if that upper part of the tower is infinite touched, will confirm wether or not it is in beta i guess.

Completely wrong colours for that. Infinite is black/white, not blue.

[rainhard]

Completely wrong colours for that. Infinite is black/white, not blue.

Isn't the infinite timereaver kinda blueish though? could be a new art direction, perhaps with both colors since the bottom of the building has less blue.

[huth]

Isn't the infinite timereaver kinda blueish though? could be a new art direction, perhaps with both colors since the bottom of the building has less blue.

Nah, the colour is way off. Our last Infinite was in Tazavesh, as well.

[rhorle]

This thing. It's significantly different from the architecture of the previewed zones, nor is it part of Tyrhold.

That is from the portion of the video talking about Thaldraszus so it is a bit silly to call it an unannouced zone when Blizzard labeled what zones they were talking about. That is likely a shot of the Bronze HQ and sand surrounds it as it is simply there "thing". Just like the Bronze Dragonshrine in Dragonblight.

Just like the shot from the press kit of the Ruby Life shrine in Waking Shores that has red trees. Similar to the shrine in Dragonblight.

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Considering I advocate for copying due to the resource issue on the company side. Yes, I would like more product even if it is copying just like they did with TBC when they used the same tileset for several dungeon wings.

Why is it less product when it is the same amount with a lower total zone count? Again the number of zones does not reflect the amount product you get. We get objectively more product then in TBC because of Blizzard not copying and pasting as much. Which shows just how flawed your stance is.

[Ersula]

Think it probably is a raid entrance too especially if that upper part of the tower is infinite touched, will confirm wether or not it is in beta i guess.

I just got the bad feeling that that big ornate bronze door is just Dragonflight's great vault.

[Nymrohd]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

By all means, I do enjoy people who haven't even seen the zones arguing from that position of the scale of them for the Marketing Department as if anything trustworthy can be ascertained from this expansion so far. (Hint: 3 Major Patches doko?)

It's really not going to be 4 zones though. It's 4 zones that combined are larger than Northrend which suggests every single one of them is as large as two zones. And by design, every one of them will effectively be at least two zones since there is a leveling path and then a max level path (with possibly even more subzones higher up and locked behind Dragonriding progression). So yes, there are 4 zone names and chat channels but when it comes to content, it's at least double that.

If you look at zone design these days, they are doing more and more storytelling at endgame and reserving space for it in the map. Much of the Shadowlands zones' area was reserved for the Covenant campaigns and not touched by the leveling path or the sidequests. This hasn't happened to a similar extent before; BfA used the entire zones between leveling and side quests; it also had an overwhelming amount of sidequests (just look at Stormsong Valley were the main quest uses less than a third of the area and all the rest is used in side quests). Legion had an endgame zone; the rest were also fully used with side quests. WoD is an anomaly with the heavy sandbox element

Given we know that Dragonriding is meant to both enable and thus GATE exploration, the subzones of the Dragon Isles will be explored at very different points in time. We will be accessing areas for the first time months after release (though I am sure many of us will get creative between dragonriding, toys and class abilities and find ways to get in areas we are not supposed to be in just yet).

[Pyrophax]

Still I think that timeskip is possible after DF.
If Murozond final boss - there can be his doing. And after DF - world rewamp and time skip.
But this time we have more dragon stuff sorted, power to dragons returned. And more draconic presence in new world. "Living world", if i remember that new trademark

[Nymrohd]

Still I think that timeskip is possible after DF.
If Murozond final boss - there can be his doing. And after DF - world rewamp and time skip.
But this time we have more dragon stuff sorted, power to dragons returned. And more draconic presence in new world. "Living world", if i remember that new trademark

Everything is possible after DF. We don't really know the plot at all.

[Lady Atia]

Everything is possible after DF. We don't really know the plot at all.

But DF was 1000% obvious? They usually tease stuff 2 expansions in advance, so it's prolly light/void next expansion. For Azeroth - they can either make Tel'Abim, Balor, Undermine (I know who would like that haha) or a revamp. "New" continents like Dragon Isles should atleast be teased this Expansion or we have another Jailor situation at hand.

[Nymrohd]

But DF was 1000% obvious? They usually tease stuff 2 expansions in advance, so it's prolly light/void next expansion. For Azeroth - they can either make Tel'Abim, Balor, Undermine (I know who would like that haha) or a revamp. "New" continents like Dragon Isles should atleast be teased this Expansion or we have another Jailor situation at hand.

Lei Shen is one of the best villains of WoW. He was not teased in any way before we landed in Pandaria. The issue with Zovaal was not that he was not established in lore ahead of time, it was that his screen time during Shadowlands was poorly used to no effect.

