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    Quote Originally Posted by JDBlou View Post
    That's because he's a far cry from the usual booming deep voice Warcraft villain (Deathwing, Arthas ,Grommash ,Illidan ,Kel'thuzad, N'zoth) so the change of pace is memorable.
    That's why Fish N'zoth is the best voice for him and should have kept it, it was a better fit for the most subtle and insidious Old God, the one who won through cunning not brute force and it was a real shame they just turned up the decibels and lost all the nuance.
    Yes, It is amazing how small details can change things for the better. Slightly off-topic but I was rewatching old reaction vids yesterday and one was about when Yoshi-P revelead the graphical updates. And mostly they showcased changes to lighting. Imagine that. No change to the models, no change to the textures, or anything. Just more lights and more realistic shadows. And shit looked amazing.
    Good voice acting can similarly elevate a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDBlou View Post
    Cool, that's a fallacious argument by the way, because I didn't discuss being a pawn, I was talking about their personalities or lack thereof. You didn't address the personality at all.
    Personality? What personality? What's there to say about his personality? He's a guy who sips wine like a villain and acts haughty and vainglorious all the time like half of the elves we have already seen (the other half are the tree hippies). Is there anything original or special to talk about?

    He looks good only because he's in an expansion with terrible villains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    It doesn't change the fact that in the end he was just a pawn for Zovaal. He was used as a tool to funnel all anima into the Maw and then thrown away once he outlived his usefulness. The Janitor, during one of the many insightful monologues he had, even dissed Denathrius, saying that he fulfilled his purpose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    At least Alleria is no one's pawn.
    Was he a pawn for Zovaal, or was Zovaal his pawn? Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Was he a pawn for Zovaal, or was Zovaal his pawn? Think about it.
    He was Zovaal's pawn. After his defeat, Zovaal stated that every soul has a purpose and that Denathrius fulfilled his. Denathrius' whole purpose was to provide the Maw with massive anima, which he did successfully, at which point Zovaal simply discarded him like that Toy Story meme about the guy who doesn't want to play with his toy anymore.

    And btw it's the same thing with Azshara. She thought all along that she was in control of the game until N'Zoth humbled her, by revealing that he was aware of her treacherous nature and that he was plotting and scheming to punish her.

    Perhaps you should ask yourself if Mal'ganis and the other Nathrezim truly serve their creator (Denathrius), or serve only themselves instead. Now they have control of Denathrius who is sealed inside the blade, wouldn't it be presumptuous to think that they'd still serve their creator? When he is powerless and sealed?

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    Pretty confident Dracthyr use an entirely new skeleton and base model.

    The incubus is only similar looking in certain poses and angles when not in motion because they both have digitigrade leg structure (female draenei also "look like" that skeleton if you pause them mid run, only so many ways to have a bipedal digitigrade humanoid jogging). If you actually look at the two side by side, the proportions, limb/digit lengths, hips and shoulder widths, number of joints in the feet, chest and abdominal sizes and heights.. basically everything is different even ignoring the neck/head/wings/tail being nothing alike. They don't share any animations, the dracthyr running is visibly brand new, their idles are totally different, their combat readies are totally different

    Don't think there's anything to suggest it's using the same skeleton, or even modified from the same one. It's actually super apparent they aren't the same if you look at anything but the couple framed stills of them running. Incubi are super stocky and short-legged, Dracthyr are lanky and very tall with long limbs.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    Alex definitely meant for Sylvanas to be an absolute cartoon of the kind she was in BFA. Even BTS, itself complete dross, had a version of Sylvanas incompatible with BFA and now contradicted by the new version where while the personality might mesh, the actions don't because the Bald Man wasn't invented yet. That Sylvanas would've been a raid boss in Afrasiabi's version is a given.

    Yeah, nix what I said about ZM, I can't argue with the details into it and I suspect the artificiality was decided on very early. What they had settled wasn't what the basic gist of the Jailer would be, i.e 'toppled artificial arbiter on the destination of souls with an LK ICC aesthetic' but what his character would actually be. Is he a schemer? A brute? An out of control robot? An idealist. Fuck knows. You can find every version of it, all of them underwritten as all fuck, fitting in with how they didn't even know what he'd look like until a few months before release.

    @Shadochi

    Yeah, this is one aspect I think that Alex would've 100% done better or even Golden if she were cut loose with it, since she can do bleak when called for, most recently Delaryn's death and Sylvanas's own brief description of torture in the Maw in the book. The Maw is on paper an absolute hellhole and the exposition to it is all in the game. But we never see any of it and the most evocative descriptions of the idea of torturing souls as a dispassionate trial and error factory line, like those logs on the experimented upon Night Elf are absent from the game. I think they purposefully pussied out after the reaction to Teldrassil.
    Regarding Afrasiabi and Sylvanas story arc, I honestly could have been satisfied with either villainous Sylvanas or pseudo redemption arc. The issue I have is that we didn't get a solid take on either of those arcs. Danuser and his team's take on the character is harmstrung by previous characterization and story elements. But Afrasiabi's Sylvanas in BfA was also, in my opinion, horribly frustrating and just doing things for the sake of doing them.
    If we either had gotten a good, compelling moustache twirlling villain Sylvanas, or a complex, Severance style storyline that's nuanced and comples that puts her on the path to redemption, I would have been super satisfied. As it stands neither were fullfilled to their potential, imo.
    Though I think the Severance style story that comes with two broken parts of yourself coming to terms with each other IS cool. And could have been greatly explored. It should have had more setup to not appear so tacked on. It should have had more story relating to it, instead of basically being reduced to a few minutes of a couple of cinematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    He was Zovaal's pawn. After his defeat, Zovaal stated that every soul has a purpose and that Denathrius fulfilled his. Denathrius' whole purpose was to provide the Maw with massive anima, which he did successfully, at which point Zovaal simply discarded him like that Toy Story meme about the guy who doesn't want to play with his toy anymore.

