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    You don't need a lore explanation for the player character to become any race/class combination. The player is the exception. Their choice doesn't need to be reflected or accommodated anywhere else in the lore. You can preserve a race's culture whilst giving the player more freedom.

    Their should be some exceptions where it is chronologically impossible. For example Demon Hunters and Evokers should be limited.
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  2. #54742
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Dayum, Holinka just dropped on MrGM's interview that all races can be rogues, mages and priests in 10.0 (including Tauren rogues) with more stuff coming moving forwards as they want to get rid of the race/class limitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blayze View Post
    Pretty sure the Draenei might have some hangups over being Warlocks, though.
    Yeah but Holinka made it pretty clear now that they are working towards every race having every class, in the end, they are going to prioritize gameplay over lore but he said they would make it clear ingame for Paladin and Warlock especially

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    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    Yeah but Holinka made it pretty clear now that they are working towards every race having every class, in the end, they are going to prioritize gameplay over lore but he said they would make it clear ingame for Paladin and Warlock especially
    Soon we will get Void Elf Paladins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Soon we will get Void Elf Paladins
    Honestly it never really made that much sense why they couldnt be every class a regular Belf could be. It's not like they are some obscure sect of Belves who live on a secluded island. They were literally regular Belves from Silvermoon less than a week before we met them.
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  6. #54746
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Honestly it never really made that much sense why they couldnt be every class a regular Belf could be. It's not like they are some obscure sect of Belves who live on a secluded island. They were literally regular Belves from Silvermoon less than a week before we met them.
    As of Legion there was lore that void-embedded creatures could not wield Light Magic without being hurt. See: Alleria and Turalyon. Similar reasoning to the old lore as to why Forsaken liked being Spriests/couldn't be paladins.

    Endgame for Forsaken Paladins is "they power through the pain" but it may be more difficult than that for Velfs as AFAIK it was implied that they would basically explode. And even if you are a Helf you are still using some degree of void magic, though they could establish that "Void Elf Paladins work with Alleria but won't give up their faith, so they are only the Helfs".

  7. #54747
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    You don't need a lore explanation for the player character to become any race/class combination. The player is the exception. Their choice doesn't need to be reflected or accommodated anywhere else in the lore. You can preserve a race's culture whilst giving the player more freedom.
    Maybe players wanna be more immersed? What's wrong with having that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Honestly it never really made that much sense why they couldnt be every class a regular Belf could be. It's not like they are some obscure sect of Belves who live on a secluded island. They were literally regular Belves from Silvermoon less than a week before we met them.
    Ye, cool. Now check what happened when Alleria came close to Sunwell. Void and Light kinda do not mix well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Ye, cool. Now check what Happened when Alleria came close to Sunwell.
    That is the sunwell specifically. There is no good reason given why that couldnt be corrupted.
    Velves being paladins is more on why there are seemingly no paladins present in that groups that wanted to help shore up Silvermoons defenses against Void attacks. I guess you could make the argument that they are all loyal Blood Knights, but still.

    I assume they made the choice because there is no current way for them to make a void themed paladin, otherwise I am sure they would have done so already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    That is the sunwell specifically. There is no good reason given why that couldnt be corrupted.
    Velves being paladins is more on why there are seemingly no paladins present in that groups that wanted to help shore up Silvermoons defenses against Void attacks. I guess you could make the argument that they are all loyal Blood Knights, but still.

    I assume they made the choice because there is no current way for them to make a void themed paladin, otherwise I am sure they would have done so already.
    Sure but right now messing with the Sunwell via the void is not a good idea so no VE Pallies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    As of Legion there was lore that void-embedded creatures could not wield Light Magic without being hurt. See: Alleria and Turalyon. Similar reasoning to the old lore as to why Forsaken liked being Spriests/couldn't be paladins.

    Endgame for Forsaken Paladins is "they power through the pain" but it may be more difficult than that for Velfs as AFAIK it was implied that they would basically explode. And even if you are a Helf you are still using some degree of void magic, though they could establish that "Void Elf Paladins work with Alleria but won't give up their faith, so they are only the Helfs".
    The rule is healing a void-embedded creature with holy magic causes pain, not casting holy spells. Ergo, why they can be priests. There are undead Paladins in the reanimated sect of the Scarlet crusade the devs have apparently forgotten about.

