Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Makabreska]

Shitting on the developers for not addressing the primary problems of shadowlands. Yeah. I don't have a problem with a WoTLK inspired continent or a dragon class; I have a problem with the developers attitude toward the game & audience. Engaging with the community & putting on the appearance of engaging with the community are two different things.

And you base it only off of them not releasing Alpha or showing pictures of features. Did you consider it all may not be ready? Like, they just announced a podcast, hows is that "pretending" to engage?

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I mean it is important to note that this is just a first step and sadly there's been a lot of people playing off that the communication problems are solved again talking point with the Council (Which is extremely inactive and the amount of threads not tied to the Three Pillars is very limited. ). There's like a total of 25-35 responses on the Council and there's usually 1 every week quota.

We lost the long running Q&A without any explanation or reasonings given. We were forced to watch the narrative of the Shadowlands expansion go from a cool concept to a dead wasteland in which we had to watch everyone go "Cut & Run time, guys!" and then Ion stepped out of his bunker this time with a new publication since PCGamer grew hostile in Shadowlands when he did the same shtick with BFA.

Is this Twitter Space going to be a good start? Yes, but again we have no idea if this is reoccurring or if it has a future beyond this pilot episode.

As always I have to remind everyone that the Shadowland Alpha also had this first impression of Developers wanting to engage with the audience and then once launch happened it was complete silence, jobs done we got them preorders boys.

Time to go back into the bunker until 9.1 and do 2 Interviews before we peace out before Ion steps out of his bunker to reveal the x.2 and say Sorry for the second time.

Will history repeat itself for a third time, this time being lack of content being the clear issue? With Ion stepping out for 10.2 and saying Sorry again.

I mean hell we have no confidence that they will ship 3 Major Content Patches this expansion so far.

(Not to speak of I don't trust Ion about this expansion being far ahead at all. This is the most basic safe idea they could come up with while the internal side of the company is burning, WFH was active and the production pipeline was completely shattered. Again we're stuck on a 4 Zone Island with 2 Major Patch Islands again, great success!

Maybe it leads to a good 11.0 on EK and Kalimdor but it could also be Cosmos Squash again with a Genocidal White Man and his Space Marine Queen. The latter making me grind my teeth as we dodged the 10.0 Revamp and any future chance of it ever happening again. Outside of the copium about Azeroths Awakening being hinted as 11.0)

[Aeluron Lightsong]

And you base it only off of them not releasing Alpha or showing pictures of features. Did you consider it may not be ready?

Why bother engaging on someone who is on a constant thread of negativity.

[Makabreska]

Why bother engaging on someone who is on a constant thread of negativity.

Oh, it's fascinating how they are absolutely fuming over DF, mainly because of Drakebois.

[Vakir]

Shitting on the developers for not addressing the primary problems of shadowlands. Yeah. I don't have a problem with a WoTLK inspired continent or a dragon class; I have a problem with the developers attitude toward the game & audience. Engaging with the community & putting on the appearance of engaging with the community are two different things.

This is the forum rhetoric equivalent of tapdancing around the issue and then tripping and snapping your neck.

You were bitching and moaning about there not being enough content based on misleading and incomplete data like "4 zones is less than 5!" without looking at the context of the continent being freaking Northrend sized and making wild assumptions of scaling back. We all saw it.

[Ersula]

You were bitching and moaning about there not being enough content based on misleading and incomplete data like "4 zones is less than 5!" without looking at the context of the continent being freaking Northrend sized and making wild assumptions of scaling back. We all saw it.

I never said anything like that.

[Vakir]

I never said anything like that.

So you didn't whine about there not being enough content or that there wasn't enough presented for us.

'kay. This is pointless. At least everyone is aware you have no value in your voice.

[Revamp Man]

Ok we got answers about the reason why they look humanoid and why the dracthyr are only envoker

I’m ok with the lore

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

By all means, I do enjoy people who haven't even seen the zones arguing from that position of the scale of them for the Marketing Department as if anything trustworthy can be ascertained from this expansion so far. (Hint: 3 Major Patches doko?)

[rhorle]

Ok we got answers about the reason why they look humanoid and why the dracthyr are only envoker I’m ok with the lore

I really hope they have a Mass Effect easter egg in their story. Make them pick a red, blue, or green beam for something. It really is to perfect to not have a Mass Effect reference of some type.

[wowrefugee]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

It doesn't make me wonder at all considering they've told us its the biggest expansion continent they've ever made.

Legion had plenty of zones but each one was tiny.

