Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Ersula]

So you are unhappy you didn't get told everything but also unhappy when they are going to tell us more? Why keep consuming their product if they annoy you with everything they do?

Dude, half the people who use these forums aren't subscribed to WoW. Frankly, because talking about it is more fun than playing it.

If any of us actually preferred playing the game, the product they're supposed to be selling, we'd be playing it right now & this thread wouldn't have almost 3000 pages.

[Raetary]

What is this twitter space thing? Is it like Reddit AMA?

It's a live audio thing.

[Makabreska]

So you are unhappy you didn't get told everything but also unhappy when they are going to tell us more? Why keep consuming their product if they annoy you with everything they do?

I mean, he is one of the guys who somehow got offended by xpac and kept shitting on it. So I guess it's normal.

[wowrefugee]

https://twitter.com/Qwik/status/1519011969780502528

I guess we'll learn many new things

Excited to see what we learn - hope it’s not just a rehash of what we learned in the interviews.

Also lol of course it’s hosted by the people who have been blizzard defenders this entire time. They’re actually kind of toxic in their own way, but whatever.

[rhorle]

If any of us actually preferred playing the game, the product they're supposed to be selling, we'd be playing it right now & this thread wouldn't have almost 3000 pages.

So people can't play a game and discuss it? I'm not sure it is a good thing to brag about not being able to move on and let go though.

[therumblings]

We need to do a better job of ignoring the trolls in the next hype thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

As long as they keep this communication going I'm happy. I've been here before with how Shadowlands Alpha communication started off so promising so I am waiting a bit longer.

I just hope they do not try to encourage all this communication for preorders only and then when Release happens it will be complete silence until 10.2 when Ion steps out of the bunker in a safe media outlet that let them control the interview and forces us to Cut & Run for 11.0 due to community sentiment being that we're just stuck with nothing going on.

If this is a regular thing it would be a huge positive cause it is basically the return of the Q&A (without the high emphasis on the Q&A which peeves me) but at least its' something rather than the nothing we've been used to with WoW.

[Nymrohd]

So people can't play a game and discuss it? I'm not sure it is a good thing to brag about not being able to move on and let go though.

I usually have the game on a side window doing something. Maybe gathering. Maybe just exploring places.

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As long as they keep this communication going I'm happy. I've been here before with how Shadowlands Alpha communication started off so promising so I am waiting a bit longer.

I just hope they do not try to encourage all this communication for preorders only and then when Release happens it will be complete silence until 10.2 when Ion steps out of the bunker in a safe media outlet that let them control the interview and forces us to Cut & Run for 11.0 due to community sentiment being that we're just stuck with nothing going on.

If this is a regular thing it would be a huge positive cause it is basically the return of the Q&A (without the high emphasis on the Q&A which peeves me) but at least its' something rather than the nothing we've been used to with WoW.

I mean, is there a safer media outlet for them than T&E? And I do not mind their show but I thought they did poorly when they did Blizzcon.

[Ersula]

As long as they keep this communication going I'm happy. I've been here before with how Shadowlands Alpha communication started off so promising so I am waiting a bit longer.

Communicating is one thing, being receptive is another. Dragonflight looks great. Ion parading himself in front of the camera like he's a celebrity influencer? Awful.

So people can't play a game and discuss it? I'm not sure it is a good thing to brag about not being able to move on and let go though.

Well, you're averaging about 4 posts and hour for the past 2 weeks. How much gameplaying are you doing, exactly?

I mean, he is one of the guys who somehow got offended by xpac and kept shitting on it. So I guess it's normal.

Cope.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean, is there a safer media outlet for them than T&E? And I do not mind their show but I thought they did poorly when they did Blizzcon.

I mean it is the safest option for Blizzard, there's no one else that is as devoted to Blizzard as them.

Preach refuses to play Marketing for them which is fair enough considering everything.

There's just no one else available that would play by Blizzards' crazy PR Teams ruleset.