    And btw it's the same thing with Azshara. She thought all along that she was in control of the game until N'Zoth humbled her, by revealing that he was aware of her treacherous nature and that he was plotting and scheming to punish her.

    Perhaps you should ask yourself if Mal'ganis and the other Nathrezim truly serve their creator (Denathrius), or serve only themselves instead. Now they have control of Denathrius who is sealed inside the blade, wouldn't it be presumptuous to think that they'd still serve their creator? When he is powerless and sealed?
    Or was it Denathrius' plan all along? Muwahahhaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Or was it Denathrius' plan all along? Muwahahhaha!
    And he would of gotten away with it to if it weren't for those pesky mortals.
    #TeamLegion #UnderEarthofAzerothexpansion plz #Arathor4Alliance #TeamNoBlueHorde

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Honestly, they've been on a steady reduction of content and shipping less and less product to the consumer. Soo, I don't really believe much in the 4 Zones identity nor that the sizes will outshine the concept of more zones than a zone with several biomes and paletes in 4 megazones.
    as far as zones and questing goes this isn’t really the case. we tend to more or equivalent content with less zones when you compare the number of quest per zones.

    BFA 1400 or so quest leaving two zones out because there bloated by patch content.

    Stormsong 322
    https://www.wowhead.com/stormsong-valley

    drustvar 274 https://www.wowhead.com/drustvar#quests

    Nazmir has 396 quest. https://www.wowhead.com/nazmir

    vol'dun 408 https://www.wowhead.com/voldun

    Wrath 1500 or so quest leaving out one zone because of patch quest bloating the list.

    dragon blight has 301 https://www.wowhead.com/dragonblight

    zul drak 150 https://www.wowhead.com/zuldrak

    howling Fjord 255 https://www.wowhead.com/howling-fjord

    storm peaks 207 https://www.wowhead.com/the-storm-peaks.

    Grizzly hills 205
    https://www.wowhead.com/grizzly-hills

    Tundra 316
    https://www.wowhead.com/borean-tundra

    Basin 113
    https://www.wowhead.com/sholazar-basin

    Shadowlands. Has 1600 quest or so leaving out what ever few there are in the maw.

    Bastion. 412
    https://www.wowhead.com/bastion

    Weld 390
    https://www.wowhead.com/ardenweald

    revendreth 476
    https://www.wowhead.com/revendreth

    Mald 377
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    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    The twitter space Q&A is now life

    https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1DXxyDXaWoYJM?s=20

    #TEAMGIRAFFE

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    Thank you. I had no idea how to actually access this.

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    I wish they had gotten literally anyone other than Taliesin to host it. I can't stand the guy, bad vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    The twitter space Q&A is now life

    https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1DXxyDXaWoYJM?s=20
    Said anything exciting so far?
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexjimithing View Post
    I wish they had gotten literally anyone other than Taliesin to host it. I can't stand the guy, bad vibes.
    Why?

    /10char

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Said anything exciting so far?
    They've talked about alt friendliness, dragon riding/reps will be mostly account wide. Except in cases like if you unlock a ilvl300 helm from a reputation, that probably won't be available for alts right off the bat.

    Also confirmed they're planning on doing something similar to the creation catalyst, and no mission table for DF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexjimithing View Post
    I wish they had gotten literally anyone other than Taliesin to host it. I can't stand the guy, bad vibes.
    Taliesin is less cringe than Ion himself.

    They should keep his contact with the public to a minimum.

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    No mission table, and Ion says almost everything will be account-wide in Dragonflight.

    Sounds good to me.

    edit: Summary so far, notable thing to me:

    -The Dracthyr starting zone will be used for more than just a starting zone

    Yeah that's patch content then.
    Last edited by Kiivar86; 2022-04-27 at 04:26 PM.

  18. #54418
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    No mission table, and Ion says almost everything will be account-wide in Dragonflight.

    Sounds good to me.
    I liked the mission table but I get removing it- it wasn't really doing *that much*.

    Hell yeah on the account wide business.

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    "We want everyone to feel hope for the future, the future of the Dragon Isles".

    I wonder if that is an intentional bit of preprepared PR blurb, or if he came up with that on the spot, because that sounded very much like he was actually saying "Make players hopeful for the future of WoW".
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three Faced Goddess View Post
    Very true. I liked the Lich King, but I'm not going to deny that he was an evil fuck and that he committed atrocities. That said, liking darker/evil characters doesn't imply anything about you unless you are okay with their actions. Some of the Sylvanas stans on Twitter worry me more than a little.
    Sylvanas and Garrosh. Some have turned out to be terrible people but others just love to roleplay.

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