Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Nymrohd]

I was going to say that, but people would claim im being biased, despite so much of this happening, pretty sure i heard the reliquary(or whatever is called) will be the main thing there, the thing run by elves again

See that's the sad part. At least the explorer's league has representation from multiple Alliance races (well the fact that it came from Hearthstone helped). Reliquary is just Blood Elves and maybe some Nightborne (they had some Nightborne join in BfA).

[Raetary]

pretty sure i heard the reliquary(or whatever is called) will be the main thing there, the thing run by elves again

The reliquary is present because it's the hordes equivalent to the explorer's league, not because its elves.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly that would be fun, though who's leading the Dragonmaw these days anyway? If I remember right their last leader was so into Garrosh's pants she followed him through his heel turn and I'd honestly not be surprised if she took the entire rest of the clan with her.

Gorfax leads the Angermaw. Kind of confirmed since he has shown up in ceremonies that include leaders of the different subraces.

[Lady Atia]

See that's the sad part. At least the explorer's league has representation from multiple Alliance races (well the fact that it came from Hearthstone helped). Reliquary is just Blood Elves and maybe some Nightborne (they had some Nightborne join in BfA).

Tbf they can easily expand the reliquary similiar to the explorer's league which iirc was also basically a "dwarves faction" in the past?

[Nymrohd]

The reliquary is present because it's the hordes equivalent to the explorer's league, not because its elves.

But they did choose to make it just elves. Why not add more races across the years?

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Tbf they can easily expand the reliquary similiar to the explorer's league which iirc was also basically a "dwarves faction" in the past?

They can but hey have had multiple chances to do so in the past and didn't. Reliquary showed up as recently as BfA. And it did have new faces. Nightborne.

[Alanar]

No it's not? More customization is always good.

It is, the sillouette is overly used especially now with the visage using it again.

[Hugnomo]

Maybe Ion can ask him to not tell people to spit on other players?

I don't know. He hasn't been saying that in a long time so I guess not.
Asmongold may ask about aditional services and mounts being on the store, and voice his criticism that increasing microtransactions on a game you already pay a sub for + the price of expacs, is a heavy burden on players. Which is a sentiment I agree with and do hope Blizzard could commit to limit in any way.
Which is what the "/spit" emote was meant to be protesting.
It's not something I've personally ever done though, I think it's childish. Though I have to say that I don't share the degree to which some people take offense to it. It's an emote the game provides. Most interactions I have on WoW people say and do way worst things than that, unfortunately.
I'm for Blizzard being more strict on rude and harassing behavior in game, which seems like it's something they are going to be doing looking at last night's build "social contract".

[Kiivar86]

If Undead Nelves are another version of the race, I wonder if they would get a different song.

Also: doing all 3 raids with the 9.2.5 affix gives you the Slime Saber.

Well shit.

I really hate that allied races are mostly glorified skins. Blizzard really should start doing these types as skin/customization so they also don't have to do the added work of balancing new racials.

I figured that was the point with "Allied races", that they were essentially subraces/reskins, thus generally easier to create and so could give us a larger number of them.

[huth]

I figured that was the point with "Allied races", that they were essentially subraces/reskins, thus generally easier to create and so could give us a larger number of them.

It was basically Blizzard's take on subraces. The Allied Race model gave them a bit more freedom on what to do with them, like opposite faction.

[Greyfang]

It was basically Blizzard's take on subraces. The Allied Race model gave them a bit more freedom on what to do with them, like opposite faction.

I do wish however that the system was more streamlined. As it is, we have things like Lighforged or HM that are considered Allied Races and things like Wildhammer/High Elves that are more customization options. When in truth, there's not really a lot of difference between HM and Wildhammer compared to their main races. I'm all for more customization options, but as it stands, the system feels a bit sloppy.

[Futhark]

Wildhammer dwarves could in theory be Druids, which is an interesting option not currently available.
Also the heritage armor, and most likely amazing Gryphon AR mount.

Gryphonriding racial. Uses Dragonriding mechanics.

Stop. These are the best ideas that will never happen and it hurts me.

[Lady Atia]

I don't know. He hasn't been saying that in a long time so I guess not.
Asmongold may ask about aditional services and mounts being on the store, and voice his criticism that increasing microtransactions on a game you already pay a sub for + the price of expacs, is a heavy burden on players. Which is a sentiment I agree with and do hope Blizzard could commit to limit in any way.
Which is what the "/spit" emote was meant to be protesting.
It's not something I've personally ever done though, I think it's childish. Though I have to say that I don't share the degree to which some people take offense to it. It's an emote the game provides. Most interactions I have on WoW people say and do way worst things than that, unfortunately.
I'm for Blizzard being more strict on rude and harassing behavior in game, which seems like it's something they are going to be doing looking at last night's build "social contract".