Then again honestly I never expected we would be in the position where we wouldn't have preorders available and we're stuck with this black hole waiting period with small scraps of new info being a possibility with each new interview but mostly its just going over the same stuff and the datamining being the main course in June.

[rhorle]

Well, you're averaging about 4 posts and hour for the past 2 weeks. How much gameplaying are you doing, exactly?

I'm still subscribed and still enjoy playing the game. Though I'm starting to lose interest because of the content droughts. I'll also admit I am only subscribed because I didn't cancel my 6-month because I occasionally buy tokens and forget what month I had to turn it off by. If the expansion doesn't launch this year I'll hopefully visit this site less because I plan I stopping my subscription.

The biggest problem with WoW and its community are those who hang on just can't let go. They let the negativity fester instead of just moving on from a form of entertainment they no longer enjoy or even played for a while. You say Dragonflight looks great but you still need to find something to be negative about so you hate on developers.

[Vakir]

Communicating is one thing, being receptive is another. Dragonflight looks great.

Weren't you vehemently shitting on it a week ago?

[Makabreska]

Weren't you vehemently shitting on it a week ago?

That he was. I guess some people don't know what they want.

[Xilurm]

Preach refuses to play Marketing for them which is fair enough considering everything.

There's just no one else available that would play by Blizzards' crazy PR Teams ruleset.

They should just learn to do it themselves. And not in the same way they did the presentation for the reveal. That didn't feel real.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

They should just learn to do it themselves. And not in the same way they did the presentation for the reveal. That didn't feel real.

We had Ion and Lore in front of a camera doing Q&A from 6.2 (WoD) until they ended said tradition with Shadowlands (9.0) launch. When they decided to throw away the good faith built up during the Shadowlands Alpha communication and decided to leave us in the standard "Everything's on fire and we are in our bunkers tuning knobs on Build Around Systems and Borrowed Power until Ion has to step out during the x.1 Patch lull waddling to a Safe outlet to say sorry again and x.2 soon".

(Although Shadowlands was even more egregious as Blizzards decision was to stay quiet and let the community formulate the option they would later take by Cutting & Running.)

Thankfully there's no more tuning knobs on said garbage on fire this time around and its' all about if they can fill the game "Finally" with Content after the Post-MoP Era went down this horrid direction just because of a Designer problem about how they could avoid the "Addition/Removals of Spells" that were standards every expansion which most people actually enjoyed and loved looking at MMO-Champion to see new class additions and changes. But, I mean Designer problems. Not even once.

P.N: This expansion is a dream for me we're on track away from Post-WoD design and back to where we were supposed to be after MoP. So, whatever lmao. Yeah, I don't trust these people at all and I am suspicious to everything they try to pull even if it is "good". But again, it is important to note the context here.

And yeah the PR/Marketing Team have been high for a while now. They should've received the feedback about 9.2 and then doing a Product Launch Reveal where 70% of the information required to sell to your audience is not available and you make the most normie people watching your stream think there's no content in your new product. I mean, it was dumb.
(I literally had to read interviews to be onboard with the product and was completely turned off until I read that the emptiness had a meaning on the philosophical state of the development team and their focus now on making actual game content rather than systems)

I personally think we're on a pathway to Blizzcon News in May though. I don't think we will have to struggle through these things again for a Expansion Reveal again, maybe for a few more Major Patch Reveals but at some point the dumbest Marketing Team in the Video Game Industry will get the hint. Hopefully.

[Nymrohd]

We had Ion and Lore in front of a camera doing Q&A from 6.2 (WoD) until they ended said tradition with Shadowlands (9.0) launch. When they decided to throw away the good faith built up during the Shadowlands Alpha communication and decided to leave us in the standard "Everything's on fire and we are in our bunkers tuning knobs on Build Around Systems and Borrowed Power until Ion has to step out during the x.1 Patch lull waddling to a Safe outlet to say sorry again and x.2 soon".

(Although Shadowlands was even more egregious as Blizzards decision was to stay quiet and let the community formulate the option they would later take by Cutting & Running.)

