Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There absolutely is a way to make the Story work. People here just lack imagination.

A Light Naaru was drained to empower Sin'dorei warriors and turn them into Holy paladins. There's no reason why a Void Naaru cannot be drained to achieve a similar result with Ren'dorei warriors, turning them into paladins of Darkness instead.

"Paladin" as a term also never had a Religious connotation, the term was coined to refer to Charlemagne's court. So something like "Shadow Paladin" is absolutely not an oxymoron or some kind of inconsistency and, indeed, we have Twilight Paladins in the game:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator



They literally use the Light:

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twilight_Vindicator

Last I checked, "Divine Storm", "Retribution Aura", and "Hammer of Wrath" are Light spells used by Light Paladins. But, since we are talking about something the Void elves would gain, I'm sure you'll spin it around and say that it doesn't count for reasons (because you hate Void elves).

Huh I stand corrected then I had no idea this mob existed and thought you were asking about various other mobs that use purple paladin themed twilight spells.

[Khaza-R]

I doubt we will get it but hopefully them holding on Warlocks means we might see some uniqueness added to those combos.

[Ersula]

Huh I stand corrected then I had no idea this mob existed and thought you were asking about various other mobs that use purple paladin themed twilight spells.

Wanting to be goth but not liking Priest #JustHealerProblems

[Varodoc]

It is funny how some people act like Light and Void possibly cannot mingle, and cite the example of the Sunwell (different situation) and Alleria and Turalyon causing pain to one another (another different situation). However, we have seen every other "opposite" mingle with each other:

- Death and Life mingled in Ardenweald. From the death of the Natural Gods comes their rebirth in a cycle. This duality is represented by the divine sisters Elune and Winter Queen. Elune is a being of Life who nurtures mortals, while the Winter Queen is a being of Death who revives the Wild Gods.

- Fel and Order mingled in Sargeras. A being of order and logic was twisted and corrupted into becoming a being of pure insanity, chaos, and destruction.

We even have an example of the Light and Void mingling: The Naaru themselves. The cycle of the Naaru, when a Naaru dies, the being of pure Light enters into a twisted state, becoming a being of pure Void energy. Like two sides of the same coin, Light and Void are connected, one cannot exist without the other.

But apparently the idea of a "Void elf Paladin" is too foreign to think of when the highest beings of the Light Pantheon we have seen so far literally turn into Void beings... and their creator, Elune, who created the Light Naaru, is also associated with the Shadows of the moon, the Darkness of night.

But perhaps it should also be noted that "Paladins" needn't wield the Light. For instance, last I checked, there's no proof that Zandalari Paladins wield the Light STORYWISE. They draw their powers from Rezan, the King of Loa, a being associated with the domain of Life, not from the Naaru and the Light.

[Kiivar86]

Make the game more like classic maybe? Who was the previous executive producer?

Honestly I'm not quite sure.

John Hight seems to have been one as of late last year. J. Allen Brack sometime before that.

[Xilurm]

Honestly I'm not quite sure.

John Hight seems to have been one as of late last year. J. Allen Brack sometime before that.

Yeah so, she went from Executive Produce in the studio that was making Everquest II to Blizzard and was Producer for Classic.

John Hight was on the announcement vid and he really seemed like he was super uninterested in everything that was happening.

So I supposed this can only be a good thing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Honestly I'm not quite sure.

John Hight seems to have been one as of late last year. J. Allen Brack sometime before that.

I don't think thats really the case honestly, some things in classic just don't work anymore. Cynically it might be for PR but again I got no evidence so...could be very benign.


TLDR: It could mean nothing malicious or anything like that, so don't need to overthink it like me >_>

[Makabreska]

Second interview is going on atm.

[Prenderghast]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

[therumblings]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

Seems like it. Also confirmed they get their own racials.

[Eurhetemec]

Not sure what impact, if any, this may make on the game but Holly Longdale is now the Executive Producer for the game.

EPs don't necessarily mean much, but if she has any impact it seems likely to be positive given her experience in the industry and that she's genuinely keen on MMORPGs, including older ones.

[Sondrelk]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

Bit of a shame we lose out on a racial mount everyone can use like how all the other ones work, but I guess it's a fair trade to actually having functional wings.
I really hope their Dragonriding racial could scale with regular Dragonriding though, seems a bit annoying to only have it useful for a brief moment before proper Dragonriding takes over, and unless it's useable in raids or whatever it seems far from a broken mechanic.