[Revamp Man]

so Envoker wasnt seen as tanky but the possibility of a melee spec exists....yes please give me melee then i will play it

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But DF was 1000% obvious? They usually tease stuff 2 expansions in advance, so it's prolly light/void next expansion. For Azeroth - they can either make Tel'Abim, Balor, Undermine (I know who would like that haha) or a revamp. "New" continents like Dragon Isles should atleast be teased this Expansion or we have another Jailor situation at hand.

so deathwing was hinted at in TBC??

as for things being teased we did get a bunch of storylines teased in bfa

[Lady Atia]

Lei Shen is one of the best villains of WoW. He was not teased in any way before we landed in Pandaria. The issue with Zovaal was not that he was not established in lore ahead of time, it was that his screen time during Shadowlands was poorly used to no effect.

To be fair - yes Lei Shen was cool, but that was mostly a by-product of Throne of Thunder having both an awesome trailer and being a great raid. Most of his lore he only got with Chronicles fleshed out, and it was that what really made him one of the best villains of WoW in hindsight. I'm sure if they would release a Chronicles Volume 4 that really establishes good Shadowlands lore everyone would suddenly like Zooval a lot more.

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so Envoker wasnt seen as tanky but the possibility of a melee spec exists....yes please give me melee then i will play it

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so deathwing was hinted at in TBC??

as for things being teased we did get a bunch of storylines teased in bfa

Yes he was, alongside Sintharia.

In a brief dialogue with Overlord Mor'ghor, Lady Sinestra (Sintharia) revealed that Deathwing survived the events of the Battle of Grim Batol, and seeks the Netherwing eggs to continue Nefarian's experiments.

[JDBlou]

But DF was 1000% obvious? They usually tease stuff 2 expansions in advance, so it's prolly light/void next expansion. For Azeroth - they can either make Tel'Abim, Balor, Undermine (I know who would like that haha) or a revamp. "New" continents like Dragon Isles should atleast be teased this Expansion or we have another Jailor situation at hand.

I'd love if they make Tel'abim at some point in the future, we get some architecture inspired by real world locations we've yet to see in WoW. Like Persian, or Mesopotamian.
Titanic Watchers who look the way Gilgamesh is depicted in statues seems like an easy pick. Hell, make a new distant Dwarven tribe and let me put a Mesopotamian beard on my Dwarf. Meet the people who inspired Wrathion's human form, because despite the expanded customisation options from SL, you really can't make a Middle Eastern looking Human in the game.
A new mythology to be inspired by can also give us some cool new Wild Gods/Loa. Maybe we could meet the Wild God that gave rise to the Hozen?

[Nymrohd]

To be fair - yes Lei Shen was cool, but that was mostly a by-product of Throne of Thunder having both an awesome trailer and being a great raid. Most of his lore he only got with Chronicles fleshed out, and it was that what really made him one of the best villains of WoW in hindsight. I'm sure if they would release a Chronicles Volume 4 that really establishes good Shadowlands lore everyone would suddenly like Zooval a lot more.

You don't need more to make a villain good. We are not asking them to write prize winning fiction. Just to get a villain who is easy to hate, has clear motives, is thematically cool and is tied with decent content.

[Fiercelord]

I wonder if Dragonflight will have hints about other stuff happening on Azeroth for 11.0. I don't think Shadowlands had any for DF except Ysera's presence, but it meant nothing. There were hints about it in BfA. If Shadowlands has hints, then it would be the Void attack in Bastion and Light/Naaru presence in Revendreth.

While many people prefer stuff on Azeroth, I would personally like to visit K'aresh - presumably destroyed homeworld of the Ethereals. Knowing Blizzard, they can always make uncorrupted parts like they did on Argus. Ethereals are such a cool looking race that people have been asking for years among Ogres, Arakkoa and others. The only issue is that I'm not sure what major feature would come after Dragonflight's new race and class. Shadowlands' feature was old race customization. Don't think another class would be on the developers' list (Altough Ethereals would be nice Tinkers - I am not fan of them anyway). Would be perfect to introduce a proper race added to Alliance (recruited by Void Elves) while a long requested Horde race such as Ogres would be nice for Horde. I hope we get hints about 11.0 in Dragonflight. We still don't know what's happening with Xal'atath and Azshara. Some people have a theory that maybe they will make Xalatath the one who tricks Nozdormu into changing to Infinite aspect.

[Lady Atia]

You don't need more to make a villain good. We are not asking them to write prize winning fiction. Just to get a villain who is easy to hate, has clear motives, is thematically cool and is tied with decent content.

To be fair, it was quite obvious for me from the start that Zooval was an anti-hero who would want to rewrite the cosmos for the greater good. Sylvanas basically states as much during the early cinematics with Anduin. I don't want to hate villains, I want villains that have a reason to be villains. "They are just eviiiil" is boring. Zooval post Sanctum was thematically cool designed, and Torghast would have been decent if they wouldn't have forced us to go to the shitty version of it twice a week. Both the Gauntled and the Twisting Corridors were super fun to do.