[Revamp Man]

So we have a galakrond cult
A map without his bones
The creation of the dracthyr possibly happening before Neltharion fell

What if the dracthyr were made to fight against galakrond and his forces because Neltharion knew that the aspects weren’t enough and then he fell

[Makabreska]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

By all means, I do enjoy people who haven't even seen the zones arguing from that position of the scale of them for the Marketing Department as if anything trustworthy can be ascertained from this expansion so far. (Hint: 3 Major Patches doko?)

Makes you wonder exactly what, when it all is going to be bigger than Northrend? What's the significance of number 5?

[Fahrenheit]

Frankly, unless they say Dracthyr can be other classes I’m just not interested enough to resub. Would love to, the rest of everything I’ve seen looks nice, but I’ve been looking forward to a reptilian race for 17 years and we finally get it and it’s heals/ranged dps only… /puke.

[rhorle]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

Makes you wonder what? Does zone count matter if the zones are the size of 8 smaller ones? Northrend had 10 zones. One was PvP and one was barely used (Crystal Song). They have said that the Dragon Isles is similar to Northrend in size so does it the individual number matter?

[Niwes]

For most ppl here it’s maybe a good advice to read the Galakrond/Apsects novell

https://www.amazon.com/World-Warcraf...009036&sr=8-16

[Revamp Man]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

By all means, I do enjoy people who haven't even seen the zones arguing from that position of the scale of them for the Marketing Department as if anything trustworthy can be ascertained from this expansion so far. (Hint: 3 Major Patches doko?)

Ok let’s assume each new zone is larger than the ones in SL
Then they would need less content so fewer quests and treasures/rares
We don’t know if there are less

You have a medium pepperoni pizza and a small pepperoni pizza
You can’t deny the size difference even if the small pizza has one more slice

[Dracullus]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

By all means, I do enjoy people who haven't even seen the zones arguing from that position of the scale of them for the Marketing Department as if anything trustworthy can be ascertained from this expansion so far. (Hint: 3 Major Patches doko?)

They literally said Dragon Isles are bigger than Northend. No matter how you spin it.

Now let's wait to Alpha and check if it's truth or not, you don't have to trust their words.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Makes you wonder what? Does zone count matter if the zones are the size of 8 smaller ones? Northrend had 10 zones. One was PvP and one was barely used (Crystal Song). They have said that the Dragon Isles is similar to Northrend in size so does it the individual number matter?

Honestly, they've been on a steady reduction of content and shipping less and less product to the consumer. Soo, I don't really believe much in the 4 Zones identity nor that the sizes will outshine the concept of more zones than a zone with several biomes and paletes in 4 megazones.

Ok let’s assume each new zone is larger than the ones in SL
Then they would need less content so fewer quests and treasures/rares
We don’t know if there are less

You have a medium pepperoni pizza and a small pepperoni pizza
You can’t deny the size difference even if the small pizza has one more slice

Correct, but there's such a lack of knowledge on how they are going to fill the game with content now that they are free from the shackles of Borrowed Power and Build Around Systems and thats' what will be the most curious about these zones with what they will be filled with and whether that is significant enough to be good enough for endgame.

In many ways it depends on a lot of factors. Obviously I think more Zones is better than less zones solely because I think Megazones aren't going to be populated with anything interesting.

There's not going to be normal reputation grinds like we had in TBC in which the zone had reputation hubs. We're going to have Renown Reputations which are even more streamlined than the World Quest Reputations which will again be in-game as the World Quest system could fester on the zone creating a single purpose for its creation to serve the World Quests. Basically, the use case of larger zones is limited with the current design of the game after the Diablo 3 Team scurried off to the Legion Team and ruined everything about the World.

But yeah, again I just don't see it. This whole thing is the dumbest marketing point I've ever seen TBH. What are they filling the zones with and the only answer is "World Quest Nodes with the focus on places being to do those WQs as you zip around the map".

Anything immersion or interesting? Nope, not a chance. This is also something I expect to see with the Verticality aspect. Cool stuff in the Vertical space? Nope, just more WQ Nodes to do.

[Ersula]

4 Zones is still less than 5 though. No matter how you spin it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Considering the fact this is the least amount of zones, we've ever received in an expansion.

I think people pointed out they showed a little bit of a desert (bronze) zone in the preview, that isn't the 4 zones (or the Drakthyr starter zone) so that looks like a future zone, ala Tanaan or Korthia.

Other question is why did they design an entire zone just for the Dracthyr to level up 2 levels? Wouldn't it have made more sense to to do the introduction sequence in a phased version of the other zones?