Thankfully there's no more tuning knobs on garbage on fire this time around and its' all about if they can fill the game "Finally" with Content after the Post-MoP Era went down this horrid direction just because of a Designer problem about how they could avoid the "Addition/Removals of Spells" that were standards every expansion which most people actually enjoyed and loved looking at MMO-Champion to see new class additions and changes. But, I mean Designer problems. Not even once.

Honestly I wonder if they should just try and hire someone who has a modicum of charisma just to do the announcements. Hearthstone always seems to have at least a few people in their team that can handle the announcement.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Honestly I wonder if they should just try and hire someone who has a modicum of charisma just to do the announcements. Hearthstone always seems to have at least a few people in their team that can handle the announcement.

I just don't get why they can't hire two Community Managers who have the training and practice to be front facing and do biregular livestreams with Q&As. It's been on my mind for quite a while since Ion and Lore made the decision to just "quit" the Q&A in Shadowlands. The whole "Senior people" have to do the Interviews instead of just having the people presenting in such Q&As going back and forth internally it just seems so rigid and "old structure" to me.

And I'm not really speaking of the Dev Interviews either. I never understood the necessity of the Game Director and Senior Community Manage Leader doing it in the first place. But, hey that's Blizzard with their weird mimic of Japanese Game Company structure. It's not like they take advantage of that like Yoshi-P does for FFXIV.

This new Twitter Space thing might just be a return of the Q&A in a way, but again we'll see what its future is. Its just a bit weird that they do this and make it just a podcast listening experience now. But hey, Blizzard gonna Blizzard rather than just being front facing.

[Nymrohd]

I just don't get why they can't hire two Community Managers who have the training and practice to be front facing and do biregular livestreams with Q&As. It's been on my mind for quite a while since Ion and Lore made the decision to just "quit" the Q&A in Shadowlands. The whole "Senior people" have to do the Interviews instead of just having the people presenting in such Q&As going back and forth internally it just seems so rigid and "old structure" to me.

And I'm not really speaking of the Dev Interviews either. I never understood the necessity of the Game Director and Senior Community Manage Leader doing it in the first place. But, hey that's Blizzard with their weird mimic of Japanese Game Company structure. It's not like they take advantage of that like Yoshi-P does for FFXIV.

This new Twitter Space thing might just be a return of the Q&A in a way, but again we'll see what its future is. Its just a bit weird that they do this and make it just a podcast listening experience now. But hey, Blizzard gonna Blizzard rather than just being front facing.

Not to mention how good an opportunity it is for them to show representation. Hearthstone hit a jackpot finding a transgender developer with enough charisma to do solid presentations

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Not to mention how good an opportunity it is for them to show representation. Hearthstone hit a jackpot finding a transgender developer with enough charisma to do solid presentations

That too is a curiosity. Again I think WoW has really needed a chill out point with some friendly dev faces that the audience meets on a regular basis on a livestream. We need some warmth rather than the distant coldness which fuels the anger in the audience. But yeah, I don't really expect the Marketing and PR Team to fully understand that issue about the WoW Community and why they are so surprised at the whole fanbase being so quick to be vitriolic these days.

And no the Reveal structure of 9.2 and 10.0 just feels inorganic and cold and everytime it leaves a info vacuum that is only filled by reading a bunch of interviews to sell you on the actual patch/expansion rather than marketing beats that actually just fell flat and made it seem like there's even less focus on content than the Post-MoP era.

At least with 9.2, WoWHead was on top of their game to make sure all info about 9.2 was attainable rather quickly after the Reveal led everything into chaos. But, yeah 10.0 has been a slowburn with interviews all over the place.

Not to speak of Laptopmag having a 6 part interview with just 1 part out so far and one of the parts is tied to Transmog which I am curious about.

[Ersula]

Weren't you vehemently shitting on it a week ago?

Shitting on the developers for not addressing the primary problems of shadowlands. Yeah. I don't have a problem with a WoTLK inspired continent or a dragon class; I have a problem with the developers attitude toward the game & audience. Engaging with the community & putting on the appearance of engaging with the community are two different things.