[Marlamin]

Mildly interesting, Ion was talking about doing something along the lines of master loot (but not master loot) and didn't "want to promise that any of that work can get done in the next few months". Might be reading a bit too much into that, but that's interesting wording if that implies it won't be ready for 10.0 in a few months.

Not sure what the widely accepted American definition of "few" is but in my definition that feels like it at least does imply 10.0 pre-patch this year, seeing few wouldn't be "in 8 months" .

[therumblings]

Mildly interesting, Ion was talking about doing something along the lines of master loot (but not master loot) and didn't "want to promise that any of that work can get done in the next few months". Might be reading a bit too much into that, but that's interesting wording if that implies it won't be ready for 10.0 in a few months.

Not sure what the widely accepted American definition of "few" is but in my definition that feels like it at least does imply 10.0 pre-patch this year, seeing few wouldn't be "in 8 months" .

Nice catch, 10.0 in 2022 might be possible.

[Sondrelk]

Mildly interesting, Ion was talking about doing something along the lines of master loot (but not master loot) and didn't "want to promise that any of that work can get done in the next few months". Might be reading a bit too much into that, but that's interesting wording if that implies it won't be ready for 10.0 in a few months.

Not sure what the widely accepted American definition of "few" is but in my definition that feels like it at least does imply 10.0 pre-patch this year, seeing few wouldn't be "in 8 months" .

Could also mean not ready for 10.0 testing within the next few months.
Now whether that means not in Alpha, Beta, or even the expansion being tested seems a bit fuzzy.
Conversely maybe he meant that Alpha will start soon, but whatever the new loot system is won't be testable until Beta begins.

[Marlamin]

Could also mean not ready for 10.0 testing within the next few months.
Now whether that means not in Alpha, Beta, or even the expansion being tested seems a bit fuzzy.
Conversely maybe he meant that Alpha will start soon, but whatever the new loot system is won't be testable until Beta begins.

It smellt more along the lines of it not being in the expansion on launch at least, but yeah, that's definitely possible.

[Sondrelk]

Seems like encrypted stuff is the way forward for storytelling in WoW. At least for raid bosses.

[Prenderghast]

Bit of a shame we lose out on a racial mount everyone can use like how all the other ones work, but I guess it's a fair trade to actually having functional wings.

I wouldn't be surprised if they went the Worgen route and added some sort of "token mount", like a recolor of some other Dragon Isles mount, to serve that purpose. Worgen were released with the Running Wild racial and no racial mount, with Blizzard adding the Mountain Horse and Swift Mountain Horse mounts to a Gilneas vendor 3 patches after release to throw a bone to us mount collectors. The same might not apply here since Dracthyr can be both Alliance and Horde - unlike with Worgen, their addition doesn't create an imbalance of mounts available to Alliance collectors vs. Horde collectors; both sides would just not get any new mount.

That being said, even as a mount collector, I'd be willing to forego the addition of a new racial mount if it means we get full flying with the Dracthyr's wings.

[Sondrelk]

I wouldn't be surprised if they went the Worgen route and added some sort of "token mount", like a recolor of some other Dragon Isles mount, to serve that purpose. Worgen were released with the Running Wild racial and no racial mount, with Blizzard adding the Mountain Horse and Swift Mountain Horse mounts to a Gilneas vendor 3 patches after release to throw a bone to us mount collectors. The same might not apply here since Dracthyr can be both Alliance and Horde - unlike with Worgen, their addition doesn't create an imbalance of mounts available to Alliance collectors vs. Horde collectors; both sides would just not get any new mount.

That being said, even as a mount collector, I'd be willing to forego the addition of a new racial mount if it means we get full flying with the Dracthyr's wings.

I am not sure they would. The Worgen horses seemed more like a way to placate the cries of the blatant Horde favouritism in Cata, what with only Horde having a proper intro to Twilight Highlands, or perhaps more importantly only Goblins getting an actual racial mount.

Dracthyr are neutral, so I doubt there is much reason to add much stuff to them.

[Nightshade711]

So in the MrGM interview Brian Holinka said that Dracthyr are their own racial mount. Ion had mentioned that Dracthyr will get a basic version of Dragonriding as a baseline racial, but does this mean that they'll also have traditional-flying as a mount option with their own wings? That'll be great if so.

I am hoping they get traditional flying with their wings in old content. They’ll 100% have the animations for it to be possible.
Especially since there’s that period between the prepatch launch and the expansion launch where we would have to use traditional flying anyways.