I don't have any issue with microtransactions, I actually like them. That said, I would prefer something like the upcoming Diablo Immortal system - base game free to play with a cool seasonal battlepass that you pay for. The only people that hate on the store are the ones that want to brag with their "rewards".

[Hugnomo]

I don't have any issue with microtransactions, I actually like them. I would even prefer something like the upcoming Diablo Immortal system - base game free to play with a cool seasonal battlepass that you pay for. The only people that hate on the store are the ones that want to brag with their "rewards".

Well it's a valid position for you to have.
Many in the community feel differently. I certainly, very strongly feel differently myself.
Don't really accept the negative connotation that it's about "bragging". I don't even have anything to brag about in the game, I don't really do hard content. But for a lot of people, undermining the games rewards with ways for you to pay for them, or other similarly good/cool rewards, removes an incentive from engaging with the content at all. If you learn to play well and invest in your character, getting a reward for it feels gratifying. It's effort and payoff.
Especially in a game that's already incredibly expensive, taking into account years of subscriptions and box costs, it's plain corporate greed. Even if you just want to get these mounts with no effort, they should be available inside the established monetization of the game, instead of asking for additional revenue. Available to all with a paying subscription, instead of luxury items for those who can pay for them with real money.
I'd prefer for them to be rewards for content, but just handing them out to players is still better than further exploiting a heavily monetized game. To me.
Blizzard makes billions of dollars. Have been caught paying no taxes. Pay huge bonus packages to CEOs and shareholders. Predatory, increasing monetization of the game is just a cog in the machine of corporate greed. *Personaly* I could never defend it nor will I ever support it.
Has nothing to do with some toxic strawman show off. At least to me.

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Wildhammer dwarves could in theory be Druids, which is an interesting option not currently available.
Also the heritage armor, and most likely amazing Gryphon AR mount.

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Can we expect either of them to ask whether transmog restrictions will be loosened? Not really sure there are any other questions I really have beyond when to expect 9.2.5 or Alpha.

Hum I'm not sure. It's possible! I don't see it being a huge priority for either of them. Maybe I could see MrGM asking that. Asmongold does transmog competitions on his stream so maybe he'd ask that. But I'm really not sure.

[Raetary]

The only people that hate on the store are the ones that want to brag with their "rewards".

Ah yes, there can't possibly be any valid reason for hating on the store.
Absolutely none.

It's all just people wanting bragging rights.

[wowrefugee]

I personally find the store fine if its not something that clearly fits in with the expansion else where. Warlords was exceptionally bad about this.

Then they got wise and started adding what should be expansion mounts *prior* to the expansion, so that it wasn't as obvious.

I also don't think store items should be better than in-game items. The new transmog and mount animations, for example.

[Nymrohd]

I personally find the store fine if its not something that clearly fits in with the expansion else where. Warlords was exceptionally bad about this.

Then they got wise and started adding what should be expansion mounts *prior* to the expansion, so that it wasn't as obvious.

I also don't think store items should be better than in-game items. The new transmog and mount animations, for example.

Yeah only time I really hated the store was WoD. The most impressive mount models found in the game related to the WoD story were all in the shop.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Not a fan of the store but I have been given a decent argument that gives me pause and no it wasn't a player

[rhorle]

Ah yes, there can't possibly be any valid reason for hating on the store.
Absolutely none. It's all just people wanting bragging rights.

While bragging doesn't really have anything to do with it I will agree that there are no valid reasons to hate on the store. It hasn't shown a drop in quality offered in game. It hasn't been overly used. It is just an occasional mount or pet. With rarely a toy or transmog. They even give some away as a "loyalty bonus" for staying subscribed to the game.

It is entirely optional.

[wowrefugee]

. It hasn't shown a drop in quality offered in game.

What do you call it when they clearly are capable of making more advanced armor designs (latest transmog in store) but don't put that same effort into the ingame sets?

[Shadochi]

Wonder if we DF will have anywhere close to the number of mounts usable by every faction/class/race that SL had. I'm guessing no since Dragonriding is playing a big part in the expac, but they said regular mounts will still be in as DragonRiding is a limited system to Dragon Isles and regular mount flight will be available later.