    The simpler answer is that Shaman, Druids & Paladins require extra racial assets & they didn't bother. At this point all we can hope for is like with those eyeglasses, a WoW rendering artists creates void elf chargers in their free time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The rule is healing a void-embedded creature with holy magic causes pain, not casting holy spells. Ergo, why they can be priests. There are undead Paladins in the reanimated sect of the Scarlet crusade the devs have apparently forgotten about.

    The simpler answer is that Shaman, Druids & Paladins require extra racial assets & they didn't bother.
    The light still causes issues for Forsaken priests even when it isnt applied directly to them. The presence of it causes their soul to be strengthened, which has the side-effect of making them more aware of how decrepit their body really is.
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  13. #54753
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Sure but right now messing with the Sunwell via the void is not a good idea so no VE Pallies.
    Elves don't need the Sunwell to be paladins tho. Arator never visited the Sunwell. The Silver Hand trains Humans and elves.

    Though there is that bit of dialog if you visit the Stormwind Chapel as a Void Elf they kindly ask you to leave. Its seems like for now they're just unconfortable with Void Elves.

  14. #54754
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    We do have a Tauren Watcher, I hope they did not forget Xarantaur
    Of course they forgot him. I can’t remember the last “deep cut” they followed up on, beyond memes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    That is the sunwell specifically. There is no good reason given why that couldnt be corrupted.
    Velves being paladins is more on why there are seemingly no paladins present in that groups that wanted to help shore up Silvermoons defenses against Void attacks. I guess you could make the argument that they are all loyal Blood Knights, but still.

    I assume they made the choice because there is no current way for them to make a void themed paladin, otherwise I am sure they would have done so already.
    Don’t Alleria and turyalion make little explosions when they touch each other because ones void and the others light?

    If I’m not mistaken that would be a pretty good reason to not have them be pallys.
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    While they may be working toward the whole all races/all classes thing, I still suspect maybe not all classes will be available in the long run. Specifically those that require some additional things, like paladins (racial-class mount), shaman (totems), and druids (racial forms).

    But who knows.

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    Lol.

    It's obvious why Void elf Paladins are not a thing yet.

    No, it has nothing to do with "lore"; because Blizzard has no problem retconning things, and furthermore we already have example of Void Paladins serving the Twilight's Hammer.

    It simply has to do with the fact that each Paladin has a unique racial mount that would have to be created for every new race that gets Paladin, meanwhile Rogue, Mage, and Priest have nothing unique that has to be designed for every new race.

    Since modern Blizzard cuts costs everywhere they can, they're not thrilled to have to make special paladin mounts for Night elves, Worgen, Trolls, Void elves, Nightborne, etc.
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    In thinking about it. There really isnt a reason for Velf paladins to not be a thing. You can already look like a regular High Elf, so there is a clear niche for Velf Paladins to slot into, similar to how Spriests are a thing are the reason you can have Velf Priests.

    Just make Velf Paladins and say that any Velf with voidtinged skin is non-canon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    we already have example of Void Paladins serving the Twilight's Hammer
    this doesn’t really count as paladins as they don’t use the light in any way which is how wow defines them even if it’s from different sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    In thinking about it. There really isnt a reason for Velf paladins to not be a thing. You can already look like a regular High Elf, so there is a clear niche for Velf Paladins to slot into, similar to how Spriests are a thing are the reason you can have Velf Priests.

    Just make Velf Paladins and say that any Velf with voidtinged skin is non-canon.
    There absolutely is a way to make the Story work. People here just lack imagination.

    A Light Naaru was drained to empower Sin'dorei warriors and turn them into Holy paladins. There's no reason why a Void Naaru cannot be drained to achieve a similar result with Ren'dorei warriors, turning them into paladins of Darkness instead.

    "Paladin" as a term also never had a Religious connotation, the term was coined to refer to Charlemagne's court. So something like "Shadow Paladin" is absolutely not an oxymoron or some kind of inconsistency and, indeed, we have Twilight Paladins in the game:

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    this doesn’t really count as paladins as they don’t use the light in any way which is how wow defines them even if it’s from different sources.
    They literally use the Light:

    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

    Last I checked, "Divine Storm", "Retribution Aura", and "Hammer of Wrath" are Light spells used by Light Paladins. But, since we are talking about something the Void elves would gain, I'm sure you'll spin it around and say that it doesn't count for reasons (because you hate Void elves).
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